what part of that didnt i know. a state religion being disallowed doesnt mean we should let a moral freefall
Ethics based systems can and do derive similar positions apart from religious affiliations.
i mean should we just let isreal be overan by islam if the whole worlds says it doenst need to exist?
after all the right of nations to determine their own will
That's a state issue, not a religious issue. It is ethically in the state's best interest (termed ethical consideration/favor) to support allies.
based on what state laws or countries laws was the act of sodomy legalised? hint it wasnt even in america it was based outside of judeo christian values.
so what makes being gay ethical?
That's why religion and state need to stay separate. You may think their sin is worse than yours. I don't. We both derive that understanding from our beliefs.
But ethics considerations would and should treat this matter differently. Otherwise you end up with 'sinner favoritism.' Your sin is OK, theirs is not. Your sin goes unpunished, theirs does not. I am not in favor of such positions.
what world views says that to murder is bad and where does all morality comes from? if it aint from God then you have no stance.all that is Good comes from God for he defines it not man.
From an ethics position murder is illegal as well. It's not in societies best interest for the citizens to murder each others.
if man is the source as you say then you cant ever tell me that the holocaust was wrong as that is only an opinion. or abortion or murder.
I might suggest you spend a little time on the topic matter before taking it on. Ethics based law has been around for several centuries if not more.
so christ isnt the source of what is good.i am not talking about a state religion so i would like you to drop that, but the founders didnt say lets have free fall of morality that is today.
How I believe is irrelevant to ethics based law.
in fact until the 80s' in the military it was crime to commit adultery and sodomy and charges were carried out. and in the 1800s death was on the books. and i like still was until the 1980s now we have adultery and sodomy galore in the military.
Military law is another matter altogether, and quite different than ethics based law. Ultimately though they are hyper ethics based and not religious based.
based on what world view did wilberforce force brittain to stop slavery, if not christianity what was it? should we not do the same or if such human trade or sex slavery should we then just say oh well we should ignore that too?
Religious votes go in the ballot box. That doesn't make the laws derived from those votes religious based. Whatever law is contrived will still be based on ethics in the court systems.
I for one would have a problem laying my hand on a bible and swearing to tell the whole truth from a religious perspective. Why? Because my faith teaches me that all men are liars. From an ethics perspective it is only about observable or quantifiable facts and persuasion, so laying my hand thereon and swearing from an understanding of ethics allowed evidence and testimony is an entirely different matter and I have no problem with same.
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