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    The "Elect"

    Of course I believe in the total depravity of man - and it in no way contradicts my earlier beliefs about the possibility that the jailer could have been regenerated after Acts 16:30. I simply attribute this to the limitations of language - when I begin to boil a bowl of milk, I've already...
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    The "Elect"

    This is such a simplistic argument - do we throw out the doctrine of the Holy Trinity as mere dogma by the same measure just because the term doesn't exist in the NT? While the term total depravity does not exist in the NT, I am referring to Rom 3:9-19, Rom 7:18 and Rom 8:7-8 by it. Would you...
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    The "Elect"

    As I've mentioned in post#107 - Regeneration, as I've understood it, is God's work of taking away the hardened stony heart of man in the flesh, and giving him a new heart - and of birthing him in the renewed spirit. While this inevitably leads to salvation, this is not all of salvation -...
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    The "Elect"

    Saying faith is an indicator of regeneration and that it is always the result of regeneration, proves that Spurgeon believed faith succeeded regeneration - for what results must follow whatever caused the result, isn't it? Apply Spurgeon's quote again - "Faith can never exist except in the...
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    The "Elect"

    While acknowledging that all analogies are insufficient or lacking in some aspect or the other - Concerning Preaching the Gospel, Regeneration and Faith, I've managed a crude analogy to picture - A man who is prone to indulging in oily and fatty foods keeps piling on the fat and cholesterol in...
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    The "Elect"

    As it should be. It just so happens that we're on a thread with an OP citing calvinism and where its consistency is being discussed with respect to regeneration of the elect. I'm not sure 'heart' is used to refer to the soul or self - nevertheless, the last statement summarizes it well. If the...
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    The "Elect"

    Haha. I have not read any of Sproul's works, neither have I verified his clarifications/context. But if all that you state is as it is, then it's a good thing that it was Sproul being inconsistent on this and not Paul or any of the other Scripture writers. Are you confusing the preaching of the...
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    The "Elect"

    I'm quite confused here. Are you stating that some have actually been found to be doers of the law? If so, then they'd have attained unto the righteousness of the law(Rom 10:5,Gal 3:12,Lev 18:5) setting them apart from even needing Christ. I do not read Rom 2 stating anyone to actually be a doer...
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    The "Elect"

    Exactly. They wouldn't. And since I believe in the total depravity of man in the flesh, none, no not one, seeketh after God. Then it necessitates that this man in the flesh must be regenerated in the spirit before he seeks after God and believes in Him - hence the belief that regeneration...
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    The "Elect"

    Yes, I do believe regeneration precedes faith. I have stated where I come from in post#88 of this thread. Firstly, what is it that you hold to be 'regeneration' - we must agree upon a common understanding of what we each refer to by a term, before we can discuss further on the topic...
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    The "Elect"

    Yes, hence their references to Israel being the children of Promise. But notice too, that while there is the election of a people, there is also the election of individuals within that - Isaac and not Ishmael, Jacob and not Esau, who could claim to be the children of Promise to whom the...
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    The "Elect"

    If God primarily desires none to perish, it follows He must do everything within His power to result in that case scenario - which further entails He must not even create all those whom He foreknows to remain unbelievers. Why Matt 26:24 - "it is better for this man if he was not born" when it is...
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    The "Elect"

    This is a good starting point. We're agreed upon the fact that man does not have the inherent capacity to believe the Gospel and that God must do the enabling in such a man to believe in the Person of Christ. And we're also agreed upon the fact that such an enabling to believe is all of grace...
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    The "Elect"

    There have been several important points discussed on this thread thus far, and I shall attempt explaining my faith on all those as and when I can - but I've identified this to be the crux of the matter, at least for myself. I do not identify myself as anything but Christian, but my doctrinal...
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    Faith without works?

    Amen. Why are these two concepts being treated as completely independent events? Is there no direct connection at all between one's faith and one's walking by the Spirit - why can't I proclaim that one who has truly been justified through faith into the good graces of God, will be continually...
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    What is Election?

    Acknowledged. But you make faith to be the basis of entry into this union, right? If C is dependent on B, and B is dependent on A - is it illogical to say C depends on A? I agree with 1John 5:12 - but why are you equating "regeneration" to be exactly the same as "eternal life"? Regeneration is...
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    What is Election?

    I guess we're not on the same page concerning semantics here. I do differentiate between "election" - and the "criteria for justification". God, through the Gospel, commands all men everywhere to believe in Christ and sets forth that as the "criteria for justification". 1. You seem to hold...
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    What is Election?

    If this election is based or dependent on one's belief/unbelief in Christ - how is it an 'unconditional election' of grace, independent of what the objects of election do? I'd wanted to know how you reconcile Rom 9:11,16 with there being a basis of election dependent on the will of man. This...
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    What is Election?

    What did God harden "most of Israel"(the non-remnant) against - aren't we talking about the Gospel of Christ(Rom 9:3) here? How does your worldview reconcile such unconditional election of people with respect to the Gospel even if it's only for a specific instance? I thought I was doing just...
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    What is Election?

    On what basis is the remnant elected here? Are the remnant elected because they believed - or were they led to believe because they were elected. We know that the remnant were elected by an election of grace(Rom 11:5). And that election of grace is purposed in God Himself independent of what...
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