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I am not sure what you are thinking honestly, but I know that those who hear His voice and follow Him have eternal life and will not perish - that is eternal security. Those who do not hear His voice, and those who do not follow Him are not His sheep and do not have eternal life. Pretty...

The bigger challenge is for someone to show that those who do not hear Him or follow Him can actually be His sheep. Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. Did you notice the words "sometimes" or "at one time"?

Yea, I guess I was tugging a little. :) I for sure think that we are probably not seeing the same things.

I am sorry if you feel like I am being a hammer. I simply am not going to consume anything other than the word of God. That's it. Here is the whole thing. I absolutely have ZERO need for any 'deeper' understanding of what hell is. If I needed it, then I am sure I would receive it. What I...

Was Paul acting as a kindergartner when he opposed Peter? There are things to do in order, and then there are things to do in truth. Modern religion, and what we deem as church 'services', are nothing but glorified Greek theatrical performances. That being said, I disagree with a LOT of what...

Abraham offering Isaac has ZERO to do with ancient near East practices. I am not sure if that was the relationship you were drawing there, but that is NOT something I would let leave hanging out there. Child sacrifice of the ancients was detestable and ungodly. Nothing even remotely like...

I do understand what you mean, I simply do not think we can do that and stay in truth. Now, if you are wanting to contrast what hell actually is(based on what we read in the Bible) with what the Greek's thought it was, then that is a different story. But since Greek mythology was a religious...

his·tor·i·cal hiˈstôrək(ə)l/ adjective adjective: historical of or concerning history; concerning past events. "the historical background to such studies" belonging to the past, not the present. "famous historical figures" synonyms: past, bygone, ancient, old, former; literaryof yore...

Do you believe everything he teaches? If you disagreed with him, would he allow you to say so in front of everyone?

I really did answer you. It all boils down to sin - there is nothing to go deeper than that. Like the saying goes, the buck stops there. Sin is not happenstance, or life experiences - it is the root of separation between God and man. Jesus came to destroy that root(crush the serpents head)...

Are you a "historical person"? Am I a "historical person"? "Historical" - belonging to the past, not the present. Does Jesus belong to the past, not the present? Come on Stove. No need for insults. I am being as serious as I can about all of this. Jesus is not a historical person - He...

I would say some do, most only for a while, but there are some who actually choose to deny the gift of God and never receive it - aka, disobedience by unbelief. Rom 11:17-24 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and...

I do understand your point of view. I just disagree with it. Jesus is not a historical person, He is the living Son of God - and His Spirit lives in me. I do not need to study other religions to understand what the Spirit teaches. Sure, it may mean I do not have an understanding of what they...

One nice thing about the internet forums is at least you have a record of what is said, and can go back to see what people are talking about. Case in point, you pulled part of what I said out and thought it meant one thing - when in reality I was talking about something totally different. Of...

PM me if you need to 'clean house' and need somewhere to dispose of those things. :biggrin2 I will even give you a small reimbursement for helping the cause. :cool2

I'd rather not argue either. I was trying to discuss it really. :) We have salvation in Christ. If a person has a choice to believe, then that means God has given them that ability. So, a person cannot 'believe' in something(or not believe in it) if they don't know or have a choice. When...

Why not just study what the Bible says about hell? Why is there a need for extra-biblical sources? I think there is enough information contained in the NT gospels/letters to let us know what we need to about it. To me, bringing in false religions ideas/myths about what they deemed as 'hell'...

What is it you don't understand? You say I talk in circles, yet you do not show how? Why talk down on someone if your not going to give them a reason why?

"Dead" - νεκρός nekrós, nek-ros'; from an apparently primary νέκυς nékys (a corpse); dead (literally or figuratively; also as noun):—dead. By dead I mean without life. From the context of the passage we can see that it does not mean physical life - as in our lungs breathing air or our hearts...

:rofl2 Some people actually believe that. Crazy, I know. I trust you were not insinuating that I believe its not real? I on the other hand, know that it is real. Why? Because Christ spoke of it. Jesus never spoke a lie. And His truths about hell were more than just stories. Mat 23:33...