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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS)!
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TRUE True, washed in the blood of Christ. Blessings! 
Ephesians 4:30 & 1 Peter 1:4 / www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-10-26.html
Ephesians 4:30 & 1 Peter 1:4 / www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-10-26.html
Butch5
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It's false, it didn't enter the church until the 1500s'
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Butch, are you a Jehovah Witness, what church are you in? Blessings.
Butch5
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No, I'm not JW. I also don't affiliate with denominations. I attend a Christian church because it is the closest to the faith that I am able to find at the moment. It, however, has things that incorrect also. I have spent quite a few years studying the original Christian faith and comparing it to the Scriptures. It reconciles very nicely without all of the problems from certain passages that Christians try to deal with today. Tertullian said, and rightly, 'Truth must precede error, therefore that which was first is correct.' You can't have false doctrine until you have doctrine. Thus what was taught first is right and what was taught first was that salvation can be lost.
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But we receive the gift of salvation in this lifetime as we walk this earth, not at resurrection. What do you mean by that?
Butch5
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We have the promise of salvation. That is what the seal is. Notice Paul's words.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. (Eph 1:12-14 KJV)
He says, until the redemption of the purchased possession. The possession has been purchased but it has not yet been redeemed. Christians have been sealed with the Spirit until the their redemption. The possession (the Christian) has already been purchased by God, yet Paul indicates that he has not yet been redeemed. The redemption comes are the end. Paul said to the church at Rome, 'the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. We have the promise of eternal life but we don't have possession of it now. If we did we wouldn't die. However, all men sin and all men die. However, of the one who dies in Christ there remains the redemption and the gift of eternal life.
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Butch, ok so now you've changed your mind about salvation and God's seal?
It's just that your idea of what salvation is, is so off base bro. :silly
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if the believer saves principally itself, then there may be no guarantee for its eternal salvation in long-term plan, because the eternity has an end, for it is a circle by interchange of the soul's roles with one step forward per each cycle so that every person will be in the role of any other through(-out) the countless rotations/repeats of the eternity, e.g. i shall be you, you will be me, he will be her, she will be him, etc., but not in one eternity, but through(-out) all its rotations/repeats, because all events of the eternity will recur in the same sequence during each its subsequent rotation so that the destiny of every person's role will also recur in the same way then, and there is a rating of the souls, because each soul will be placed according to the contributions which it will achieve in the present eternity, e.g. it is sure that every human who believes rightly in the true God and Jesus will be placed first so that it will be saved also in the next series of the eternity's rotations
Ecclesiastes 1:9-11 "The thing that hath been(viz. in this eternity), it is that which shall be(viz. in the subsequent eternity); and that which is done(viz. in the current eternity) is that which shall be done(viz. in the successive eternity): and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time(viz. in the previous rotations/repeats of the eternity), which was before us(i.e. before the current eternity). There is no remembrance of former things(viz. there is no remembrance of the things that occurred with the souls in the previous eternities); neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after(i.e. neither shall there be any remembrance of the things which will occur during the subsequent eternities with the souls in the sequential interchange(s) of their roles/characters).",
Matthew 7:1-12 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge(viz. in the present eternity), ye shall be judged(viz. in the subsequent repeats of the eternity): and with what measure ye mete(viz. in the current eternity), it shall be measured to you again(viz. in the successive repeats of the eternity)..... Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you(viz. in the subsequent repeats of the eternity), do ye even so to them(viz. now in this eternity): for this is the law and the prophets."
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Ecclesiastes 1:9-11 "The thing that hath been(viz. in this eternity), it is that which shall be(viz. in the subsequent eternity); and that which is done(viz. in the current eternity) is that which shall be done(viz. in the successive eternity): and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time(viz. in the previous rotations/repeats of the eternity), which was before us(i.e. before the current eternity). There is no remembrance of former things(viz. there is no remembrance of the things that occurred with the souls in the previous eternities); neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after(i.e. neither shall there be any remembrance of the things which will occur during the subsequent eternities with the souls in the sequential interchange(s) of their roles/characters).",
Matthew 7:1-12 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge(viz. in the present eternity), ye shall be judged(viz. in the subsequent repeats of the eternity): and with what measure ye mete(viz. in the current eternity), it shall be measured to you again(viz. in the successive repeats of the eternity)..... Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you(viz. in the subsequent repeats of the eternity), do ye even so to them(viz. now in this eternity): for this is the law and the prophets."
Blessings
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Man has convinced himself in many ways that he can mock God by living anyway he wants to and get into Heaven anyway.
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False, otherwise what's the purpose of the many dozens of warnings
to the churches in the epistles?
Then, there are Jesus' many dozens of warnings in the gospels and Revelation 2, 3, 21, 22.
It's all about obedience ... and being sanctified towards perfection and holiness.
Several of God's spiritual Truths are "somewhat hidden" in Scripture!
And God has His reasons for this ... just use your imagination.
Others are:
-- man is born with an inherited sin nature
-- God is One, but has revealed Himself to be 3 Persons
-- man is unable to believe in Jesus and His gospel
-- God must give man a revelation before he can believe
-- man must go through the process of sanctification
-- baptism with the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with being born-again
-- eternal life is knowing the father and the Son, and being led by the Spirit
How's your imagination working these days?
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John and Butch,
Let's see some scripture, 2 or 3 examples that show what you believe about salvation being lost.
Here's one to consider -
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:26-29
Let's see some scripture, 2 or 3 examples that show what you believe about salvation being lost.
Here's one to consider -
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:26-29
Danus
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True.
True for me, and many others who have been born again.
However, False for those yet to be born again. yet to have a conversion of heart from their own will to the will of God for them. For some, God, Christ and Salvation are not real at all, and others are still searching, but both live by their own will and for them it is dead false. They either see Salvation as nothing necessary or something they are "working" toward. It could be that some are seeking and will be saved at some point. That is very possible and I try to support that. As a body of Christ we should be inclusive to anyone seeking Salvation.
We should be cautious, with this understanding. It can be hurtful and discouraging, or seem braggadocio if all we offer is that someone must be born again, but it should be encouraging to anyone who Loves Christ that He does not turn anyone away who seeks His Grace in earnest.
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Thanks.
However, this thread is named once saved always saved.
So we are not discussing someone who is not saved.
That is why the thread is called once saved...
Maybe you could comment on the scripture I posted?
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All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. John 6:37 ESV (This means, "never under any circumstances will I ever cast you out once you have come to Me.") Once God makes a clear promise, it can never be broken. This offended the self-righteous religious people (as it still does today). We can no more become “unborn” spiritually than we can become unborn physically.
If we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. 2 Timothy 2:13
These verses emphasizes the Divine side of salvation.
If we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. 2 Timothy 2:13
These verses emphasizes the Divine side of salvation.
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Hi JBL,
Here is one that I think ends any discussion for the serious inquirer.
11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. (1Ti 5:11-15 KJV)
I don't see how anyone gets around Paul's words here. Waxed wanton against Christ, cast of their faith, received damnation, and turned aside after Satan, that seems pretty clear. And they are Christians because Paul says they cast off their faith.
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These passages need to be understood in context. John 6 was spoken to Jews. Jesus said He had only come to the Jews. Also, He said He would never cast them out, He didn't say they could never leave.
The passage in 2 Timothy in context just said if we deny Him, He will deny us. That is the same thing Jesus said. What does He remain faithful to? Himself. What did He say?
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. (Mat 10:33 NKJ)
By being faithful to Himself, He is faithful to what He said.
Danus
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My comment would not be worth anyone's time beyond your posting it. However, I'll give you one of my favorite scriptures concerning the security of our salvation.
Romans 8:38-39 (NIV) 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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