The measurement of time, times, and half a time!

[jasoncran]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

We know that all Israel is not Israel.. if that's what you mean..



According to Rev 19 and 2 Thess 2.. who does the LORD destroy with the brightness of His coming..?

Surely you're not going to tell me that He came again in AD70.. or are you ?

yup to judge.

let me ask you this. since you take a vision that literally.

when did the moon turn red when peter said this is that which was spoken of by joel when the hs came.

so god doesnt use metaphors? a literal huge temple that would crush the planet when it comes?

often tribbers say that he comes to get his church then comes again to judge and then get upset with the preterists who say he will come again and did come to judge isreal.


visions have meanings and symbols mean something.

so when did annais not see his coming?

But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven .
(Mat 26:63-64)
and for further argument here

http://mikeblume.com/clouds70.htm

 

[Eventide]

Re: Jacob wrestled with God all night.. the night is far spent, the Day is at hand..

yup to judge.

let me ask you this. since you take a vision that literally.

when did the moon turn red when peter said this is that which was spoken of by joel when the hs came.

so god doesnt use metaphors? a literal huge temple that would crush the planet when it comes?

often tribbers say that he comes to get his church then comes again to judge and then get upset with the preterists who say he will come again and did come to judge isreal.


visions have meanings and symbols mean something.

so when did annais not see his coming?

But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven .
(Mat 26:63-64)
and for further argument here

http://mikeblume.com/clouds70.htm

SO I take that as a yes.. you believe that Rev 19 and 2 Thess 2 speak of AD70... ? IMO that's amazingly ridiculous Jason.. and I certainly will not even begin to debate preterism which imo is sheer nonsense..

So, nice chatting but I'm not going there.

 

[jasoncran]

so you believe that jesus is a big channukah menorah when he comes back?:D

the temple has to cleansed and holy to god in order for it to be desolated again. the third temple that is

that when christ returns he was so bright that he literally did that, and yet somehow annais and the apostles didnt see that light?

here you go case in point

1948 being the magic year for you.

the problem is that that generation that sees that is dying fast and so fast that in say 20 years they would have to be 100 plus to be there and not die.

and also must be ignore that the increased signs of so forth have no baseline comparison.

here joel 2 and what peter said

28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come. 32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

and in acts 2

14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

so when was that moon supposed to be red? when did a blood moon happen.

 

[precepts]

The 'terms' of time, times and half a time are much more interesting than just numeric conversions.

Esau bemoaned the "Time" of Jacob in this manner:

Genesis 27:36
And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times:

he took away my birthright;

and, behold, now

he hath taken away my blessing.

Yet even for Jacob and 'long after' his physical death we find TROUBLE TIME for Jacob as well:

Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

The spiritual understanding of the parable can be discerned and it has zero to do with '42 months of the Jewish or any other calendar of man.'

Here is another choice piece on 'time.'

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

If you were to take the 3 measures of TIME as this:

Time
Times
half a Time

Which of those 3 would be 'a short time?'

Yes, it's obvious on the short time. How do we know that the devil, Satan has to be factored into the equation of the above?

Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The DIVIDING TIME or 'half time' is 'the separation' of SHEEP from GOATS.

The TIME of the DEVIL

will be separated from

the TIMES of mankind

During the 'time of separation' there will be SILENCE IN THE HEAVENS for the space of...how much time?

1/2 HOUR.

John the Apostle told us nearly 2000 YEARS ago that we were already in THE LAST TIME.

Unto WHOM then does the LAST TIME (singular tense) apply to in John's usage?

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Job 28:
28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Matthew 16:3
And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Acts 1:
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Summing up:

Satan was in the Garden on DAY 1 of ADAM. Satan is still here on earth....this is 'his time' and 'his generation.' The devil and his family has not 'passed away.' They WILL come to an END on THAT GREAT and FINAL and TERRIBLE DAY.

Therefore in the generations of MAN it is THEIR TIME.

There have been 'thousands' of generations of MAN. Therefore MAN has TIME plural or TIMES.

and the last equation of TIME is the 1/2 or the DIVIDING of TIME.

This is when the GENERATION or TIME of the wicked is DIVIDED or SEPARATED from the TIMES OF MANKIND.

Matthew 8:29
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Luke 8:
31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

It might appear to some that Jesus answered the plead/prayer of DEVILS, but, it was not yet the 'end' of their TIME

...it will be SOON. Very soon!

s

You missed the point, I wasn't defining time, but "time, times, and half a time" as defined by the amount of time the woman was fed in the wilderness.

 

[Sinthesis]

Half of a week, whatever a week is. YMMV

 

[smaller]

You missed the point, I wasn't defining time, but "time, times, and half a time" as defined by the amount of time the woman was fed in the wilderness.

As defined is in the eyes of those who define.

 

[precepts]

As defined is in the eyes of those who define.

As defined by context!

 

[smaller]

As defined by context!

Well, there is always how any definer will define and then there is the hurdle of Gods Words that has to be jumped. If you believe in context in one location often a person will be proven A LIAR in another location. That's how the Word is rigged. It will sooner or later prove us ALL liars, yet HIM TRUE to HIS WORDS. Such a wonderful construct. I might even go so far as to say if one doesn't know they are a LIAR by comparison, they will learn NOTHING from Gods Words.

When you see time, times and half or dividing of time in multiple locations, if a definer wants to understand or 'is led' to understand, they may have to take a look at the other presentations of the matter as well.

But hey, that's just me doing good work. What can I say? It's being 'led' rather than self limiting.

You are welcome to have it totally as you see fit. If you think that 42 months is somehow beneficial to you and to others, more power to ya! Good luck with that.

s

 

[precepts]

Well, there is always how any definer will define and then there is the hurdle of Gods Words that has to be jumped.

Interesting choice of words.

If you believe in context in one location often a person will be proven A LIAR in another location. That's how the Word is rigged.

Sounds rational enough!

It will sooner or later prove us ALL liars,

Speak for yourself!

yet HIM TRUE to HIS WORDS. Such a wonderful construct. I might even go so far as to say if one doesn't know they are a LIAR by comparison, they will learn NOTHING from Gods Words.

When you see time, times and half or dividing of time in multiple locations, if a definer wants to understand or 'is led' to understand, they may have to take a look at the other presentations of the matter as well.

Is this the one about the ostrich sticking his head into the sand again?

But hey, that's just me doing good work. What can I say? It's being 'led' rather than self limiting.

You obviously don't have to many friends because your words are too many, and the logic is few.

You are welcome to have it totally as you see fit. If you think that 42 months is somehow beneficial to you and to others, more power to ya! Good luck with that.

s

That's what I was saying in the 1st place, but like I said before, you have to read between the limes with some on these sites.

 

[smaller]

Interesting choice of words.

There is a principal employed in the realm of theology termed in brief 'the whole counsel.' That means 'all' of Gods Words on any particular matter are confirmed in the 'whole counsel' of same. Therefore reason and logic dictate that where any subject is briefed by 'one witness' in the Word, such as in Daniel, and another witness, such as John in Revelation speak on the same matter, then BOTH witnesses have to factor in.

Am I boring you yet? good.

Speak for yourself!

I readily admit to being a blatant LIAR when I stand before THE PERFECT COUNSEL of GODS PERFECT WORD.

Any approach to our PERFECT MAKER had better be WITH THIS TRUTH IN HAND or they are going to receive NOTHING from Gods Words. God does not engage with those who can't TELL THE TRUTH even if that truth means saying we are LIARS.

I hope you understand the dichotomy of this matter. It's difficult to come to grips with personally. Every Pharisee loves to paint the outside of their dead tome/tomb with whitewash.

I don't need to fool my Maker. I have sin, sin is bad, sin is not good. It ain't going away. SIN IS LYING. If I say I have NO SIN I am in fact PROVEN by the Word to be A LIAR and I have no interest in being that.

Get it? I doubt it.

Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

You think Jacob came before his father AS A LIAR for no reason? Think again my friend.

Those who come before OUR FATHER as A LIAR will BE BLESSED!

Is this the one about the ostrich sticking his head into the sand again?

You are welcome to take what you can from what I post. I always press for facts. Those who have no interest in spiritual facts will not enjoy me much.

You obviously don't have to many friends because your words are too many, and the logic is small.

Oh, there is a working in man that doesn't care for what I have to say, that's for sure. My Father has taught me WELL.

That's what I was saying in the 1st place, but like I said before, you have to read between the limes with some on these sites.

Limes for sure pucker the lips.

enjoy!

s

 

[precepts]

There is a principal employed in the realm of theology termed in brief 'the whole counsel.' That means 'all' of Gods Words on any particular matter are confirmed in the 'whole counsel' of same. Therefore reason and logic dictate that where any subject is briefed by 'one witness' in the Word, such as in Daniel, and another witness, such as John in Revelation speak on the same matter, then BOTH witnesses have to factor in.

Am I boring you yet? good.

I readily admit to being a blatant LIAR when I stand before THE PERFECT COUNSEL of GODS PERFECT WORD.

Any approach to our PERFECT MAKER had better be WITH THIS TRUTH IN HAND or they are going to receive NOTHING from Gods Words. God does not engage with those who can't TELL THE TRUTH even if that truth means saying we are LIARS.

I hope you understand the dichotomy of this matter. It's difficult to come to grips with personally. Every Pharisee loves to paint the outside of their dead tome/tomb with whitewash.

I don't need to fool my Maker. I have sin, sin is bad, sin is not good. It ain't going away. SIN IS LYING. If I say I have NO SIN I am in fact PROVEN by the Word to be A LIAR and I have no interest in being that.

Get it? I doubt it.

Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

You think Jacob came before his father AS A LIAR for no reason? Think again my friend.

Those who come before OUR FATHER as A LIAR will BE BLESSED!

You are welcome to take what you can from what I post. I always press for facts. Those who have no interest in spiritual facts will not enjoy me much.

Oh, there is a working in man that doesn't care for what I have to say, that's for sure. My Father has taught me WELL.
Limes for sure pucker the lips.

enjoy!

s

I didn't read thru your messages, because I don't have time, and I don't wish to argue over petty stuff. My aim is to enlighten whom I can, not to argue. If this is beneficial to anyone, I am grateful.

Have a nice day!

 

[smaller]

I didn't read thru your messages, because I don't have time, and I don't wish to argue over petty stuff. My aim is to enlighten whom I can, not to argue. If this is beneficial to anyone, I am grateful.

Have a nice day!

Oh, you have the time. That is for certain.

If you understood what 'time' you have you might not be so happy about it. It's 'a short time.'

enjoy!

s

 

[smaller]

Rather than 'dropping the ball' on the subject of 'time' for those who may have a keener interest for same put into them by God, take a look at the TIME of CAIN. This is the 'first deployment' of the term TIME in the TEXT:

Genesis 4:3
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

And of course we KNOW that God did NOT ACCEPT that offering that PROCESS of TIME brought to GOD.

What came from this TIME is no different than what Jesus spoke of here:

Matthew 13:26
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

You see, God does not accept the offering from the ground because IT CONTAINS TARES. Tares come up OVER TIME.

This is a spiritual matter of understanding of TIME. The 'first step.'

The ear to hear is not an ear on the side of your head. It is the FRUIT of GOD called TRUTH in the bearer.

enjoy!

smaller

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3:4&version=KJV

 

[precepts]

Oh, you have the time. That is for certain.

If you understood what 'time' you have you might not be so happy about it. It's 'a short time.'

enjoy!

s

Wow! I wonder why he would say such a thing. You obviouly don't know your bible because a tree can't produce bad and good friut, and it's obvious which fruit you're producing!

Have a nice day, friend!

 

[smaller]

Wow! I wonder why he would say such a thing.

I would say the same thing about 'time' for myself. You and I Oh child of God are IN THE TIME OF THE DEVIL. The 'wicked' time.

Did you bother to read my first post? I count this time to both of us and I reckon that time to the DEVIL to be as God Says, A SHORT TIME.

You see the DEVIL knows his time. He also knows IT'S SHORT and getting shorter as we speak.

In this way, what I write of is A THREAT to him. This is what my Father has shown me.

So, the offense you feel burning in you is the arousal that many will feel. It is the short time of the DEVIL.

And yes, it's a very real factor in all of our discussions. That is also why 'many' are 'offended' by His Words.

Blessed are those who are not offended IN HIM. They will learn MUCH. But others, particularly those of the religious Pharisee class are almost instantly OFFENDED by The Words of Christ.

I really 'hope' you're not one of those for your sake.

You obviouly don't know your bible

You are welcome to insult my sharing bread any way you please. I actually expect that to happen first with anyone I share with. You see I know I am not sharing with 'just you.'

God has promised me to show 'the resistors' wherever I write and, yes, He has blessed me in this regard.

So, even as you insult me, I know it is God who has sent that sign.

Thanks Father! On TIME and on cue.

because a tree can't produce bad and good friut, and it's obvious which fruit you're producing!

Hey, don't forget to call me a devil on your way out the door!

s

 

[precepts]

Rather than 'dropping the ball' on the subject of 'time' for those who may have a keener interest for same put into them by God, take a look at the TIME of CAIN. This is the 'first deployment' of the term TIME in the TEXT:

Genesis 4:3
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

And of course we KNOW that God did NOT ACCEPT that offering that PROCESS of TIME brought to GOD.

What came from this TIME is no different than what Jesus spoke of here:

Matthew 13:26
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

You see, God does not accept the offering from the ground because IT CONTAINS TARES. Tares come up OVER TIME.

This is a spiritual matter of understanding of TIME. The 'first step.'

The ear to hear is not an ear on the side of your head. It is the FRUIT of GOD called TRUTH in the bearer.

enjoy!

smaller

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3:4&version=KJV

What the hell?

 

[precepts]

Lord, when will it end? Could we, please, have peace on earth! Have mercy on me!

 

[smaller]

What the hell?

These things are revealed just as Daniel said...at the END of TIME.

Daniel 8:19
And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

You may read from many about time, times and 1/2 a time.

When the fact of the TIME is connected to THE DEVIL...it gets hot fast.

Only pigs trample pearls.

enjoy!

s

 

[precepts]

I would say the same thing about 'time' for myself. You and I Oh child of God are IN THE TIME OF THE DEVIL. The 'wicked' time.

Did you bother to read my first post? I count this time to both of us and I reckon that time to the DEVIL to be as God Says, A SHORT TIME.

What is your problem?

You see the DEVIL knows his time. He also knows IT'S SHORT and getting shorter as we speak.

In this way, what I write of is A THREAT to him. This is what my Father has shown me.

So, the offense you feel burning in you is the arousal that many will feel. It is the short time of the DEVIL.

And yes, it's a very real factor in all of our discussions. That is also why 'many' are 'offended' by His Words.

You're definately living in a fantasy world.

Blessed are those who are not offended IN HIM. They will learn MUCH. But others, particularly those of the religious Pharisee class are almost instantly OFFENDED by The Words of Christ.

You and your sublime messages! You're the one who insulted me because I didn't want to argue over petty stuff. All of sudden I became the "Devil" with a short time! My response was you obviously don't know your bible because a tree can't bring forth good and bad fruit. Now, for me to post a thread revealing truth, to then be called a devil, isn't biblical. Great minds talk about the issues, small minds talk about?

I really 'hope' you're not one of those for your sake.

You are welcome to insult my sharing bread any way you please. I actually expect that to happen first with anyone I share with. You see I know I am not sharing with 'just you.'

God has promised me to show 'the resistors' wherever I write and, yes, He has blessed me in this regard.

So, even as you insult me, I know it is God who has sent that sign.

Thanks Father! On TIME and on cue.

That's pathetic, reverse pyschology!

Hey, don't forget to call me a devil on your way out the door!

s

That would be hypocritical, friend!

 

[precepts]

These things are revealed just as Daniel said...at the END of TIME.

Daniel 8:19
And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

You may read from many about time, times and 1/2 a time.

When the fact of the TIME is connected to THE DEVIL...it gets hot fast.

Only pigs trample pearls.

enjoy!

s

My thoughts exactly! Stay off mines!