The Jehovah’s Witnesses Teach Jesus is Mighty God

You have been wanting to make jesus a god,,,,,,,,,,,,,, .and so you have it
I am not making Jesus a god, but that He is God according to the below scriptures found in the KJV and also in the NWT. You can refute all theses below scriptures because JW's do not believe in the Trinity/Deity of Christ Jesus, even though these scriptures are also in the NWT.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8
 
1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it.

''and the Word was with God,'' we know who the Word is , he is Jesus .
Not Jesus, but the pre-incarnate Son. Jesus in the incarnate Son of God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Looking at the first clause, "In the beginning" is clearly a reference to Gen 1:1. John’s readers would have expected “God” next, but instead see “was the Word.” It is significant that God created by speaking and here John says that the Word was in the beginning “with God” yet also, in some way, “was God.” He then states in verse 3 that the Word was involved in the creation of all that came into being. The word "was" is the Greek, en, which is a form of eimi (I Am), and speaks of continuous action in the past; that is, absolute preexistence before any creation. What that means is that when the beginning began, the Word was already in existence, and hence, there was never a time when he did not exist. The very same applies to the Father, who has absolute preexistence.

In the second clause, "and the Word was with God," it is the Greek pros that is translated as "with." But it isn't merely speaking of being together or near. It is in the accusative and expresses “direction towards,” as in relationship and communion, implying intimacy. It is important to note here that in the Greek the article is present, so it literally reads, "the Word was with [the] God." So, God is a reference to someone other than the Word, at a minimum it is a reference to the Father.

When it comes to the last clause, "the Word was God," it is significant that "God" doesn't have the article in the Greek, as it did in the preceding clause. If the article had been present then "Word" and "God" become interchangeable— they would be one and the same—which is the error of Modalism/Oneness theology. But this whole passage is about the logos, who the logos is, not who God is, so John purposely doesn't use the article to avoid equating the two words. It also cannot be "a god," since God himself says he is the only one and there never will be another. Therefore, it can only have a qualitative meaning, that is, that the Word was divine in nature, or deity. However, since there is only one God, it is rightly translated as "the Word was God."

As part of the context we must also consider verses 2 and 3:

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

We see a repeat of verse 1 with the use of en, pros, and God with the article, reaffirming the timeless preexistence of the Word who was in active, close communion with the Father.

Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Simple, straightforward logic tells us that since "all things were made through" the Word, and that "without him was not any thing made that was made," it necessarily follows that the Word is not something that was made (see also 1 Cor 8:6 and Col 1:16-17). That is, there never was a time when the Word did not exist, which clearly affirms what was said in the two preceding verses.

Further, if we look at what God says about creation, we see that he alone created everything:

Isa 42:5 Thus says God, the LORD, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it:

Isa 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,

Isa 45:12 I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.
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Isa 45:18 For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the LORD, and there is no other.

Isa 48:13 My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.

Jer 10:12 But God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.

(All ESV.)

Yahweh says that he "alone stretched out the heavens" and "spread out the earth by [himself]." Yet, John and Paul both say that everything that ever was created, came into being through the Son. More than that, we need to look at what the writer of Hebrews says:

8 But about the Son, he says . . .
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10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.” (NWT)

The Father says that the Son was the one who did it all. More than that, the Father calls him "Lord"! And still more than that, this is a quote from Psalm 102:25-27:

25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end. (NWT)

But we know that this is a Psalm speaking to and of God.

Why does the NWT contradict itself on a core issue? First, as I pointed out previously, "other" is falsely inserted four times into Col. 1:16-17, changing the meaning of what is said and contradicting John 1:3 and 1 Cor. 8:6. Now, we not only see that God says he alone created everything, which contradicts John 1:3, 1 Cor. 8:6, and Col. 1:16-17, we see the Father saying that it was the Son who is referred to in Psalm 102:25-27.

What does this all tell us? It can only mean that the Son is also Yahweh, that he is also truly God, but that he isn't the Father.

something of what we know of him is that he is the son of God. he ,Jesus being the ''son '' is something that should be burned into your psyche to then know that a son , be it created or even procreated, was not, could not decide if he could come into existence. that was in fact an act of God the Father.
why it is that it can't be Comprehended ?
What is easy to comprehend is that we know that sons are always of the same nature as their fathers. It cannot be otherwise. If the Father is truly God and has existed for all eternity, then the Son, being of the same nature, must also have necessarily existed for all eternity. It cannot be otherwise. And that is precisely what John is getting at in 1:1-18.

Jehovah God so long ,long ,long ago took it a Upon himself to make another much like himself .
Except that he didn't, because he said there wasn't another and that there wouldn't be.
 
God made it possible for men to do a similar act to day . try as you might you will never get a perfect copy of your self . all you will ever get is son's with similar characteristics . Jesus as well has the same characteristics of Jehovah ,he is like him so much so when the Father does something you should know his son would of done the very same thing.
Jesus, being the son of his father the God, would by defilation make Jesus a god as well.
Again:

Isa 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. (ESV)

Isa 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Isa 44:7 Who is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and set it before me, since I appointed an ancient people. Let them declare what is to come, and what will happen.
Isa 44:8 Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.” (ESV)

Isa 48:12 "Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last. (ESV)

God himself says there was no other god and that "nor shall there be any after me," which is emphasised by "I am the first and I am the last." It is impossible for the Son to be "a god" and not the God; he is either truly God or he is merely human. But, we know that he cannot be merely human, as we are told that he is truly God throughout the NT.

Note that twice God says "I am the first and I am the last." And he says the same thing in Rev 1:8 and 21:6:

Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (ESV)

Rev 21:6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
Rev 21:7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. (ESV)

We then see Jesus say the following of himself in Revelation:

Rev 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last,
Rev 1:18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. (ESV)

Rev 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. (ESV)

Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (ESV)

Jesus echoes the words of God, twice claiming titles that God uses of himself. That would be blasphemy if Jesus wasn't also truly God.

Similarly, we see that five times "Lord of lords" appears in the Bible. Three times it is clearly used of God:

Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.

Psa 136:3 Give thanks to the Lord of lords, for his steadfast love endures forever;

1Ti 6:15 which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, (ESV)

And twice it is clearly used of Jesus:

Rev 17:14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” (ESV)

Rev 19:16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (ESV)

We see that the NT writers had no problem taking titles for God and applying them to Jesus, under inspiration from God, no less. Again, it can only mean that the Son is also Yahweh, that he is also truly God, but that he isn't the Father.
 
Again:

Isa 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. (ESV)

Isa 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Isa 44:7 Who is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and set it before me, since I appointed an ancient people. Let them declare what is to come, and what will happen.
Isa 44:8 Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.” (ESV)

Isa 48:12 "Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last. (ESV)

God himself says there was no other god and that "nor shall there be any after me," which is emphasised by "I am the first and I am the last." It is impossible for the Son to be "a god" and not the God; he is either truly God or he is merely human. But, we know that he cannot be merely human, as we are told that he is truly God throughout the NT.

Note that twice God says "I am the first and I am the last." And he says the same thing in Rev 1:8 and 21:6:

Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (ESV)

Rev 21:6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
Rev 21:7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. (ESV)

We then see Jesus say the following of himself in Revelation:

Rev 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last,
Rev 1:18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. (ESV)

Rev 2:8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. (ESV)

Rev 22:12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (ESV)

Jesus echoes the words of God, twice claiming titles that God uses of himself. That would be blasphemy if Jesus wasn't also truly God.

Similarly, we see that five times "Lord of lords" appears in the Bible. Three times it is clearly used of God:

Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.

Psa 136:3 Give thanks to the Lord of lords, for his steadfast love endures forever;

1Ti 6:15 which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, (ESV)

And twice it is clearly used of Jesus:

Rev 17:14 They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.” (ESV)

Rev 19:16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (ESV)

We see that the NT writers had no problem taking titles for God and applying them to Jesus, under inspiration from God, no less. Again, it can only mean that the Son is also Yahweh, that he is also truly God, but that he isn't the Father.
who is the LORD ?? (note the capital letters used ) in some bibles the use of the word LORD means some other word was removed and then replaced in that spot with LORD. in the case of LORD it means the name of God ,''Jehovah '' was removed . why would you want a bible that has removed God's name ?
 
who is the LORD ?? (note the capital letters used ) in some bibles the use of the word LORD means some other word was removed and then replaced in that spot with LORD. in the case of LORD it means the name of God ,''Jehovah '' was removed . why would you want a bible that has removed God's name ?
This is irrelevant to what I have posted. Why do you continually avoid addressing what Scripture actually states? Is it because it proves JW theology to be highly problematic and contradictory?

Besides, you're trying deflect from answering based on the false claim that Bibles have removed God's name, but ignore the addition of words to the NWT which changes the meaning of two verses and makes them contradict other verses.
 
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This is irrelevant to what I have posted. Why do you continually avoid addressing what Scripture actually states? Is it because it proves JW theology to be highly problematic and contradictory?

Besides, you're trying deflect from answering based on the false claim that Bibles have removed God's name, but ignore the addition of words to the NWT which changes the meaning of two verses and makes them contradict other verses.
 
Yes, I know all this and, as I stated, is not relevant to the discussion. Why do you keep avoiding addressing the serious issues with the NWT and JW theology? Is it because they have taught you what to think and not how to think? Is it because if you were to believe differently, if you were to believe the truth, then you might be excommunicated and lose touch with all those you know and love?
 
Yes, I know all this and, as I stated, is not relevant to the discussion. Why do you keep avoiding addressing the serious issues with the NWT and JW theology? Is it because they have taught you what to think and not how to think? Is it because if you were to believe differently, if you were to believe the truth, then you might be excommunicated and lose touch with all those you know and love?
did you maybe skip over this part ?''

LORD​

When the word “lord” is written in all upper-case letters (LORD), the Hebrew behind this word is the name of God, יהוה (YHWH).''
 
why would the makers of the bible you wish to use knowingly hide the name of God . and they almost had gotten away with it . psalms 83:18 kjv
 
did you maybe skip over this part ?''

LORD​

When the word “lord” is written in all upper-case letters (LORD), the Hebrew behind this word is the name of God, יהוה (YHWH).''
Not at all. As I have stated twice already, it is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

why would the makers of the bible you wish to use knowingly hide the name of God . and they almost had gotten away with it . psalms 83:18 kjv
No one has tried to hide anything. That is silly claim made by JWs to support the corrupt NWT.

Once again, please address what I have posted. This is a debate forum and your continual failure and purposeful avoidance of answering questions or dealing with points made by someone else, is poor form and a violation of the rules of this forum.

Please address the contradictions made in the NWT, which lead to errors in JW theology.
 
That's already addressed by my post.


You hope that I am "not [saying] that Jesus is the almighty God"? Of course I am saying that. There is no other option, as I have pointed out with many Scriptures and you fail to actually address. Jesus says he is timeless, which can only mean that he is God. So, many of the NT writers of the NT draw on what Jesus said, and did, to show that he is both truly God and truly man, but that he is distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. It is literally throughout the NT.

If God himself says there will never be even another god, then there will never be another god. This means Jesus absolutely cannot be a god. There is only the one true God, with whom Jesus claims to share his nature.


What is a "fupa"?
Jesus refered to himself as I am, that was equating himself as God he also is refered to as Emanuel which means God with us
 
LOL please try again
No, that's for you to do. You are being disrespectful by not addressing what I have posted and expecting me to address your posts, which were just a diversionary tactic anyway.
 
Greetings again SolaScripture, Bruce Letter and for_his_glory.


I believe that Jesus is a human being and he was created by the Father. He is more than a MERE human being because he is a special human being directly conceived and born by God's power, the Holy Spirit. He was specially born, and specially educated by God to be the Saviour. Now I must apologise, as I am not a JW, but was motivated to engage by your statement that Jesus was not a creation. I will desist from this thread in the future if I am breaking a rule and the admin insist.

We call humans "human creatures" even though we are a product of our parents. Nevertheless we are descendants of Adam, and our lives are because of God's initial creation of man and woman. Jesus was a human being also the product of God's intervention and Mary. Also you claim that "MADE a little lower than the angels" is status only, but David summarises Genesis 1:26-27 "Let us MAKE man" and uses this framework of the Genesis creation to speak of the conception and birth of Jesus as a human being, and thus a creature, or a new creation, THE new creation..

Yes, Jesus is the medium, the individual through whom the Yahweh Name "I will be" is revealed. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Yahweh Name.

Yes, Jesus is Yahweh revealed:
John 17:6 (KJV): I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

I understand John 1:1 as a personification, similar to the Wise Woman WISDOM in Proverbs 8. John 1:14 speaks about the birth of Jesus, similar to Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35. God is the father of his only begotten son. Trinitarians usually go to some length to reject the proper meaning of "Only begotten Son" here in John 1:14 and John 3:16.

The title "THE Son of Man" comes first from Psalm 8:4-6 and Psalm 80:17 and is literally The Son of Adam, and this speaks firstly that Jesus is the specific HUMAN descended from Adam, who will fulfill God's purpose in the earth and Jesus will have the dominion lost by Adam, and God's purpose through Jesus will result in the New Creation when the earth will be filled with the Glory of Yahweh.

I also reject the Trinity but do not accept the JW view that Jesus was Michael and I consider their rendition of John 1:1 "a god" as erroneous.

I am not sure exactly how Jesus was crucified, and I do not consider it important whether there was a cross bar or not. If the JWs want to hold onto their view, this does not worry me, but I consider that they do this more to be different from an abused religious symbol.

Kind regards
Trevor
"I understand John 1:1 as a personification," you write.

Trevor, how can it be that it is a personification, when he is a Word who is God and, at the same time in the beginning of creation, with God. You're talking to a former English teacher. What is he compared with as a person? I don't understand your statement at all.

Also, why do you disagree with belief in the Trinity? In other words, when Jesus claims seven times that "I am" things and people, he is clearly claiming to be identified with the God of the burning bush (I AM--Exodus 3:14). After all, he also claims to be David's good Shepherd, according to Psalm 23:1, which means that he is God.

I'm always interested in people's beliefs and why they believe as they do.
 
Greetings Jericho,
who is the LORD ?? (note the capital letters used ) in some bibles the use of the word LORD means some other word was removed and then replaced in that spot with LORD. in the case of LORD it means the name of God ,''Jehovah '' was removed . why would you want a bible that has removed God's name ?
Using the same reasoning: Why would you want to use a Bible that uses and perpetuates an erroneous rendition of the YHWH Name, by using "Jehovah"? The 1971 JW Book Aid to Understanding in the article Jehovah pages 882-895 states how this erroneous form occurred. Why did Judge Rutherford use this erroneous form when he decided to call the organisation Jehovah's Witnesses? Why do you continue to use this erroneous form?

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Jesus refered to himself as I am, that was equating himself as God he also is refered to as Emanuel which means God with us
i can say i am . i can even say i am what i am . so what does i am mean in the context of either the almighty God saying it or jesus the son of God . they are saying they are real and they are ready to prove it. and prove it they did .
 
Greetings Jericho,

Using the same reasoning: Why would you want to use a Bible that uses and perpetuates an erroneous rendition of the YHWH Name, by using "Jehovah"? The 1971 JW Book Aid to Understanding in the article Jehovah pages 882-895 states how this erroneous form occurred. Why did Judge Rutherford use this erroneous form when he decided to call the organisation Jehovah's Witnesses? Why do you continue to use this erroneous form?

Kind regards
Trevor

Psalm 83:18 KJV says what ?​

 
Greetings again Bruce Letter,
"I understand John 1:1 as a personification," you write.

@Trevor, how can it be that it is a personification, when he is a Word who is God and, at the same time in the beginning of creation, with God. You're talking to a former English teacher. What is he compared with as a person? I don't understand your statement at all.
The same concept is found in Proverbs 8 where Wisdom is personified as a Wise Woman who was with Yahweh in the Creation.
In other words, when Jesus claims seven times that "I am" things and people, he is clearly claiming to be identified with the God of the burning bush (I AM--Exodus 3:14).
I understand that the correct rendition of Exodus 3:14 should be "I will be" as given by Tyndale and the RV and RSV margins. Thus the Yahweh Name, as per context Exodus 3:12 "I will be with thee", speaks of what God would accomplish in delivering Israel out of Egypt and bringing them into the Promised Land, not "I AM" which speaks of existence. God's existence is stated earlier in the chapter "I am the God of Abraham".
After all, he also claims to be David's good Shepherd, according to Psalm 23:1, which means that he is God.
David indeed considered the One God, Yahweh, God the Father as his shepherd, but the greatest fulfillment of Psalm 23 is with Jesus who preeminently trusted in Yahweh as his shepherd through all his sufferings and especially his "shadow of death" in the crucifixion.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Please address the contradictions made in the NWT, which lead to errors in JW theology.
i have seen others try to make the claim . i have never seen it work .
something i have seen is the hatefulness Jesus said to expect. John 15:18 and then as well john 15:19
 
Greetings again Locust,
i have seen others try to make the claim . i have never seen it work .
Have you ever considered that the NWT "cautious" is an incorrect and a poor translation in the following:
Genesis 3:1 (NWT): Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
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