“Freedom from” anything is anything but freedom

[T. E. Smith]

Presidents today aren't elected. That's the illusion. Once all secert societies were "Stabled" under Kabbalah, in accordance with the Rothschild 25 Step Plan For World Domination, it's a wrap. They use the laws and Constitutions of each respective nation, against its own citizens. It is called " Divide and Conquer". You probably already know that.
The American system is simply two wings of the same eagle, whose wings beat against each other. Each side is put against the other. And the power behind its " elected" officials, are none other than the heads of those secret societies. We are now at a pivotal moment in the epic battle of good and evil. " Satan is in the mood for engagement" Sister Luci, he knows his time is short. " The Great Culling" is underway, in harmony with the Georgia Guide Stones. Those overseeing " The Great Culling" are a small group of men who own an upwards of 85% of all the world's goods, services and natural resources. They want to get rid of what they call " Useless Eaters". Their men Fauci, Shwab, Gates and many world leaders owned by the heads of the NWO, Trudeau, Maccron, Biden, Trump etc..... have been useful tools. The real power is behind the scenes. Once their power is as such, that no one can overthrow them, that is when they step center stage. Their man, that North Star, that Light Bearer, Man of Sin- "Satan does like to masquerade as an angel of light"- St. Peter , he will be in the spotlight.
The Rothschild dynasty owns the Vatican. PJP2 was a puppet for their agenda due to his fear. They orchestrated the assination attempt on his life. Very scary, bad people in Vatican circles. If you have the right intentions, that will not last very long. The divide and conquer has been long implemented from within the Catholic Church concerning the grassroots effort of dissolution of the faith. The all inclusivity of religions, promoted by PJP2 was part of that divide and conquer plan. Jorge is their Shebna. He was not actually elected, he is a beast system, hand placed upstart. The prophecy of the Blessed Mother tells what happens to the 'upstart'- Bishop in white, and the Catholic Church's truly elected Holy Father. Who will become as such (holy) as he makes his way up to the cross of Calvary. The upstart-" Bishop in White" however, is going to perdition. Many clergy, laymen and people of differt ranks will be killed at the fall and destruction of Rome and the Vatican..

LOL what?? I don't think I've ever heard this much conspiracy in my life!

 

[God Is My Judge]

LOL what?? I don't think I've ever heard this much conspiracy in my life!

Lol! Yeah get ready cause you're about to learn. Men conspire that is no theory. Even in little places.

 

[Edward]

Lol, whatever.

Those pesky Christians, Lol!!!

 

[Milk-Drops]

Presidents today aren't elected. That's the illusion. Once all secert societies were "Stabled" under Kabbalah, in accordance with the Rothschild 25 Step Plan For World Domination, it's a wrap.

Ok did you by chance learn this through either a Youtube video or did someone on another forum convince you of this?

I'm asking because the the Rothschild 25 is literally just a copy paste of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" where Jew is replaced with the Rothschild.

The protocols themselves was a propaganda campaigned that was a plagiarism of French Satire where demons were replaced with Jews.

The entire thing is anti semetic nonsense to get people to scape goat the Jews instead of looking for the more complicated answers wich are just modern economics, politics, and technology.

They use the laws and Constitutions of each respective nation, against its own citizens. It is called " Divide and Conquer". You probably already know that.

This is the part where it's easier to assume it's true if you believe in the Demons/Jews/Rothschilds/Clintons/The Swamp/ (insert your preferred goat here) are pulling the strings.

It's mostly just internal politics of various groups that are trying to secure oraintain power.

The American system is simply two wings of the same eagle, whose wings beat against each other. Each side is put against the other. And the power behind its " elected" officials, are none other than the heads of those secret societies.

That's the thing. Theses societies are the Democrat and Republican parties. If you want to be elected in most offices beyond local you need to form connections. A lot of these connection form because people meet at ivy league schools where families send their children. These children network with each other, professors, and mentors. Then these new adults go into business, politics, and entertainment.

That's basicly it. The secret societies thing is less Masons, skull and bones, and zionist shenanigans and mostly just old fashioned nepotism.

We are now at a pivotal moment in the epic battle of good and evil. " Satan is in the mood for engagement" Sister Luci, he knows his time is short. " The Great Culling" is underway, in harmony with the Georgia Guide Stones.

This confirms that this is Qanon stuff. Look I'm not saying that there isn't shenanigans going on in Politics, entertainment, and the greater Ecconomy local and global. I personally hold that Qanon is mostly just another scapegoat with scraps of real problems that are daddly being used as a smokescreen to just spread the Elders of Zion propaganda to people who don't know what that is.

Those overseeing " The Great Culling" are a small group of men who own an upwards of 85% of all the world's goods, services and natural resources. They want to get rid of what they call " Useless Eaters". Their men Fauci, Shwab, Gates and many world leaders owned by the heads of the NWO, Trudeau, Maccron, Biden, Trump etc..... have been useful tools. The real power is behind the scenes. Once their power is as such, that no one can overthrow them, that is when they step center stage. Their man, that North Star, that Light Bearer, Man of Sin- "Satan does like to masquerade as an angel of light"- St. Peter , he will be in the spotlight.

This is where the scraps of truth mixed with antisemitism comes in. ( I am not saying you are anti semetic, im saying you have been misled and are unknowingly spreading a 100 year old lie)

The Rothschild dynasty owns the Vatican. PJP2 was a puppet for their agenda due to his fear. They orchestrated the assination attempt on his life. Very scary, bad people in Vatican circles. If you have the right intentions, that will not last very long. The divide and conquer has been long implemented from within the Catholic Church concerning the grassroots effort of dissolution of the faith. The all inclusivity of religions, promoted by PJP2 was part of that divide and conquer plan. Jorge is their Shebna. He was not actually elected, he is a beast system, hand placed upstart. The prophecy of the Blessed Mother tells what happens to the 'upstart'- Bishop in white, and the Catholic Church's truly elected Holy Father. Who will become as such (holy) as he makes his way up to the cross of Calvary. The upstart-" Bishop in White" however, is going to perdition. Many clergy, laymen and people of differt ranks will be killed at the fall and destruction of Rome and the Vatican..

Now you are mixing in Catholic conspiracies.

The Catholic Church, just like any large organization and power structure is prone to corruption and infighting. However, just like how the Rothschild family is no longer the top richest family, the Catholic Church is also not as powerful as it once was.

Power structures change. The biggest issue right now is more that powerful men in women in the US have controls over many aspects of our market and by proxy politics. Us the People don't have the resources to match these businesses, corps, and Families.

I think it's more important that we the people work together instead of falling for the old class politics that separate us.

 

[hawkman]

The American system is simply two wings of the same eagle, whose wings beat against each other. Each side is put against the other.

I think it's more important that we the people work together instead of falling for the old class politics that separate us.

I agree with both of you and you both are saying basically the same thing , believe it or not .
About 85% of our politicians , (party does not matter) , only interests are power , money and fame , not the people who elected them .

 

[T. E. Smith]

I agree with both of you and you both are saying basically the same thing , believe it or not .
About 85% of our politicians , (party does not matter) , only interests are power , money and fame , not the people who elected them .

85%? Let's say at least 95% or more.

 

[hawkman]

This is the part where it's easier to assume it's true if you believe in the Demons/Jews/Rothschilds/Clintons/The Swamp/ (insert your preferred goat here) are pulling the strings.

It's mostly just internal politics of various groups that are trying to secure oraintain power.

Who in their right mind would want to speak evil of the Clintons ?
Another Arkancide?

 

[Milk-Drops]

Who in their right mind would want to speak evil of the Clintons ?
Another Arkancide?

I know right. :p [has no love for the clintons]

 

[Paul E. Michael]

Well considering the purpose of the organization, its working under the legal definition. A lot of them are ex Christian and Muslem, so those people are free from their former religions.

Of what does whatever you would call "religion" consist? According to you, what makes anything you would call "religion," something you'd call "religion"?

If you are merely using your word, "religion," meaninglessly, then, whenever you say things like such and such people are "free from their former religions," you're not stating any truth (or even any falsehood) about any people.

For my part, I only use the word, "religion," to refer to the worship of God, so I would never use the word, "religion," to refer to what Muslims, qua Muslims, believe and practice, since I do not think Muslims worship God.

Because its not important to their mission or objectives.

It's not important to the mission or objectives of Freedom From Religion Foundation to be able to answer a simple question about their use of the word, "religion," which they have chosen to be one of the for words of which their group's name is composed?

I think it would be easier if you just shot them an email, instead of soap boxing.

What would be easier?

 

[Milk-Drops]

Of what does whatever you would call "religion" consist? According to you, what makes anything you would call "religion," something you'd call "religion"?

IM pretty stand offish about answering because of the way you are phrasing the question, not the question itself.
For me I consider a religion to be a combination of an origin story for the universe, a morale system, rituals (how to practice said relgion), and worship. If a concept doesn't have these, it's not a religion. All the magore religions have these. The Abehamic faiths, Hinduism, buhdism.

If you are merely using your word, "religion," meaninglessly, then, whenever you say things like such and such people are "free from their former religions," you're not stating any truth (or even any falsehood) about any people.

See above.

For my part, I only use the word, "religion," to refer to the worship of God, so I would never use the word, "religion," to refer to what Muslims, qua Muslims, believe and practice, since I do not think Muslims worship God.

That seems more like semantics. Muslims would not be Christian, but they are following the religion of Islam.

It's not important to the mission or objectives of Freedom From Religion Foundation to be able to answer a simple question about their use of the word, "religion," which they have chosen to be one of the for words of which their group's name is composed?

That's the thing, you aren't asking a simple question. Your question has caveats and seems long winded.

[What would be easier?

You keep asking why the organisation isn't answering your version of a question. I'm asking why don't you just email them and ask it?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I don't think you understand. A person could be ab atheist, but were barred from public office in most states.

Name the law please otherwise I don’t believe you. I’ve never heard of this ever.

No, any public office.

Nonsense.

How is it threatening? You misunderstanding something doesn't mean they are threatening you.

What do I misunderstand?

No, you are the one that made the claim that Communists countries tortured religous people. You have to show evidence of that.

You are unaware of this? Read about Richard Wurmbrand. The chinese still do.

No you are wrong, It says the shall not legislate areligion or prevent the practice there of.

You are now correct, but that is now what you said.

The government will not legislate on behalf of religous organizations, but the people are free to worship as they please.

YEah, but if you can't get it to hold up in a court of law it cNt be prosecuted. In the US it very hard to prove hate.

We will see. It can certainly get you fire from your job whether hateful or not.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Name the law please otherwise I don’t believe you. I’ve never heard of this ever.

Nonsense.

Why it matters that 7 states still have bans on atheists holding office

Anti-atheism is ingrained in American politics. A refusal to remove outdated language from state Constitutions perpetuates this prejudice.

theconversation.com

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Why it matters that 7 states still have bans on atheists holding office

Anti-atheism is ingrained in American politics. A refusal to remove outdated language from state Constitutions perpetuates this prejudice.

theconversation.com

So how do they determine this? Was this ever actually applied to candidates? Or is this from centuries ago and the organization is digging up regs never applied in 100 years to have some cause to fight?

You’ll notice christian ministers are also prohibited but uh, the Freedom from Religion doesn’t take up their case, right? hummm

 

[Milk-Drops]

So how do they determine this? Was this ever actually applied to candidates? Or is this from centuries ago and the organization is digging up regs never applied in 100 years to have some cause to fight?

You asked foe the laws, I showed you. You claimed it was nonsense. I showed you. It has been threatened against candidates, so many have came out post career to explain they put a religion on their registration to avoid being barred.

You’ll notice christian ministers are also prohibited but uh, the Freedom from Religion doesn’t take up their case, right? hummm

That is because the ACLU has challenged it already.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You asked foe the laws, I showed you. You claimed it was nonsense. I showed you. It has been threatened against candidates, so many have came out post career to explain they put a religion on their registration to avoid being barred.

I want a 2021 incident where a christian minister or atheist were refused their candidacy. We are talking active ENFORCED laws, not something from 1776.

That is because the ACLU has challenged it already.

When was a person refused the ability to run for office?

I have no problem believing there are laws from centuries ago NO ONE ENFORCES and are de facto null and void.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I want a 2021 incident where a christian minister or atheist were refused their candidacy. We are talking active ENFORCED laws, not something from 1776.

Ah gotcha, if I give you one then you'll demand a spe ific month or claim the n person isn't atheist enough

When was a person refused the ability to run for office?

When did the FFRF take any of your rights?

 

[T. E. Smith]

Name the law please otherwise I don’t believe you. I’ve never heard of this ever.

Very true. Only later were the requirements for federal office applied to the states.

 

[God Is My Judge]

Ok did you by chance learn this through either a Youtube video or did someone on another forum convince you of this?

I'm asking because the the Rothschild 25 is literally just a copy paste of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" where Jew is replaced with the Rothschild.

The protocols themselves was a propaganda campaigned that was a plagiarism of French Satire where demons were replaced with Jews.

The entire thing is anti semetic nonsense to get people to scape goat the Jews instead of looking for the more complicated answers wich are just modern economics, politics, and technology.




This is the part where it's easier to assume it's true if you believe in the Demons/Jews/Rothschilds/Clintons/The Swamp/ (insert your preferred goat here) are pulling the strings.

It's mostly just internal politics of various groups that are trying to secure oraintain power.



That's the thing. Theses societies are the Democrat and Republican parties. If you want to be elected in most offices beyond local you need to form connections. A lot of these connection form because people meet at ivy league schools where families send their children. These children network with each other, professors, and mentors. Then these new adults go into business, politics, and entertainment.

That's basicly it. The secret societies thing is less Masons, skull and bones, and zionist shenanigans and mostly just old fashioned nepotism.



This confirms that this is Qanon stuff. Look I'm not saying that there isn't shenanigans going on in Politics, entertainment, and the greater Ecconomy local and global. I personally hold that Qanon is mostly just another scapegoat with scraps of real problems that are daddly being used as a smokescreen to just spread the Elders of Zion propaganda to people who don't know what that is.

This is where the scraps of truth mixed with antisemitism comes in. ( I am not saying you are anti semetic, im saying you have been misled and are unknowingly spreading a 100 year old lie)
Now you are mixing in Catholic conspiracies.

The Catholic Church, just like any large organization and power structure is prone to corruption and infighting. However, just like how the Rothschild family is no longer the top richest family, the Catholic Church is also not as powerful as it once was.

Power structures change. The biggest issue right now is more that powerful men in women in the US have controls over many aspects of our market and by proxy politics. Us the People don't have the resources to match these businesses, corps, and Families.

I think it's more important that we the people work together instead of falling for the old class politics that separate us.

I would probably agree with you if scripture said something otherwise.
But as it is , it points to who is at the top of the big money heap. Who controls the money controls the nations. I mentioned elsewhere, scripture tells the history of nations before it's history.
A Puzzle Piece To the Beast System.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-10

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and de-

stroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan,

with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, be-

cause they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Rev. 13:2
The Image of the Beast
2The beast I saw was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave the
beast his power and throne and great authority.

To understand who is at the top, you must understand its image.
This symbolism is the main body of the Rothschild's Coat of Arms:

In their patent that which looks to the eye to be the body of a lion is actually a Leopard Passant. The feet look like
those of a bear, not a leopard, Rev.13:2The beast I saw was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear and the mouth
of a lion.

And the dragon gave the beast his power and throne and great authority. And obviously the head and
mouth is of a lion. Proof of the accuracy of this interpretation is in the fact, that what appears to just be the body
of a lion, is as John says , a leopard, (BUT NO SPOTS) exactly! John saw the design of their patent. No other house has this patent. Hence, PATENT. Over the years they have changed it , which should speak to the accuracy of this interpretation. For a leopard can not change its spots. Lol!


Here is the beginning part of their patent Note: second quarter LEOPARD PASSANT, first quarter EAGLE
SABLE. An eagle is the symbol of power. Hence,"
"And the dragon gave the
beast his power and throne and great authority".





Patent for the first Rothschild coat of arms, 1817

The title of nobility granted to the Rothschilds by Austria permitted the use of the 'von' in the name and stems
from an Order in Council of Francis I of 21 October 1816. The design submitted by the brothers for their Arms
was accompanied by a letter of explanation in Salomon's hand. The proposed design included:

First quarter, an eagle sable surcharged in dexter by a field gules (referring to the Imperial and Royal Austrian
Coat of Arms); Second quarter, gules, a leopard passant proper (referring to the English Coat of Arms); Third
quarter, a lion rampant (referring to the Hessian Electoral Coat of Arms); Fourth quarter, azure, an arm bearing
five arrows (a symbol of the unity of the five brothers). In the centre of the coat a shield gules. Right hand sup-
porter, a greyhound, a symbol of loyalty; left supporter, a stork, a symbol of piety and content. Crest: a coronet
surmounted by the lion of Hesse.

The Rothschilds asked for separate patents of nobility for each of the four brothers as they lived in different
countries. The separate patents were granted, but the design was considered too grand. The response to the ap-
plication had a 'suitable' design attached to it, without the coronet, heraldic animals supporting the shield, or the
lion and leopard. Also, the arm grasped just four arrows. A letter in the Archive from Amschel to Salomon and
Nathan in November 1816 reads, ".....James and Carl received the nobility. It is a pity that Nathan did not want
it."

 

[God Is My Judge]

Not as funny T.E. Smith as you thinking aliens will crown the Man of Sin or better yet, that they exist. More like fallen angels and demonic spirits. We are not alone in the universe, that is true, but fools gold will leave you broke. As the saying goes- "He who laughs last, laughs best".

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Very true. Only later were the requirements for federal office applied to the states.

Do you have examples where this was actually applied and required in real people running for office? It looks like the organization is digging up 200 years old law and wanting them gone for lack of any real problem to be addressed.

You see the claim was that atheists could not hold certain jobs. Now if those ancient laws on the books are never enforced, then that claim is untrue. That there is a law written on a piece of paper does not mean those laws are applied. So I am asking for the name of a person who was denied a government job because they are an atheist and that is the reason given as a law is supporting that decision. A law from 1776 totally ignored does not count.