The War To End All Wars

Dorothy Mae said:

journeyman, I forgot to give you the verse specifying that the events we are discussing in which I think are past and you think future as being the worst ever experienced by anyone on the planet before or since (for me.)

21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

This describes a singular event in human history done, in my view, to a people who murdered the Son of God and subsequently persecuted 100s of the sons and daughters of God made by Christ’s shed blood purely because they were jealous and so allowed Satan to direct their deeds. They were evil beyond endurance and all the blood of all the murdered prophets was laid upon them as Jesus said. They were judged by God on this earth for what they did. That’s over and done.

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No it isn't over and done, because NT believers have entered their labor.
Jesus said the blood of all prophets would be on them because the prophets testified of our Savior. And so do we.

The tribulation is a "singular" (One) event, because we're one in him. His death is the great tribulation believers experience, some to greater degrees, but all have a willing heart.
The abomination that causes desolation is the wanton murder of Christ. Wanting God out of ones life. Wanting him dead. And the beast (Rome) and false prophet religious leaders who hate God) stood in the holy place (in the judgment seat of God.)

eddif said:

It may be too late to enter this potentially great thread.
Jesus is defeating the enemies one by one (or the defeats are manifested one by one).

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I agree.

eddif said:

Revelation 19 seems to be the first resurrection with the destruction of the beast ++

Revelation 20 seems to be the second resurrection with victories.

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I believe Rev.19 & 20 are synonymou, one from an earthly view, the other from heaven.

eddif said:

The last enemy is death. At that time frame Jesus turns th kingdom back over to the Father.

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The Messiah doesn't "turn Gods' Kingdom back to him" in the sense of ownership, but in the sense of how things always have been, in showing via the cross how merciful God has always been toward mankind. When we see Jesus "submitted" to God (that is as God by the (submission of) the resurrection.

eddif said:

I realize that there is much more to say. If these few comments are not accepted ???

I wish we had a visual time line. I can not so far build a 1000 word timeline in my head.

eddif

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That's ok eddif. We're all learning. To me, the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is a good title, because that's what it's all about.

journeyman said:

I agree.

I believe Rev.19 & 20 are synonymou, one from an earthly view, the other from heaven.

The Messiah doesn't "turn Gods' Kingdom back to him" in the sense of ownership, but in the sense of how things always have been, in showing via the cross how merciful God has always been toward mankind. When we see Jesus "submitted" to God (that is as God by the (submission of) the resurrection.

That's ok eddif. We're all learning. To me, the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is a good title, because that's what it's all about.

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The tares are harvested first.
eddif

Consecrated Life said:

You need to familiarize yourself with Zachariah's prophesy concerning Jesus's return on the Mount of Olives
You are right that Jesus certainly walked the Mount of Olives while He was here the first time.
But Zachariah says that when He comes again the entire Mount of Olives will be split in two at the touch of His feet:

Zec 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

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I'm familiar with the passage. Ancient rabbis realized Jerusalem is surrounded by mountains. The splitting of Mt. Olivet would cause the valleys between the mountains to the north and south to close. It's rendered this way in the Septuagint.
Azal speaks of nobility, or highness. so the Messiah the valley to reach the mountain tops.
Spiritually speaking, our great Lord has and is doing this now, by the "valley"he created, which is humility (Isa.40:4, Lk.3:5.)

eddif said:

Revelation 20:5 kjv
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

There are two resurrections. Near the end of time.

There are about 10 raised from the dead instances (mostly individuals).

Three groups;
Saints at Jesus’s resurrection.
Revelation 19 resurrection
Revelation 20 resurrection

I can post scriptures, but come on folks I think most can read. May not want to read LOL.

This year has been a year of learning for me. Previous to this month I thought the mini saints resurrection at the resurrection of Jesus was the first resurrection. Wrong.
Revelation 19 First
Revelation 20 Second

I basically may agree with for_his_glory about 1000 years is a day, but my belief does not exactly follow her formula. Not a big deal, because somewhere along this time:
Time will be no more.

Time started on day four
Time stops when the stars fall from heaven.

Are all rednecks ignorant?
Chief of rednecks
eddif

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I believe the thousand years ends when the last person comes to faith in Christ, who is the resurrection (Jn.11:25). We lived and reigned with him, over the enemy who thought lopping off our heads would stop Gods' victory. He proved death can't stop him.

eddif said:

The tares are harvested first.
eddif

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The final separation between believers and unbelievers is in the blink of an eye.

Every time I read this title I think of ww1

jasonc said:

Every time I read this title I think of ww1

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Very good.

Spanish flu won.

eddif

jasonc said:

Every time I read this title I think of ww1

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It was for those who died.

Zechariah 14:1-11 is the prophecy given of the coming day of Christ when He will plant His feet on the Mount of Olives to fight the final battle called Armageddon. This happens on the last day and is not speaking about the destruction of Jerusalem by the hands of the Roman army in 70AD. We read this again in Rev 19:11-16 where Jesus comes down from heaven with His army of angels as at that time He returns as King of kings and Lord of lords come to conqueror His enemies making them His footstool as He takes back the nations from Satan. At that time before the battle begins we will have been caught up to Him while He destroys the beast and the false prophet by the brightness of His coming and the words He speaks of their destruction casting them alive into the lake of fire and then destroying the remnant that followed after the beast.

Now we come to Rev 20:1-6 where Satan is bound for a time so he can no longer deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled. Then he will be let loose at the end of the thousand years to gather his own for the final battle called Armageddon as he sends out his army to surround the camp of the saints and God sends fire down and consumes his army and Satan will then be cast into the lake of fire.

journeyman said:

I'm familiar with the passage. Ancient rabbis realized Jerusalem is surrounded by mountains. The splitting of Mt. Olivet would cause the valleys between the mountains to the north and south to close. It's rendered this way in the Septuagint.

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Well adapting that bit of geological inside information into the passage was certainly no skin of the noses of the "Ancient rabbis ".
But if creative fictional writing was their stock and trade as you say what would cause them in the same passage to identify themselves as the ones who would one day pierce their own Messiah & nail Him to a tree, and bring destruction upon themselves?
Seems to me the religious elite thought more highly of themselves than to write in themselves as the Messiahs killers.
Why did they do that ?

Zec 13:6
"And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."

Consecrated Life said:

Well adapting that bit of geological inside information into the passage was certainly no skin of the noses of the "Ancient rabbis ".
But if creative fictional writing was their stock and trade as you say what would cause them in the same passage to identify themselves as the ones who would one day pierce their own Messiah & nail Him to a tree, and bring destruction upon themselves?
Seems to me the religious elite thought more highly of themselves than to write in themselves as the Messiahs killers.
Why did they do that ?

Zec 13:6
"And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."

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The rabbis' didn't write the scriptures. They interpreted them. I'm not saying they interpreted the valley to be lowliness, I said that of their interpretation that the vally would be stopped up and reach to the top.
Jesus put everyone, regardless of status, on an even plain.
The dying of the Messiah was known to the rabbis' of old, but a mystery to them.

eddif said:

for_his_glory
The comment was about 2ea. Resurrections.
Revelation 20:5

Play fair now. LOL

eddif

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Ok, let's see if I can nut shell this as I see all things happening very quickly as in the twinkling of an eye when Christ returns on the last day, which includes the resurrection, the millennium reign, the battle of Armageddon and the great White Throne judgement. Man loves to make a time table, but yet all things are in God's timing and who can truly know what that would be.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

All means two sets of people that have died and lay in their graves as one set is resurrected to life eternal with Christ (sheep) and the other set resurrected to damnation (goats) being cast into the lake of fire as all happens in the final judgement. Matthew 25:31-46; 2Corinthians 5:10

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.





Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Scripture does not teach two resurrections of the dead, but two separate judgements at the final judgement as in the sheep on His right hand and the goats on His left hand, Matthew 25:31-33. The rest of the dead

eddif said:

Play fair now. LOL

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journeyman said:

The rabbis' didn't write the scriptures. They interpreted them. I'm not saying they interpreted the valley to be lowliness, I said that of their interpretation that the vally would be stopped up and reach to the top.
Jesus put everyone, regardless of status, on an even plain.
The dying of the Messiah was known to the rabbis' of old, but a mystery to them.

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So what event did the rabbis' interpret from Zachariah as causing the Mount Olives to split in two ?

Matthew 13:30 kjv
30. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

eddif

Consecrated Life said:

You actually believe that Satan believed that the Son of God was completely ignorant to the fact that He already owned the earth, and was tempting the Son of God on that basis ?

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No. How stupid of Satan to think Jesus would ever worship him in the first place.

for_his_glory said:

No. How stupid of Satan to think Jesus would ever worship him in the first place.

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So with Satan having nothing to tempt Jesus with, and Jesus also knowing he had nothing to tempt Him with,
how was Satan able to tempt Him , as the scriptures say he did ?

Mat 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

I got a question that I can't seem to find the answer.

Now I know the Mount of Olives sits on the Syrian-African rift which is a fault line that runs the length of the border between Israel and the Jordon, Zechariah 14:4-5 and here is my question. Since we are already caught up to Christ when He returns and are with Him when He plants His feet on the Mt of Olives that will split in half who is it that needs to flee to the valley of the mountains that reaches out towards Azal?

Consecrated Life said:

So with Satan having nothing to tempt Jesus with, and Jesus also knowing he had nothing to tempt Him with,
how was Satan able to tempt Him , as the scriptures say he did ?

Mat 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

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Tell ya what since this has nothing to do with the OP, if you want to start a new thread on this tag me into it as we are getting totally off topic.