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    Message to GOD"S elect

    Have you ever heard of the "ordo salutis" (order of salvation)? There is an order of things preformed by the Holy Spirit to accomplish salvation. You could wiki that term, and I am guessing they have something. Within the logical order of things accomplished by the Holy Spirit to accomplish...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    Scripturally, it is related to the New Covenant. It is the circumcision of the heart. Even before the New Covenant, Moses speaks of regeneration as a heart circumcision that causes Israel to love God. Deu 30:6 And Jehovah thy God will circumcise thy heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    When Spurgeon says.... "If I am to preach faith in Christ to a man who is regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved already, and it is an unnecessary and ridiculous thing for me to preach Christ to him, and bid him to believe in order to be saved when he is saved already, being...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    Romans 9 is a great passage to reveal bad assumptions about the necessity of God giving everyone an equal chance. God commanded Pharaoh to "Let my people go." Did this mean that God is obliged to enable Pharaoh to let the people of Israel go? 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, For...
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    Freewill religion ! - Part 2

    Re: Freewill religion is the Man of Sin ! - Part 2 By the term "equivocation" I assume that you are referring to the logical fallacy? If the term ειλατο refers to election, I am merely calling it by the biblical term. This is not to say that I do not recognize the discussion on the meaning...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    All men have sinned because they are sinners, and only faith in the shed blood of Christ can save them. What else would you expect?
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    It is true that the Father draws and the Holy Spirit convicts, but the NT statements on justification do not mention any other requirement then faith. Faith alone is the only requirement for justification. Faith alone is the only gospel. You are muddying the waters by confusing several...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    Hmm, concerning RC, maybe I will have to research this a little more. It could be that RC allows for the regeneration of John the Baptist before birth. I doubt he is taking this to be a general rule, but may mention it as a possible exception. The problem is that I am not sure what he is...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    [/COLOR] Deborah, it would be great if you could read Calvinists and understand what they are saying. The only thing Spurgeon ever did was to use the term "particular redemption" instead of limited atonement (I am not referring to the Sermon in question). Calvinists do things like that all...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    You are mistaken. The sermon you refer to says nothing about salvation preceding regeneration, or regeneration preceding salvation. The whole concept only demonstrates ignorance of Reformed theology anyway. http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0531.htm Spurgeon was a Calvinist.
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    Good night all.
  12. M

    Message to GOD"S elect

    Its an argument from silence. He does not need to show scripture. One the other hand, Ephesians 1:4 says... Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love: Who was present at that time to ask to be...
  13. M

    Message to GOD"S elect

    That should be "I think you're correct, language is not my strong suit." And yes, and maybe at times I deserve those dirty looks.
  14. M

    Message to GOD"S elect

    Deborah, it would be good if you at least read a commentary or something before saying some of these things. Most likely the word "world" in verse 9 and 21 speak not of each and every man without exception, but Christ is speaking of the reprobate and wicked world that is against God. He prays...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    Reba, if you see no difference in the two propositions, then I doubt any language would express the difference.
  16. M

    Message to GOD"S elect

    If you can get "He prayed for the world to be saved, too" out of "...I pray not for the world...." (John 17:9) then language really has no meaning.
  17. M

    Message to GOD"S elect

    Deb, answers like yours above only prove the futility of giving any explanation. No matter what explanation is given, you will not hear it. George is affirming that people have choice. He is explaining why people use their ability to choose and use it to choose evil. This is futile, we can...
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    Freewill religion ! - Part 2

    Re: Freewill religion is the Man of Sin ! - Part 2 2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, for that God chose you from the beginning unto salvation in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: First, the issue of Spirit or...
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    Perspicuity of Scripture

    I know the word "Perspicuity of Scripture" is a mouthful, and many may not be familiar with it. It is a doctrine which accompanies the doctrine of sola scriptura, but is not identical with sola scriptura. The word perspicuity refers to the characteristic of clearness and lucidity in a body of...
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    Message to GOD"S elect

    JBL, your muddying the issue. I do not think you realize it, but you are muddying the issue. George freely admits that in Christ we have freedom and liberty to serve him. That of course is not the same as saying those who are not in Christ have the free will to come to Christ in faith. Your...
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