Our houses are protected by the good Lord and a gun...

[Lewis]

I've always believed the Lord protects us wherever we are to doubt this is like slapping Him in the face hasn't He been slapped enough by the world lets not go there too.

Yeah the Lord does protect us, and sometimes He wants you to do the protecting. That is why He put you in charge of the wife and the kids. Sometimes the Lord does not intervene. And He gave you that job to protect also. It is even in your vows (To Protect) If I knew of a man, who could have did something to protect his family and he didn't. I would want that coward to stay away from me.

 

[Classik]

People seem to get it twisted, God does not want you to stand there and take a beat down and let your wife and daughters get raped and killed. In my mind and even Biblically you are a coward. God put you in charge to look after your family and to protect them. Not standing there praying while the intruder rapes your wife, and you can do something about it.

Cool
Such things do not come my way. I am not a paranoid.
For People who think they live to attack attack attack villains...do not stop.
They should also buy lasers, hydrogen B, etc
How long...?
They say People who carry nothing break nothing.

 

[Classik]

So you are really putting one thing God said before another? Honestly? Super serious or are you joking again?

Not putting one thing God said before another.

 

[Classik]

I've always believed the Lord protects us wherever we are to doubt this is like slapping Him in the face hasn't He been slapped enough by the world lets not go there too.

Psalm 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

127:2 It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep.

127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

127:4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.

127:5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

turnorburn

A presidential handshake!

 

[Classik]

We are supposed to be at peace as the People of God. The taste here seems to suggest unbelievers are more at peace.

 

[jasoncran]

i will run despite all the training i do in mma and the military before the first shot is fired or if the punch is thrown. if theres no escape then and only then will i fight.


classick, i was a pacifist and didnt believe in voting and even the military. i hate violence but i am not going to die. some annoying god installed desire to live keeps me from rolling over and dying.

i know all too well what war and such like does, i find utterly insulting you assume pard and me want and lust to kill at a moments notice.,No its with hesitation that we must act. not with glee but with the idea theres no other way too act.

 

[Lewis]

Jason how about if you are on the battlefield and shots were not fired at you, but you were ordered to fire at the enemy first. What would you do ?

 

[Chris]

TRUST is what is in question here!


Do you trust the lord can protect you or is he like a wooden idol to you.


I dont care what anyone says or what your stupid constitution says.. the law of your land wriitn by men.



Jesus spread message of peace and love. he never used VIOLENCE but rebuked it.

Make no mistake the person you call lord Jesus Christ used non violent methods to bring about change.

No knives No guns- If you carry weapons in preparation against your neighbors it means Jehovah is weak and you serve a dead useless idol or non existent god unable to intervene in men's actions!

Indst the violent religion muslim? i thought Jesus was peaceful.

 

[Lewis]

God does not always step in on every situation. And it is foolish to think that He does. Some things you have to do for yourself.

 

[stovebolts]

Cool
Such things do not come my way. I am not a paranoid.
For People who think they live to attack attack attack villains...do not stop.
They should also buy lasers, hydrogen B, etc
How long...?
They say People who carry nothing break nothing.

Classik,

With all due respect, what did Reba do to have people show up knocking on her door wearing masks and guns? Was it wrong for her husband to break out the gun and shove it in the bad guys face.

I really, really want an answer on how you viewed Reba's home invasion.

Now, when I was a young buck, I did a lot of things wrong... and yes, I did also had somebody come to my door with a gun, and they knew where we kept our gun so that's the first place they told us to stay away from... That would could have been ugly and the whole scene was ugly. Bad guy against bad guy.

But there is a huge difference between my encounter with somebody coming to the apartment where I was staying, and Reba's home, and you can't equate the two incidents.

For responsible gun owners, It's not about being paranoid, and yes, I know of the kind of people you're talking about. Your talking about the guy who's fascinated with guns and is looking for an intruder so he can legally kill him so he can get his rush. I don't think that's a fair assessment of most gun owners.

Chances are, most people will never experience what Reba experienced and their guns will never be used. And that's a good thing. But just like a lock on a door, it only keeps the honest people out.

BTW, did you know that most houses in Jesus day didn't have locks? Do you lock your doors at night? If so, why? Are you paranoid?

 

[Chris]

Classik,


Now, when I was a young buck, I did a lot of things wrong... and yes, I did also had somebody come to my door with a gun, and they knew where we kept our gun so that's the first place they told us to stay away from... That would could have been ugly and the whole scene was ugly. Bad guy against bad guy.

where do you guys live?


In Australia where i live guns are in museums and used occasionally. i wouldnt know what one looks like.
by organized crime on the news.

dont they use those things in wars?

 

[stovebolts]

where do you guys live?


In Australia where i live guns are in museums and used occasionally. i wouldnt know what one looks like.
by organized crime on the news.

dont they use those things in wars?

That was in the great North West.
BTW, you don't go into the woods without a handgun.. They be used to detur them thar bears...

A gun is only called a weapon when it's used on another human being...

 

[Chris]

That was in the great North West.
BTW, you don't go into the woods without a handgun.. They be used to detur them thar bears...

A gun is only called a weapon when it's used on another human being...

I can send my wife and kids into the forest anytime or into the local suburbs for a walk

They wil be safe as long as they dont play with our snakes or venomous spiders. our spiders and snakes could kill anything.. almost. Just dont pick them up lol.

they will be safe.. no weapons needed.

your bears need to meeet a brown snake a Taipan or funnel web spider. environmentally friendly solution to bear issue lol

that would make a bear have a bad day.

 

[stovebolts]

Don't think they'd survive the winters... sides, we've already go peranna in our rivers and lakes, and florida has pythons.. And yeah, I watched Crock Dundee.. now that's a knife

I think there's a reason we're oceans apart...

Anyway, don't want to squirrel the OP

 

[Pard]

Seems to me the sentiment I am getting is "I'll do nothing and the Lord will protect me." yeah?

Let's apply this terribly faulty logic to other aspects of our lives...

Do I need a job? Nah the Lord will give me what it is that I need.

Should I even get up to turn on the heat? Nah the Lord will keep my warm.

Man I smell should I take a shower? Nah the Lord will mask my stench.

Do I really need to go get food? Nah the Lord will fill my stomach even when the pantry is empty.

It's alright Stove. I wonder... would you guys who opt to just lay down and let people roll right on over you... would you defend yourself against an animal or would you just let them have their way with you also?

 

[Drew]

Pard I am just getting around to reading this. I have had many arguments on this board since 2005 about this. And I still say if they break in my house and try to hurt us, and I have a gun and I can get to it, I will kill you if I have to. I will not let you come in my house or my mom's if I am over there, and let you rape or hurt her. And same goes for my house, because I will shoot you and you will be laying down wearing a suit.

Any questions?

I have a few. For starters, I have made a detailed argument in post 35 as to why Christians should not arm themselves.

Are you prepared to engage that argument, and show where it is mistaken, Biblically?

 

[Drew]

Sometimes (presumably) secular comedians make pointed, but correct, critiques of Christian culture. One female comedian I saw on TV was saying how, if her boyfriend cheated on her, she would, and I am trying to recall her exact words:

".....exercise my 2nd amendment rights and lay that boy down in the name of Jesus"

Now, to be fair, I realize none of you are suggesting its ok to use a gun in this kind of circumstance.

But, I suggest she is intentionally making a point about the very odd notion that Jesus endorses guns. And I would agree with her.

 

[Pard]

Any questions?

I have a few. For starters, I have made a detailed argument in post 35 as to why Christians should not arm themselves.

Are you prepared to engage that argument, and show where it is mistaken, Biblically?

Don't do it Lewis! I'm still waiting for someone to respond to my argument...

 

[Classik]

i know all too well what war and such like does, i find utterly insulting you assume pard and me want and lust to kill at a moments notice.,No its with hesitation that we must act. not with glee but with the idea theres no other way too act.

You seem to be missing the point.

 

[Drew]

He reminds them that He had sent them out before with nothing, and yet all their needs were taken care of. Now He is telling them, you'll need money, you'll need a knapsack (carried provisions), you'll need a sword. There is a sea-change about to take place in the disciples lives, and Jesus is preparing them for it.

A detailed analysis of the text does not support this interpretation of why Jesus suggested getting the swords.

Please see post 58 - it explains in detail how, if we honour the details in the text, we see that Jesus is suggesting the swords not for "self-defence in future" but rather so that Jesus will be seen as a transgressor.

I am not making this up! This explanation is provided in the very text itself:

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NIV-25902>37</SUP> It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’<SUP class=footnote value='[b]'>[b]</SUP>; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.â€

This could not be more clear - Jesus is driving home the point that the acquiring of the swords is a strategy to make Jesus be seen as a transgressor, by being part of an armed group.

This is what is so frustrating about engaging believers who claim to take scripture seriously. This text is a classic - if you really take it seriously in all its details, it is obvious that the reason for the sword is clearly something other than self-defence.

It is about fulfilling a prophecy that Jesus would be seen as a transgressor.

And that takes Him to the cross, as it had to be.