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    OSAS The Truth

    Are you assuming because Paul told them to deliver that sinner unto satan that he died instantly?
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    OSAS The Truth

    We are justified the moment we believe. Sanctification occurs the rest of our lives.
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    OSAS The Truth

    Paul said so that his spirit may be saved, not that his spirit will be saved. Paul prayed to deliver him to satan. That would either bring him back to God if he were a true believer, or would reveal he was never genuine beliver at all.
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    The difference in the rapture and the second coming

    Are you saying these verses describe the rapture. They do not. This is the reaping unto judgement setting up the millennial kingdom. In the verses prior to this we read His coming will be like the days of Noah. Who were left on earth during the flood? The righteous were saved from the flood and...
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    OSAS The Truth

    See what James has to say about salvation. In James 2 he says he could show you his faith by his works. One is not saved by their works but they are saved for their works. Also see what Paul said about his struggle with sin in Romans 7. You will never stop sinning but you should start to not...
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    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    I agree with what you've said about 1 Thes 4, but the events described in Matthew 24 are very different.
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    That was just my understanding. If I kidnapped your slave I suppose you could say I stole him. If you stole my slave I might say you kidnapped him.It kinda works both ways.
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    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    Thanks for working thru this with me JLB and I apologize for coming across a little rough. We'll eventually come to an agreement on this. My question is this. When do those who sleep in Christ get their glorified bodies and what is the time difference between those who sleep and those that...
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    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    I believe this is referring to stealing another man's slave.
  10. R

    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    Maybe because it takes 20 years to execute. Criminals are pro gun control.
  11. R

    Christians? Using self-defense and Guns?

    Ex 21:12 He that smiteth a man so that he die shall surely be put to death. This is the grounds for capital punishment. Ex. 21:15 He that smiteth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death. This is God's protection for the home. Ex 21:16 He that stealeth a man and selleth him or if...
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    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    You have a contradiction in your own post. How can God bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus if He hasn't already come to get them? How do you reconcile the many signs given for His second coming but we aren't given any signs for the rapture. Also, in Mathew 24 we are told at His second coming...
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    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    Also, we aren't given any signs for the rapture, but here in Matthew there are many signs given for His coming for judgement.
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    Bible Study Is Hell Eternal, Anhialation or temporary??

    There is a mistaken assumption that God is the source of the torment in hell. Look how bad man can get in his 70 years here on earth while the holy spirit is restraining evil. Imagine what it would be like if man has thousands of thousands of years to grow in his evil ways. If you've heard the...
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    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    How does Mathew 24 have anything to do with 1 Thes 4:16-17. Those are two separate events as I already showed you. In 1 Thes 4:16-17, Christ comes alone to gather His church. In Mathew 24:31 Christ sends His angels to gather the elect. Very different. The rapture in 1 Thes 4:16-17 is prior to...
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    Bible Study Is Hell Eternal, Anhialation or temporary??

    Hell is eternal, but God does not want any to spend eternity there. All who go to hell freely choose that. Should God take away free will and annihilate those who have clearly made a different decision? We all have a choice. Also, I don't read in the bible that God is the source of the torment...
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    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    I thought we were discussing Mathew 24, but since you quoted 1 Thes 16-17 let's have a look. The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout. The dead in Christ first, then those who are alive will be caught up. Now compare to Matthew 24:31. And He will send His angels with a great sound...
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    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    Sorry, you're right. I meant from what Jesus was prophesying in Matthew 24.
  19. R

    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    The church has already been raptured so this has nothing to do with the church or rapture. Also, he doesn't send angels to gather the church, Jesus Himself comes for His church. Here, He sends His angels to gather His elect, the nation Israel,l to bring them back to their land.
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    Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

    The church or rapture is not addressed in this chapter.
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