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Pre-Tribulation, Mid-Tribulation, or Post-Tribulation?

Nintentacle said:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 24&version=KJV
That's all you need to know.
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To complete that sentence: "...as a basic outline of what major events will occur until the Second Coming of Christ".

Since all Scripture is given by inspiration of God for doctrine... (2 Tim 3:16) then Christians must needs search the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation to lay hold on prophetic Bible truth, comparing Scripture with Scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Kathi said:
So what are you saying?Can you tell me along with posting Scripture?There are people on here that believe in all three.
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or there that there is no great tribulation lasting seven years that is to come.
 
jasonc said:
or there that there is no great tribulation lasting seven years that is to come.
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You are right, in that some will outright reject the truth of a seven year Tribulation Period. That does not mean they are correct. Some believe that we are already in the Millenium! That does not make it so.
 
Malachi said:
You are right, in that some will outright reject the truth of a seven year Tribulation Period. That does not mean they are correct. Some believe that we are already in the Millenium! That does not make it so.
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If they read the Bible in a literal way they can not miss the 7 year tribulation.And if they read Revelation and take it for what it says no way could they say that we are in the Millennium.
 
Malachi said:
You are right, in that some will outright reject the truth of a seven year Tribulation Period. That does not mean they are correct. Some believe that we are already in the Millenium! That does not make it so.
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as amil I don't believe were in the millennium just that there is none. at least no what pre mil. post mil and amil is.
 
Kathi said:
If they read the Bible in a literal way they can not miss the 7 year tribulation.And if they read Revelation and take it for what it says no way could they say that we are in the Millennium.
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Kathi,
The sad thing is that Augustine put a lot of Christians on the wrong track with his City of God, since he believed that he was already in the Millenium. We need to search the Scriptures (Genesis to Revelation) in order to determine "if these things be so". We also need to look around us objectively and with spiritual discenrment.
 
Malachi said:
Well, that a real shame, but to each his own.
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for what?

this isn't a topic or forum for debate. so unlike the other thread I derailed I will post this once for thought.
when did the YHWH loose his throne. its never said satan took that. when did the LORD loose control of the earth , in the tanach it says he raises up kings and nations and allows them to fall. satan does that?whom controlled(owned) satan during the book of job?

so why pray if you really believe that jesus doesn't have any power now over the earth?
 
jasonc said:
for what?

this isn't a topic or forum for debate. so unlike the other thread I derailed I will post this once for thought.
when did the YHWH loose his throne. its never said satan took that. when did the LORD loose control of the earth , in the tanach it says he raises up kings and nations and allows them to fall. satan does that?whom controlled(owned) satan during the book of job?

so why pray if you really believe that jesus doesn't have any power now over the earth?
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How can you read Revelation correctly and think their is no Millennium?
 
Kathi said:
How can you read Revelation correctly and think their is no Millennium?
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its not that I don't, its that I don't see it as the church teaches it. since you asked.
1) ancient isreal had two tribes that by jewry weren't really Hebrew. yup mannaseh and Ephraim, sons of an Egyptian convert.
2) the massive multitude of Egyptians that went with isreal into canaan
3) how many Hebrews are there in the world at the most? less then 10%
4)if a group of saved goyim are in vero beach having church during the millennium are they jews or Christians?
5) how can one logistically fit the entire world in one city called jersusalem and call the land isreal at the same time? if the world population is say 1 billion at the end of the trib how many will it be at the end of it to do the feasts of tabernacles?
6) show me where jesus says that isreal is a church now and not one when he returns by context or an idea such as the words trinity and rapture.
 
Jason,

Without getting into any of the issues that you raise, Christians in general must accept -- from Scripture that God has three distinct plans:
(a) for the Church [(Jew and Gentile in one Body),
(b) for redeemed and restored Israel, and
(c) for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the enemies of God and of Christ.

Once we get this clearly in our minds, we can begin to sort through the Bible prophecies for the development and conclusion of each plan. What happened a long time ago is that many Christians confused the Church with Israel, and also did not take Bible prophecies literally. When Zionist Israel was established in 1948, Bible students began to search the Scriptures again.
 
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Malachi said:
Jason,

Without getting in to any of the issues you raise, Christians in general must accept -- from Scripture that God has three distinct plans:
(a) for the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body),
(b) for redeemed and restored Israel, and
(c) for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the enemies of God and of Christ.s

Once we get this clearly in our minds, we can begin to sort through the Bible prophecies for the development and conclusion of each plan. What happeed a long time ago is that many Christians confused the Church with Israel, and also did not take Bible prophecies literally. When Zionist Israel was established in 1948, Bible students began to search the Scriptures again.
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so uhm there weren't bible students prior to that? what exactly was the man scholfield and when did the bible literacy go that bad?

so what is the other trees in that parable? learn ye the parable of the fig tree ..the Lord did say that. if were to take that chapter literally then Jerusalem falls and doesn't come back, it doesn't say twice it shall be trampled upon until the time of the gentiles ends. but once. so what part is to be said fulfilled.

I take the bible as literal as possible, in that chapter all is all. all these things, so does Jerusalem fall again? yes or no.

so when those in isreal or in America repent it doesn't say where these are that come to hm just they they do. what is the difference if im in vero beach and worshipping god via the gentile method of only the basics and simplicity we do today and some jew in isreal doing the messianic method which honestly is the same. shabat services aren't complicated and also are done on the shabat which is but a day and method and style. the bible is read in both places. people are saved and baptism and the communion are done.

if that is the case in the millennium. what is the difference then?
 
Ricko said:
The church or rapture is not addressed in this chapter.
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The Resurrection and Rapture which are one event are mentioned, along with the those who are Christ's.

24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
Mark 13:24-27

The Church saints who are in heaven, and the Church saints who are on earth will be gathered, at His Coming.

This is the Resurrection, which happens just before the Rapture as One event!


The Resurrection and Rapture can not be separated.



JLB
 
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jasonc said:
its not that I don't, its that I don't see it as the church teaches it. since you asked.
1) ancient isreal had two tribes that by jewry weren't really Hebrew. yup mannaseh and Ephraim, sons of an Egyptian convert.
2) the massive multitude of Egyptians that went with isreal into canaan
3) how many Hebrews are there in the world at the most? less then 10%
4)if a group of saved goyim are in vero beach having church during the millennium are they jews or Christians?
5) how can one logistically fit the entire world in one city called jersusalem and call the land isreal at the same time? if the world population is say 1 billion at the end of the trib how many will it be at the end of it to do the feasts of tabernacles?
6) show me where jesus says that isreal is a church now and not one when he returns by context or an idea such as the words trinity and rapture.
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The Bible teaches that the 1000 year Kingdom will be literal.How to you interpret Zechariah 14:4,9;Jeremiah 23:5-8;Daniel 7:13-14,27?
To read the Bible other than the way God intended is dangerous because of
Revelation 22:18-19
A Warning
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
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