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Rollo Tamasi

Rollo Tamasi

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I'm against guns.
I don't think they are Christian, unless you are a hunter for food or live in the wilderness for protection against wild animals.
I'm also a supporter of the NRA, but it is not a Christian organization.
I just support the right to bear arms.
But that's a worldly thing, not a Christian thing.
I support this country by paying my taxes and obeying it's laws.
But I am not of this world.
My home is the Kingdom of God and that's where my citizenship lies.

The big conflict comes with the right to defend one's loved ones.
First off, how many of you have ever needed to defend your loved ones against thugs and had to use your gun for defense?
Probably none of you.
It's time to take a step in faith and start believing that your God is your protector, not your gun, and clean house.
 
i dunno. it seems that countries with more stringent gun control laws don't have as many people dying thru gun violence. im with you on christians being in the world, but not of it. i lean left on many issues, but ive become less and less engaged with all that. i mean...we have 2 major parties in the us. you vote for a corporate owned democrat who will throw the 99% some scraps so inequality and poverty don't get too out of control, and then you have the social darwinist gop. that's about it.

there's actually been some good research that shows that, at this point, only very wealthy people are able to do much of anything when it comes to political stuff. the rest of us...well, some people these days are organizing into movements or such, but that's a very worldly solution.

personally, im not a fan of guns. at all. i get uncomfortable when christians get too intense about their rights to bear arms. a lot of times, these are the same christians who unquestioningly back the police, prisons, the military, the death penalty, and cutting social programs. not my cup of tea, obviously.

still, i try not to get too involved. my best friend, verna...she's in her 70s, and she's got guns. totally non-violent and all that, but its south georgia. that's how they roll. i dont look down on gun owners or anything, but i do get concerned when christians seem to be so obsessed with authority and power and control, and not with...helping the least of these, compassion, etc.

good post, btw.
 
OK I have not my my husband did... guys broke in with shotguns 1 guy in the house 2 more in the door way..
My home is the Kingdom of God and that's where my citizenship lies.
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Do you use any citizenship rights of the USA?
What is the Kingdom of God?
 
Allen Wynne said:
The big conflict comes with the right to defend one's loved ones.
First off, how many of you have ever needed to defend your loved ones against thugs and had to use your gun for defense?
Probably none of you.
It's time to take a step in faith and start believing that your God is your protector, not your gun, and clean house.
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I've had a couple of close calls where I had to go into protector mode. Both times, I was able to handle the situation without shooting anyone and yet stop them from what would have happened. Having a gun does not mean that one believes in the protection of the gun more so than God. Guns are woefully inadequate concerning stopping power. In other words, there's a lot of room left for faith in God even if you have a gun. Even King David had a sling and rocks.
 
reba said:
OK I have not my my husband did... guys broke in with shotguns 1 guy in the house 2 more in the door way..
Do you use any citizenship rights of the USA?
What is the Kingdom of God?
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Was your husband relying on Jesus?
I use my rights of this country, yes.
So what? I live in the flesh, I use my rights in the flesh?
But the kingdom of God is spiritual.

Romans 14:17;
"For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit."

One must understand what that means before they can experience it.
 
Allen Wynne said:
King David was just that, a King.
Jesus is our king.
We should follow the ways of our king, not an Old Testament Jewish king.
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Hi Allen, Jesus is not king of the Church. He is the king of Israel and all nations. The Church is not Israel (the Nation). The Church is part of the Governing body of Christ along with Him as Kings and priest to serve with Christ. We are sons of God along with Christ. (Rev. 1:5-6) (Rev. 5:10). The Church is part of the commonwealth of Israel, that will dwell in the capitol (the new Jerusalem) (Romans 8:1-39) (Ephesians Chapters 1&2).
 
Allen Wynne said:
I'm against guns.
I don't think they are Christian, unless you are a hunter for food or live in the wilderness for protection against wild animals.
I'm also a supporter of the NRA, but it is not a Christian organization.
I just support the right to bear arms.
But that's a worldly thing, not a Christian thing.
I support this country by paying my taxes and obeying it's laws.
But I am not of this world.
My home is the Kingdom of God and that's where my citizenship lies.

The big conflict comes with the right to defend one's loved ones.
First off, how many of you have ever needed to defend your loved ones against thugs and had to use your gun for defense?
Probably none of you.
It's time to take a step in faith and start believing that your God is your protector, not your gun, and clean house.
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Your post has what seems like a double standard.
You said....."I don't think they are Christian, unless you are a hunter for food or live in the wilderness for protection against wild animals."
So, we can use guns to protect against wild animals....BUT....to defend against a love one from being attacked you seem to be against that because it doesn't happen much. The second double standard is when you allow guns for protection against animals...but when it comes to protection against thugs you then call for a "step of faith" . Why not a step of faith against wild animals?

Luke 22:36. He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
 
Douglas Summers said:
Hi Allen, Jesus is not king of the Church. He is the king of Israel and all nations. The Church is not Israel (the Nation). The Church is part of the Governing body of Christ along with Him as Kings and priest to serve with Christ. We are sons of God along with Christ. (Rev. 1:5-6) (Rev. 5:10). The Church is part of the commonwealth of Israel, that will dwell in the capitol (the new Jerusalem) (Romans 8:1-39) (Ephesians Chapters 1&2).
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John 18:37;
Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

Jesus is King of kings.
1 Timothy 6:15;
Revelation 17:14;
Revelation 19:16;

You lower Jesus down to your level.
Who are you?
Shame on you!
 
Cygnus said:
Your post has what seems like a double standard.
You said....."I don't think they are Christian, unless you are a hunter for food or live in the wilderness for protection against wild animals."
So, we can use guns to protect against wild animals....BUT....to defend against a love one from being attacked you seem to be against that because it doesn't happen much. The second double standard is when you allow guns for protection against animals...but when it comes to protection against thugs you then call for a "step of faith" . Why not a step of faith against wild animals?

Luke 22:36. He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
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You seem to fail to see my point.
God gave us dominion over the animals.
Man is suppose to rise above that.
Did Adam kill Cain for what he did to Abel?
Or did he let God take care of that?
He trusted that God would bring about justice.

2 Timothy 4:18;
God will rescue you from every attack and bring you safely into His heavenly Kingdom.

Trust and obey
for there's no other way...

You are misunderstanding this passage in Luke.
You quote verse 36 but you don't quote verse 37, which says,
"It is written; And he was numbered with the transgressors', and I tell you this must be fulfilled in me."

The transgressors' had swords, thus numbering him with the transgressors'.
Another prophesy fulfilled.
That's why when they came back with only two swords, Jesus said, "that is enough".
There was no other purpose for them.

The apostles couldn't understand that until they were filled with the Holy Spirit on Pentacost.
Have you received the pentacostal Holy Spirit?
 
dirtfarmer here

If we say guns kill people, can we also say that cars kill people, or that knives kill people. Who is it that controls the gun that kills, the car that kills, or the knives that kill, is it not people. So would it be correct to say that it is people that kill people with the use of guns, cars, or knives.

If we outlaw guns because they are used to kill people, should we also outlaw cars and knives?
 
Allen Wynne said:
You seem to fail to see my point.
God gave us dominion over the animals.
Man is suppose to rise above that.
Did Adam kill Cain for what he did to Abel?
Or did he let God take care of that?
He trusted that God would bring about justice.
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Apparently according to you...Abel didn't trust God. He got killed.
 
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