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The War To End All Wars

We know our Lord in battle against all the powers of darkness defeated them, along with death.
After his victory, we're told we are soldiers who go to battle against spiritual wickedness, conquering them with our King who never leaves us.
The Bible tells us our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will come with his saints in a final battle against the beast and his army (Rev.19). This sounds exactly like the war we're currently engaged in, with the exception that the beast and false prophet aren't cast into the lake of fire, or is their army completely annihilated yet. Regardless, we can confidently say Christ has already defeated the beast, as the beast represents world empires, one of which is Rome, whom Jesus defeated when Pilate sentenced him to death.
So if we now go to war with our Lord and overcome all evil, what need is there to come with him in the future to do those things?
Is it possible that Rev.19 shows from a heavenly minded view what's happening now and that the beast is simply burned after our war to the last believer has ended?

It may be too late to enter this potentially great thread.
Jesus is defeating the enemies one by one (or the defeats are manifested one by one).

Revelation 19 seems to be the first resurrection with the destruction of the beast ++

Revelation 20 seems to be the second resurrection with victories.

The last enemy is death. At that time frame Jesus turns th kingdom back over to the Father.

I realize that there is much more to say. If these few comments are not accepted ???

I wish we had a visual time line. I can not so far build a 1000 word timeline in my head.

eddif
 
Consecrated Life said:
What is the name of this anoited one who is given possession of the earth from God ?

Psa 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.



If Jesus had taken possession of the world when He came how would it have been possible for Satan to Tempt Him with all the kingdoms of the world ?
Notice Jesus never questioned Satan's possession of this world as he tempted Him with it :



..Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
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Mat 4:9
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Did Jesus not have the rule over Satan before the foundation of the world? Yes or no

Was Jesus not the word before the foundation of the world and He that created the heavens and the earth? Yes or no

Jesus rules the world and the universe and that is why He could not be tempted. Satan is that of the evil principality of the world that Jesus has already defeated by His birth, death and resurrection as Jesus has already conquered death for all who will believe in Him. You and I can not battle Satan as the battle belongs to the Lord.
 
The scribes and pharisees believed Jesus would land on the Mount of Olives and it would be split in two ?
Were did you read that ?

Zec 14:4

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
They read the OT too and believed the Messiah would come to earth and set up his government in Jerusalem and the Jews would rule the world from Jerusalem. It would be an aggressive onslaught from outside.
 
Did Jesus not have the rule over Satan before the foundation of the world? Yes or no

Was Jesus not the word before the foundation of the world and He that created the heavens and the earth? Yes or no

Jesus rules the world and the universe and that is why He could not be tempted. Satan is that of the evil principality of the world that Jesus has already defeated by His birth, death and resurrection as Jesus has already conquered death for all who will believe in Him. You and I can not battle Satan as the battle belongs to the Lord.
The Word of God says that Jesus was "tempted" with Satan's granted possession of the all the earth's kingdoms.
Read God's Word written in the clear, literal, English language .
For me I will take God's Word for it that tempted means tempted.
You are certainly allowed to disagree with God .

Mat 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Mat 4:9
..Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
 
They read the OT too and believed the Messiah would come to earth and set up his government in Jerusalem and the Jews would rule the world from Jerusalem. It would be an aggressive onslaught from outside.
So in believing the prophet Zechariah about the Messiah's return atop Mount of olives did these scribes and pharisees really believe that included detail of themselves being evil enough to have first nailed their Messiah to a tree ?
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Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
 
It may be too late to enter this potentially great thread.
Jesus is defeating the enemies one by one (or the defeats are manifested one by one).

Revelation 19 seems to be the first resurrection with the destruction of the beast ++

Revelation 20 seems to be the second resurrection with victories.

The last enemy is death. At that time frame Jesus turns th kingdom back over to the Father.

I realize that there is much more to say. If these few comments are not accepted ???

I wish we had a visual time line. I can not so far build a 1000 word timeline in my head.

eddif
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, Rev 19:11-21, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (one resurrection, two different judgements)

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

When I read all the scriptures of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and these scriptures that speak about the judgement of Christ, the Great White throne judgement where God is sitting on the throne and the books that are opened, Matthew 25:31-34; John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4-6; Rev 20:11, 12, this makes me believe that at the Great White Throne judgement God will be sitting on His throne and Jesus is there seated at Gods right hand now on His throne of glory. All (saints and sinners) have been called from their graves (one resurrection) and the sheep are then separated from the goats as the sheep, being those of God and His Son will stand before the judgement seat of Christ as they have been given their new glorified bodies and their names found in the book of life. They will then be judged for their good works they did as being the continued works of the Lord being in Gods will and receive their crown rewards and their inheritance of the Kingdom of God. The goats being those who are not Gods will be judged out of the other books and their judgement is that of rejecting God and His Son and their punishment is being cast into the lake of fire.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
 
So in believing the prophet Zechariah about the Messiah's return atop Mount of olives did these scribes and pharisees really believe that included detail of themselves being evil enough to have first nailed their Messiah to a tree ?
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Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
They didn’t believe he was the Messiah. Isn’t that obvious? He didn’t come and start to take control of the world as expected.
 
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Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, Rev 19:11-21, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (one resurrection, two different judgements)

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

When I read all the scriptures of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and these scriptures that speak about the judgement of Christ, the Great White throne judgement where God is sitting on the throne and the books that are opened, Matthew 25:31-34; John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4-6; Rev 20:11, 12, this makes me believe that at the Great White Throne judgement God will be sitting on His throne and Jesus is there seated at Gods right hand now on His throne of glory. All (saints and sinners) have been called from their graves (one resurrection) and the sheep are then separated from the goats as the sheep, being those of God and His Son will stand before the judgement seat of Christ as they have been given their new glorified bodies and their names found in the book of life. They will then be judged for their good works they did as being the continued works of the Lord being in Gods will and receive their crown rewards and their inheritance of the Kingdom of God. The goats being those who are not Gods will be judged out of the other books and their judgement is that of rejecting God and His Son and their punishment is being cast into the lake of fire.

Scripture never speaks of two resurrections, but only one resurrection, John 5:28, 29 and a second death being that of death and hell being cast into the lake of fire, Rev 20:14, 15. There are two separate judgements, but only one resurrection as all will occur at the same time at the Great White Throne Judgement then will God renew the heaven and earth and usher down the New Jerusalem.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
A 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
for_his_glory

Revelation 20:5 kjv
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

eddif
 
For me I will take God's Word for it that tempted means tempted.
And where did I say that Satan did not tempt Jesus
The Word of God says that Jesus was "tempted" with Satan's granted possession of the all the earth's kingdoms.
Read God's Word written in the clear, literal, English language .
For me I will take God's Word for it that tempted means tempted.
You are certainly allowed to disagree with God .

Mat 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Mat 4:9
..Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Christ already owned all those things as He was the one who created the heaven and the earth and all that was within it. Satan was only trying to give what Jesus already owned, John 1:1-14.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
 
Consecrated Life, you do realize that if he comes the same way as he left, he is NOT coming on horseback with an armed escort ready to slay the unbelievers (which actually describes Mohammed pretty accurately, come to think of it.) 🤔
 
for_his_glory

Revelation 20:5 kjv
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

eddif
I don't believe in a literal 1000 years after Jesus returns, but only see it being symbolic in its numbering like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

IMO everything happens quickly on the last day when Christ returns as it's only man that tries to set time lines that are different then God's. Why would it take a literal 1000 years after we are caught up to Christ for He to make an end of all transgressions here on earth.

I have asked this same question for years as what will we be doing for a literal 1000 years after being caught up to Christ before the ushering down of the New Jerusalem and no one seems to be able to answer this question.

Nut shell. Jesus returns, we are caught up to Him, He destroys the beast and the false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire, Satan is bound for a time and then set loose to surround the camp of the saints as Jesus fights the final battle of Armageddon casting Satan into the lake of fire and then comes the final judgement called the Great White Throne judgement of God where the sheep and the goats are separated and judged by the good or the bad they did. New heaven and new earth created, New Jerusalem ushered down, will then be with Christ for eternity as the others are cast into the lake of fire.
 
They didn’t believe he was the Messiah. Isn’t that obvious? He didn’t come and start to take control of the world as expected
Zechariah's prophesy, written a long time before Jesus came along, says these scribes & pharisees will kill the Messiah .
No matter what or who they think of him, they are prophesized by God to do so .
They are destined to kill him.
This was written long before Jesus was even a baby .

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Zec 12:10
... they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


You may believe that the scribes and pharisees looked at this passage and believed it described themselves & how they would pierce their messiah, but I certainly don't.
I think the scribes and pharisees looked at this and said among themselves:
" this Zachariah is nuts, we are to smart & holy to ever make such a terrible mistake "
Zechariah even goes further.
He prophesizes that because of this rejection & killing of their messiah they will suffer severe punishment:


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Zec 14:2
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
 
You just got done saying He has already returned and established His earthly rule.
Now you are saying he didn't.
Sounds like you have all bases covered.

"He has done that," (journeyman)
He put his feet upon the Mt. of Olives during his earthly ministry.
You just got done saying He has already returned and established His earthly rule.
Now you are saying he didn't.
Sounds like you have all bases covered.

"He has done that," (journeyman)
He proved his rule over all by defeating all comers...including death. No one can top that.
God has always ruled. The point is, we didn always know it. We do now. And he left us in charge of his property and gave us instruction on how to reign in mercy over others, as he gave example.
 
I don't believe in a literal 1000 years after Jesus returns, but only see it being symbolic in its numbering like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

IMO everything happens quickly on the last day when Christ returns as it's only man that tries to set time lines that are different then God's. Why would it take a literal 1000 years after we are caught up to Christ for He to make an end of all transgressions here on earth.

I have asked this same question for years as what will we be doing for a literal 1000 years after being caught up to Christ before the ushering down of the New Jerusalem and no one seems to be able to answer this question.

Nut shell. Jesus returns, we are caught up to Him, He destroys the beast and the false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire, Satan is bound for a time and then set loose to surround the camp of the saints as Jesus fights the final battle of Armageddon casting Satan into the lake of fire and then comes the final judgement called the Great White Throne judgement of God where the sheep and the goats are separated and judged by the good or the bad they did. New heaven and new earth created, New Jerusalem ushered down, will then be with Christ for eternity as the others are cast into the lake of fire.
for_his_glory
The comment was about 2ea. Resurrections.
Revelation 20:5

Play fair now. LOL

eddif
 
Christ already owned all those things as He was the one who created the heaven and the earth and all that was within it. Satan was only trying to give what Jesus already owned, John 1:1-14.
You actually believe that Satan believed that the Son of God was completely ignorant to the fact that He already owned the earth, and was tempting the Son of God on that basis ?
 
He put his feet upon the Mt. of Olives during his earthly ministry.
You need to familiarize yourself with Zachariah's prophesy concerning Jesus's return on the Mount of Olives
You are right that Jesus certainly walked the Mount of Olives while He was here the first time.
But Zachariah says that when He comes again the entire Mount of Olives will be split in two at the touch of His feet:


Zec 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
 
What does that have to do with eschatology? The fact is many many rich died in ease and comfort. You can give me Bible verses that tell you they don’t, but you have to deny the facts.
I'm mot giving you Bible verses that say otherwise. Do you think Jesus was teaching that everybody hearing him and not repenting, would have a tower fall on them? Or have Pilate mingle their blood with sacrifices?
What happens AFTER death is different, but that has nothing to do with eschatology.
A persons' death has everything to do with "end times", because it's the end of their life. We need to get away from the idea that our Lord was only talking about people in the distant future.
Christ wasn’t there yet so he didn’t enter through Christ, but this is addressing final judgement not eschatology.
All OT saints has the Spirit of Christ around them.
True, but that has nothing to do with eschatology.

Your position is God will be punishing the whole world at once soon and I ask for what. Citing me verses regarding INDIVIDUAL judgement based on each individual’s deeds done in the body doesn’t answer the question.

Now I admit that this is a problem in your eschatology that you probably cannot answer. It’s also a question no one has likely asked before. But it occurred to me and knowing the ways of God, your position doesn’t fit. He never wiped out a people group cause they dared not to believe in Him. The charges were always and without exception much more severe.
I don't even understand your post. I don't know where I gave the impression God will punish the whole world soon. He does that daily and probably has multiple reasons for doing so.
I think your next post will clear up apparent contradictions.
 
It has everything to do with it, because all will be resurrected at the last day, the end of time as we know it.
Revelation 20:5 kjv
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

There are two resurrections. Near the end of time.

There are about 10 raised from the dead instances (mostly individuals).

Three groups;
Saints at Jesus’s resurrection.
Revelation 19 resurrection
Revelation 20 resurrection

I can post scriptures, but come on folks I think most can read. May not want to read LOL.

This year has been a year of learning for me. Previous to this month I thought the mini saints resurrection at the resurrection of Jesus was the first resurrection. Wrong.
Revelation 19 First
Revelation 20 Second

I basically may agree with for_his_glory about 1000 years is a day, but my belief does not exactly follow her formula. Not a big deal, because somewhere along this time:
Time will be no more.

Time started on day four
Time stops when the stars fall from heaven.

Are all rednecks ignorant?
Chief of rednecks
eddif
 
You need to familiarize yourself with Zachariah's prophesy concerning Jesus's return on the Mount of Olives
You are right that Jesus certainly walked the Mount of Olives while He was here the first time.
But Zachariah says that when He comes again the entire Mount of Olives will be split in two at the touch of His feet:


Zec 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
At the time Jesus was crucified there was an earthquake that released coffins.

eddif
 
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