End Of Days Hysteria: Does It Reflect Well On Our Witness?

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End Of Days Hysteria: Does It Reflect Well On Our Witness?

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I am a Futurist, which means I'm a believer that the Biblical Day of the Lord will eventually be fulfilled. But do we do others a service by teaching it could come tomorrow night?

Every few years some new hysteria gains traction about how the end is at hand. The recent attacks on Iranian nuclear facilities, and how it would soon start WWIII. Before that the video of Donald Trump setting up a golden idol of himself in Gaza, and before that how Barak Obama would ascend to the pinnacle of world politics as leader of the UN. So much nonsense, and the next thing will be as well.

Does it truly help our witness to tell the world "the end is nigh" when it isn't? I ask because I see so many make this mistake. In our over-zealousness, we read too much into current events and then go out to tell everyone the Day of the Lord is at hand with little actual Biblical support to show for it.

But do we do others a favor when we proclaim what turns out not to be true?
 
To continue, in the years leading up to it, Harold Camping convinced multitudes the return was coming in May of 2011. This like other predictions before it proved to be inaccurate, and even now we've got people setting dates for 2032 to coincide with the appearance of an asteroid. I have personally seen others on the forums posting that the end is coming next year, based on calculations about when the six thousand years will end and the thousand year millennial reign of Christ will begin.

Sure people get all gunned up and "believe" for awhile, and some even sell their property and quit their jobs, but what about the aftermath when such people prove themselves deluded, or sincerely misguided at best?


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I think people go overboard with the end times hype and I have seen over and over again people saying it is near or the rapture is close only to be proven wrong each time yet they still say it and people flock to them as if they have the truth.

I have seen people do all the things you posted about and this one women sold all her belongings and stored up food to last years back in 2011 I can only imagine how she must feel with how nothing worked out for her in this
 
I think people go overboard with the end times hype and I have seen over and over again people saying it is near or the rapture is close only to be proven wrong each time yet they still say it and people flock to them as if they have the truth.

I have seen people do all the things you posted about and this one women sold all her belongings and stored up food to last years back in 2011 I can only imagine how she must feel with how nothing worked out for her in this

Yeah. What bothers me is when close friends buy it. But we all have our own growing to do, I suppose.

When I have some time, I'll go through and list some of scriptural reasons for why it cannot be happening tomorrow afternoon. It's kinda why I wanted to create this thread.

Thanks for responding. :thm
 
To continue, in the years leading up to it, Harold Camping convinced multitudes the return was coming in May of 2011. This like other predictions before it proved to be inaccurate, and even now we've got people setting dates for 2032 to coincide with the appearance of an asteroid. I have personally seen others on the forums posting that the end is coming next year, based on calculations about when the six thousand years will end and the thousand year millennial reign of Christ will begin.

Sure people get all gunned up and "believe" for awhile, and some even sell their property and quit their jobs, but what about the aftermath when such people prove themselves deluded, or sincerely misguided at best?


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Okechobee, I wonder what that county thinks of him now, as that is where he lived and started
 
Yeah. What bothers me is when close friends buy it. But we all have our own growing to do, I suppose.

When I have some time, I'll go through and list some of scriptural reasons for why it cannot be happening tomorrow afternoon. It's kinda why I wanted to create this thread.

Thanks for responding. :thm
Yes I can see how that would be frustrating and yeah I would love to see the scriptural evidence of why you believe it cannot be soon I believe in clear cut scriptural evidence
 
Yes I can see how that would be frustrating and yeah I would love to see the scriptural evidence of why you believe it cannot be soon I believe in clear cut scriptural evidence

Clear cut? If it were clear cut there wouldn't be so much confusion, LoL, but let me start with a few that strongly suggest it.

1. The false church - headed by Rome - will return to murdering its spiritual opponents, something we are still a ways away from in my opinion. And before I post the passage, I am not Anti-Catholic and that's not where my interpretations come from. They are based on discernment of what the passages in question are actually referring to.

3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. (Revelation 17:3-6)

Now, some might say this is a reference to when the Catholic Church used to murder its spiritual opponents, but that does not fit the context. The verb here is present tense not past tense, and literal reads, "I saw the woman (present tense) drinking from the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus."

To get around this, the argument has to be made that the mother of the harlots is not the false church, an ecumenical group of mainline denominations headed by the Vatican. But modern prophecy suggests it will be, and I can add that for you soon. It fits however. God will say to His people in that day, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues." This means there will be Christians incorporated into the spiritual whore who will eventually have to come out of her, or they will receive her judgments with her. I believe there are many good and well-meaning Christians who are currently Catholics, but people like this will eventually have to come out of her after her sins become too great.

Another thing that fits is where it says, 2 "And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, 'Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!'"

These are references to the false church being infested with demonic spirits, and there has been mounting evidence that Satanists have infiltrated the Vatican and conduct child sacrifice there. I can post some things on this as well. Again, does it mean all Catholics are evil? No, and most don't believe it's possible whereas others say it doesn't mean the church as a whole is corrupted, and that evil will be ferreted out. What it does mean, however, is that they have been infiltrated, and the moves they make going forward will be increasingly where the Devil wants to take things, because - unbeknownst to the public - things are not what they seem behind the scenes.

Another thing that corresponds well is that her judgment will come in one hour - and she will burn with such intensity that ships will stay far from port and see her burning 9 "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning,
10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.' 11 And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore... 17 For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.' Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning" (Revelation 18:9-10, 17-18).

Many argue Jerusalem is the great whore, but Jerusalem is not a port city. Rome however is. It was a major port city in ancient times and is still a major port city today. And the Catholic Church is regarded as enemy by many of the more militant Islamic countries, who are still clearly still working towards the day when they have nuclear capabilities. This passage suggests they will eventually have them, and in the case of the city of Rome, they will one day burn her with fire, and her destruction will come in literally one hour. A nuclear explosion would also cause ships to want to stay clear away from her due to the radiation fallout.

As for the timing of this event, it appears it may coincide with when the Islamic Antichrist moves to exterminate the Jewish race, for there is an Islamic prophecy that suggests the Romans will attempt to circumvent their extinction, and they will be destroyed as well as a result.

 
I am a Futurist, which means I'm a believer that the Biblical Day of the Lord will eventually be fulfilled. But do we do others a service by teaching it could come tomorrow night?
I think people go overboard with the end times hype and I have seen over and over again people saying it is near or the rapture is close only to be proven wrong each time yet they still say it and people flock to them as if they have the truth.

The "Day of the Lord " and the "Rapture" are two different events, correct ? Hidden In Him
 
Clear cut? If it were clear cut there wouldn't be so much confusion, LoL, but let me start with a few that strongly suggest it.

1. The false church - headed by Rome - will return to murdering its spiritual opponents, something we are still a ways away from in my opinion. And before I post the passage, I am not Anti-Catholic and that's not where my interpretations come from. They are based on discernment of what the passages in question are actually referring to.

3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. (Revelation 17:3-6)

Now, some might say this is a reference to when the Catholic Church used to murder its spiritual opponents, but that does not fit the context. The verb here is present tense not past tense, and literal reads, "I saw the woman (present tense) drinking from the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus."

To get around this, the argument has to be made that the mother of the harlots is not the false church, an ecumenical group of mainline denominations headed by the Vatican. But modern prophecy suggests it will be, and I can add that for you soon. It fits however. God will say to His people in that day, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues." This means there will be Christians incorporated into the spiritual whore who will eventually have to come out of her, or they will receive her judgments with her. I believe there are many good and well-meaning Christians who are currently Catholics, but people like this will eventually have to come out of her after her sins become too great.

Another thing that fits is where it says, 2 "And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, 'Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!'"

These are references to the false church being infested with demonic spirits, and there has been mounting evidence that Satanists have infiltrated the Vatican and conduct child sacrifice there. I can post some things on this as well. Again, does it mean all Catholics are evil? No, and most don't believe it's possible whereas others say it doesn't mean the church as a whole is corrupted, and that evil will be ferreted out. What it does mean, however, is that they have been infiltrated, and the moves they make going forward will be increasingly where the Devil wants to take things, because - unbeknownst to the public - things are not what they seem behind the scenes.

Another thing that corresponds well is that her judgment will come in one hour - and she will burn with such intensity that ships will stay far from port and see her burning 9 "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning,
10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.' 11 And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore... 17 For in one hour such great riches came to nothing.' Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning" (Revelation 18:9-10, 17-18).

Many argue Jerusalem is the great whore, but Jerusalem is not a port city. Rome however is. It was a major port city in ancient times and is still a major port city today. And the Catholic Church is regarded as enemy by many of the more militant Islamic countries, who are still clearly still working towards the day when they have nuclear capabilities. This passage suggests they will eventually have them, and in the case of the city of Rome, they will one day burn her with fire, and her destruction will come in literally one hour. A nuclear explosion would also cause ships to want to stay clear away from her due to the radiation fallout.

As for the timing of this event, it appears it may coincide with when the Islamic Antichrist moves to exterminate the Jewish race, for there is an Islamic prophecy that suggests the Romans will attempt to circumvent their extinction, and they will be destroyed as well as a result.

This is interesting and I had no clue about the vatican being infiltrated however doesn't this all rely heavily on interpretation? as symbolic as it is I would say yes but I will re read it and ponder on it because you make some good points
 
The "Day of the Lord " and the "Rapture" are two different events, correct ? Hidden In Him

Yes, but they are associated. The rapture will be one of a whole host of things that take place on "the Day of the Lord." It will involve the fulfillment of dozens of both Old and New Testament prophecies.
 
This is interesting and I had no clue about the vatican being infiltrated however doesn't this all rely heavily on interpretation?

All of it does, Blain. The question is which interpretations make the most sense. Like I was saying, many are for Jerusalem based on a few scriptures, but there are problems with it. The present tense verb would have the Jews killing Christians again before the return, and I just don't see it. The days when they counted Christians to be a threat were 2,000 years ago. The Catholics were still martyring Christians as of only about 400 or so years ago, and under the right circumstances I could actually see them return to doing it again.
 
All of it does, Blain. The question is which interpretations make the most sense. Like I was saying, many are for Jerusalem based on a few scriptures, but there are problems with it. The present tense verb would have the Jews killing Christians again before the return, and I just don't see it. The days when they counted Christians to be a threat were 2,000 years ago. The Catholics were still martyring Christians as of only about 400 or so years ago, and under the right circumstances I could actually see them return to doing it again.

300 it was done up to the revolutionary war ..
 
All of it does, Blain. The question is which interpretations make the most sense. Like I was saying, many are for Jerusalem based on a few scriptures, but there are problems with it. The present tense verb would have the Jews killing Christians again before the return, and I just don't see it. The days when they counted Christians to be a threat were 2,000 years ago. The Catholics were still martyring Christians as of only about 400 or so years ago, and under the right circumstances I could actually see them return to doing it again.
Well I would have to say that it is interesting to say the least but since it relies so heavily on interpretation I cannot say either way. I suppose if one was to interpret the meaning we would have to try to see it from John's point of view the one who wrote it

Because one could argue that what he saw was indeed future tense but how far into the future though? perhaps I am out of my league on this one I would have to do some major research to affirm or deny any of it.
 
I suppose if one was to interpret the meaning we would have to try to see it from John's point of view the one who wrote it

Well actually it was the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit who wrote it. John just dictated it : ) But the reason I point that out is because the same Holy Spirit abides within us, and Jesus said He would lead us into all truth...

There are several more points I need to add to this, btw, and it may become a very long thread, so don't come to any conclusions just yet. This is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak. :thm
 
Well actually it was the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit who wrote it. John just dictated it : ) But the reason I point that out is because the same Holy Spirit abides within us, and Jesus said He would lead us into all truth...

There are several more points I need to add to this, btw, and it may become a very long thread, so don't come to any conclusions just yet. This is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak. :thm
True your right about the author and I look forward to seeing how the thread goes, just to warn you though my eyes cannot handle super long posts it strains them to much so if you have one in mind could you make it into several parts?
 
True your right about the author and I look forward to seeing how the thread goes, just to warn you though my eyes cannot handle super long posts it strains them to much so if you have one in mind could you make it into several parts?

I try to do this normally, Blain. Like with everything I write. Even if it's a Bible study I tend to break them up into sections. But yeah, I'll just present things in chunks as much as possible. :thm
 
Just like adrenaline is a natural drug, so is sensationalism and hype. Years ago the newspaper boy would sit out on the city street and shout, "Extra, extra, read all about it!" It didn't hurt that he made the headlines sound like the world was ending, or a world war was about to start.

We are warned, however, not to get over-excited and create fear, anxiety, or apprehension. We are to try to instigate peace and trust in God.

Yes, there are times God has given us adrenaline to get across a difficult finish line. But we are to watch, be careful, and discern between one thing and another thing.

Predicting an any-moment Rapture of the Church is, in my opinion, in this category. We are always to watch for Christ's Coming and to always be ready. But that does not mean we cannot lay plans for tomorrow, settle down, read a book, or go to sleep, anticipating future endeavors. It does not mean we cannot pray about things God has put on our heart to do.

But this debate, over Dispensationalism, causes a lot of problems. I just have to say my peace and be done with it. No offence to my Dispensationalist friends out there!
 
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