“Freedom from” anything is anything but freedom

[T. E. Smith]

Do you have examples where this was actually applied and required in real people running for office? It looks like the organization is digging up 200 years old law and wanting them gone for lack of any real problem to be addressed.

You see the claim was that atheists could not hold certain jobs. Now if those ancient laws on the books are never enforced, then that claim is untrue. That there is a law written on a piece of paper does not mean those laws are applied. So I am asking for the name of a person who was denied a government job because they are an atheist and that is the reason given as a law is supporting that decision. A law from 1776 totally ignored does not count.

Right now, seven states still have laws on the books banning atheists and non-believers from serving in public office in those states. This is 2022! This despite a SCOTUS ruling in 1961 saying states may not maintain a "religious test" for holding public office. What were those seven states? Maryland, Arkansas, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

Now, the laws are unenforceable because of the SCOTUS decision, but before 1961, the laws were indeed enforceable. In Section 2 of Article IX of the Tennessee constitution, for example, "No person who denies the being of God...shall hold any office in the civil department of this state." This was probably influenced by John Locke, who stated poisonously, "Those are not at all to be tolerated who deny the being of a God. Promises, covenants, and oaths, which are the bonds of human society, can have no hold upon an atheist."

Now, you want a specific example? In 1992, Herb Silverman, an atheist activist and math professor, was denied a position as a notary public because of a ban in South Carolina. He had to sue the state before he could hold the position. In 2009, Cecil Bothwell won his city counsel race in Asheville, North Carolina, but his opponents cited the anti-atheist law in order to try and deny him his seat.

EDIT: But someone will say, "The laws are unenforceable, so it doesn't matter." What if we had an unenforceable law barring African Americans from holding public office? Would that be a problem? Of course. Same as when we have an unenforceable law barring atheists from holding public office.

 

[D-D-W]

Every Christian martyr died as an enemy of the state. Oh! and stop speaking myths.

Are you saying that those christians murdered by ISIS were enemies of the state of Afghanistan? Or do you not consider them as martyrs?

 

[God Is My Judge]

Are you saying that those christians murdered by ISIS were enemies of the state of Afghanistan? Or do you not consider them as martyrs?

Actually martyrs of the state of Israel. People who have been actually following that, have learned that ISIS was funded and weaponized by Israel and America, Israel's female dog. Israeli Mossad has its dirty hands in everything. Obama was/is a puppet of " A Mystery Babylon". Babylon's name is written across the head of the Mother of all harlots- the Catholic Church. Mother meaning like - Mother of all bombs, Mother of all ships, Mother of all wars etc... Not that she holds in inclusivity the name harlot. Simply, among all the harlots she has the most power in reach and size. She is owned by the Kabbalah practioners at the pinnacle of power. Hence, " Mystery Babylon" on her head. The harlot, as are all the little harlots too, is carried upon the beast system's back. Hence, the beast she sits upon. The Babylonian Talmud is" Those deep things of satan" spoken of by Christ. All the mystery schools and societies have been " Stabled" under the practioners of Kabbalah.The Jerusalem Talmud written 600 yrs AD is simply an extension of the original, they are one book.
Point is, under false interpretation by Talmudic Rabbis, those responsible for the state in conditiion of Israel, have been dismantling nations to gain back the ancient land of Canaan.
The Rothschild established state of Israel however, is soon coming to an end. 15 more months of the satanic agenda , then God gives answer.

 

[God Is My Judge]

The horns of Ramphan and his Star centered between his horns, is very well situated in the Rothschild's coat of arms. NO WHERE in the scriptures is there a so called " Star of David" . Period! The three ostrich feathers represent the unholy trinity- the world, the flesh and the devil. For in OC tradition, an ostrich is an unclean bird. The unicorn means magic and/or Kabbalah alchemy. And with Baylon's sorcery-pharmikeia in the Greek, it deceives the nations. Covid- 19 is a depopulation and gentic altering agenda. Once the key to unlock all the genenomes of all species was discovered by the " Synagogue of satan" all hell has been unleashed on humanity. They even kill their own who are lower ranking and not in the know, not just the Goy. You know from the story of Joseph killing of your own or selling up the creek is not above the Jew. My Lord who is the Jew above all who can be called a real Jew, said only a remnant of Jacob will be saved. That means,not the majority.

 

[D-D-W]

Actually martyrs of the state of Israel. People who have been actually following that, have learned that ISIS was funded and weaponized by Israel and America, Israel's female dog. Israeli Mossad has its dirty hands in everything.

OK now that is complete malarky. ISIS is vowed to wipe Israel off the planet. And the US as well.

 

[D-D-W]

My Lord who is the Jew above all who can be called a real Jew, said only a remnant of Jacob will be saved. That means,not the majority.

I take it you do not believe Jeremiah 31 or Romans 11. Both passages (and many more from both testaments) stand in direct opposition to what you are saying.

Romans 11:26a and so all Israel will be saved;

That is the SAME Israel that 2 verses later calls:

28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake,

 

[God Is My Judge]

OK now that is complete malarky. ISIS is vowed to wipe Israel off the planet. And the US as well.

Really? And I'm the Queen of Sheba.... see? Words. If you think ISIS has the power to take down Israel or the United States, then you actually believe the emperor has clothes on. There is no way Iran even can do anything. But according to prophecy, Iran will be a daughter of China. If you knew scripture you would know, of itself Iran is feckless in the big scheme. The nation's worst enemy in the end times is the synagogue of satan. Islam is bad but reading the satanic verses of the Talmud one can see the plan against Christ and His anointed. You are not speaking to an uneducated person. I am very well versed and informed concerning the Talmud. Both Islam and the synagogue of satan have satanic verses. But scripture is clear who is given satan's own power authority and throne. Prove that wrong. No better way to deceive the nations than through the Jew. After all the King of kings and Lord of lords is of the tribe of Judah-lineage. The convincing and deception must come by a Jew and the scriptures prove that. The counterfeit Jew against the actual Jew of the circumcision of the heart. You probably know Paul's writings?

 

[D-D-W]

If you think ISIS has the power to take down Israel or the United States, then you actually believe the emperor has clothes on.

Don't put words in my mouth, and/or stop misreading what I wrote.

I said they had vowed to wipe out Israel and the US. Do they have the resources to do so? No. At least not at this time. That does not stop them from trying and doing much damage in the process.

 

[D-D-W]

But according to prophecy, Iran will be a daughter of China.

Chapter and verse on that one please. To my knowledge, China is only mentioned once in scripture:

Isaiah 49:12
“Behold, these will come from afar; And lo, these will come from the north and from the west, And these from the land of Sinim.”

 

[D-D-W]

You are not speaking to an uneducated person. I am very well versed and informed concerning the Talmud.

I have my doubts on that point since you seriously messed up what you wrote in post #83. And you seem to totally ignore the majority/minority opinions on almost everything in there.

History:
Mishnah written after the Bar Kochba revolt of 135 ad. Published circa 200 ad.
Using the Mishnah as the start, rabbis and sages in northern Israel and Babylon worked independently. The Palestinian or Jerusalem Talmud was published circa 400 ad and the much longer Babylonian Talmud a century later.

While there is a lot in the Babylonian Talmud against our Lord, it is no where near the majority of the text. It is bits and pieces scattered thru relevant sections. There is less in the Jerusalem Talmud and very little in the Mishnah.

I wonder if you have actually read any Talmud at all. Probably not even the Mishnah.

 

[D-D-W]

No better way to deceive the nations than through the Jew. After all the King of kings and Lord of lords is of the tribe of Judah-lineage. The convincing and deception must come by a Jew and the scriptures prove that. The counterfeit Jew against the actual Jew of the circumcision of the heart. You probably know Paul's writings?

No, the scriptures do NOT "prove" any such thing. It is a certain INTERPRETATION of scripture that says that.
Yes I am very familiar with Paul's writings and how they are routinely misunderstood.

 

[God Is My Judge]

I take it you do not believe Jeremiah 31 or Romans 11. Both passages (and many more from both testaments) stand in direct opposition to what you are saying.

Romans 11:26a and so all Israel will be saved;

That is the SAME Israel that 2 verses later calls:

28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake,

And scripture does not contradict scripture.

Matthew 13:
10Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?”

11He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:

‘Though seeing, they do not see;

though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’

14In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled:

‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;

you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

15For this people’s heart has grown callous;

they hardly hear with their ears,

and they have closed their eyes.

Otherwise they might see with their eyes,

hear with their ears,

understand with their hearts,

and turn, and I would heal them.’

16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

"Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved. For the Lord will carry out his sentence on earth with speed and finality." It is just as Isaiah said previously: "Unless the Lord Almighty had left us descendants, we would have become like Sodom, we would have been like Gomorrah" (Romans 9:27-29).

So what is God saying? Clearly your stance D-D-W, makes it sound like God is contradicting Himself.
It is very simple. A Remnant of Jacob will be saved as will a number out from among Gentile. They are called Israel. For when grafted in you are nourished by the roots and original tree. So concerning these end days, yes God will PREVAIL in these two groups of people. Israel means- God Prevails. For you to be called "His people Israel" you must be in Judah- Praise of God, and not all Jews are nor are all Gentile.
Romans 9:
The Calling of the Gentiles
…25As He says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘My People’ who are not My people, and I will call her ‘My Beloved’ who is not My beloved,” 26and, “It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’” 27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved.…

Clearly I am right, for my interp. does not put scripture against scripture but keeps them whole. And in Christ's wisdom , who is one, who is greater than Solomon before me, the child will remain WHOLE for division causes death! I prove to be a true mother to the Manchild.

 

[God Is My Judge]

I have my doubts on that point since you seriously messed up what you wrote in post #83. And you seem to totally ignore the majority/minority opinions on almost everything in there.

History:
Mishnah written after the Bar Kochba revolt of 135 ad. Published circa 200 ad.
Using the Mishnah as the start, rabbis and sages in northern Israel and Babylon worked independently. The Palestinian or Jerusalem Talmud was published circa 400 ad and the much longer Babylonian Talmud a century later.

While there is a lot in the Babylonian Talmud against our Lord, it is no where near the majority of the text. It is bits and pieces scattered thru relevant sections. There is less in the Jerusalem Talmud and very little in the Mishnah.

I wonder if you have actually read any Talmud at all. Probably not even the Mishnah.

A house divided cannot stand. All, some, here and there, is deception. For a bold faced lie is seen as such but a half truth is meant to deceive and is simply deception. To malign, it must be done to the truth. So, some half baked truth sprinkled with blasphemy is simply malignment of the one who believes in it and practices it. The Quran too does. It uses what sounds like useful phrases and points to scripture but is filled with the rot and filth of its father.

 

[God Is My Judge]

No, the scriptures do NOT "prove" any such thing. It is a certain INTERPRETATION of scripture that says that.
Yes I am very familiar with Paul's writings and how they are routinely misunderstood.

God proves His own word:

Psalms 12:
3The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: 4Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? 5For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. 6The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 8The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

6The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Do you know what this means? This ties in with " Heaven is my throne and the earth my footstool". Point is Revelation from the throne will not contradict the word left at the footstool- of earth. They are always harmonious. You have shown to not be in the Peace of the Lord. God is not the author of confusion but of peace.

 

[God Is My Judge]

Don't put words in my mouth, and/or stop misreading what I wrote.

I said they had vowed to wipe out Israel and the US. Do they have the resources to do so? No. At least not at this time. That does not stop them from trying and doing much damage in the process.

Desire and ability two different things.And I said Iran of itself could do no such thing. Iran with China, now that is something to talk about. And Iran is mentioned elsewhere . But since you didn't understand what I had to point out concerning your Jeremiah and Romans verses, I'm sure you missed the China and Iran thing I am talking about.

 

[T. E. Smith]

God proves His own word:

Psalms 12:
3The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: 4Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? 5For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. 6The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 8The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

6The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Do you know what this means? This ties in with " Heaven is my throne and the earth my footstool". Point is Revelation from the throne will not contradict the word left at the footstool- of earth. They are always harmonious. You have shown to not be in the Peace of the Lord. God is not the author of confusion but of peace.

You accuse your Christian brother of not being in the peace of the Lord simply because he does not hold to your radical interpretations? You must be fun at parties.

 

[God Is My Judge]

You accuse your Christian brother of not being in the peace of the Lord simply because he does not hold to your radical interpretations? You must be fun at parties.

I am! Cin, cin! so much fun, that I'm invited to the biggest bash eveeeer!

As for interp. There is only one Truth. Someone always loses in a debate. God's word says he is not in God's peace. I simply lean on the Beloved.

And what do you care "atheist"?. For someone who doesn't believe you sure have a lot of skin in the game. As for brother, admonitionment comes with the territory ask St.Peter.

Am I to take it.....you are speaking on his behalf? I love it! He steps up to me, telling me how he highly doubts my education then he gets a reality check and now you come at me? No agenda against truth there. The scriptures don't lie or contradict. You have a problem with that or if he does take it up with God.

 

[T. E. Smith]

And what do you care "atheist"?

I care about intolerance. Right now you are being very intolerant towards D-D-W to such a point that you'd even claim to be in God's peace whereas he is not, just because you interpret things differently!

Am I to take it.....you are speaking on his behalf? I love it!

Eh, two witnesses for every deed.

telling me how he highly doubts my education

Sounds legit. But a lot of people manage to forget their education entirely and turn to wild myths.

The scriptures don't lie or contradict. You have a problem with that or if he does take it up with God.

Obviously D-D-W believes that the scriptures do not lie or contradict. He has no "problem with that", so I'd think it would be offensive for you to accuse him of having a problem with that.

 

[God Is My Judge]

I care about intolerance. Right now you are being very intolerant towards D-D-W to such a point that you'd even claim to be in God's peace whereas he is not, just because you interpret things differently!

Eh, two witnesses for every deed.

Sounds legit. But a lot of people manage to forget their education entirely and turn to wild myths.

Obviously D-D-W believes that the scriptures do not lie or contradict. He has no "problem with that", so I'd think it would be offensive for you to accuse him of having a problem with that.

You sound salty. You condemn Christ as a "myth" and that is allowed, I disagree with your friend and that is not allowed? Really? Figure out what you believe and don't point your hypocritical finger at me. Let your friend defend his own stance. Last I knew that is how debates work. If his response to being salted is silence and your's to be mouthy, then you go get the credentials to correct what you think is wrong in my stance with Christ. You can't because you are a self- proclaimed "ATHEIST", you have no faith in Christ.

Luke 12:11
11 When you are brought before synagogues, rulers, and authorities, do not worry about how to defend yourselves or what to say. 12For at that time the Holy Spirit will teach you what you should say.”…

Philippians 4:
6Be anxious for nothing (I'm not), but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God (I have and he will always give me the Victory). 7And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus ( That is the peace of God I speak of. If D-D-W was in it, he would not need an atheist to answer for him, the Holy Spirit would have him covered.)

8Finally, brothers, whatever is true (NOT THE TALMUD, not the Midrash written by Christ rejecting Rabbis), whatever is honorable (NOT THE TALMUD, not the Midrash written by Christ rejecting Rabbis) , whatever is right(NOT THE TALMUD, not the Midrash written by Christ rejecting Rabbis) , whatever is pure,(NOT THE TALMUD, not the Midrash written by Christ rejecting Rabbis) whatever is lovely(NOT THE TALMUD, not the Midrash written by Christ rejecting Rabbis), whatever is admirable(NOT THE TALMUD, not the Midrash written by Christ rejecting Rabbis) —if anything is excellent or praiseworthy (NOT THE TALMUD, not the Midrash written by Christ rejecting Rabbis)—think on these things. 9Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me, put it into practice (That would not be the Talmud or the Midrash). And the God of peace will be with you.
This is not complicated, it is Christianity 101. Period!

 

[God Is My Judge]

Sounds legit. But a lot of people manage to forget their education entirely and turn to wild myths.

You would know.