Growth “The Book of Life”

[for_his_glory]

netchaplain: I do not see the primary issue as a responsibility as much as it is all being continually worked in us by the Father (Phl 2:13). You could say that He, through His working in us causes us to be responsible, which is being used of Him to manifest Him in us.

Better read that scripture again, it puts the responsibility right on you.

God gives you the "will" "to do".

Philippians 2:13 "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

Can't escape the responsibility of the "do".

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

It's all about being in Gods will in every aspect of our walk with Him and being in Him and Him is us. We are responsible for knowing the will of the Father in whom His Holy Spirit teaches us so that we bring glory and honor to His name in all we do and say. There is nothing of works that we can do of ourselves, but only by the will of God that works in us and through us.

 

[Kemosabe]

for_his_glory: There is nothing of works that we can do of ourselves, but only by the will of God that works in us and through us.

Philippians 2:13 "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
I think the wording of the scripture sheds a better light on the subject."

I think the wording of the scripture sheds a better light on the subject.

"For it is God which worketh in" us "to will and to do" His will, "his good pleasure".

The will of God is that we "do" what He says to do.

Not hard to understand; God say "do", we "do".

So, it's not 'works that we can do of ourselves'; it's works that God says to do.

Rev 2:26 "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end ..."

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

got to do the "do"!

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[Rollo Tamasi]

At my church we have have several food ministries for the poor and homeless.
It brings all kinds of people into our church facilities.
We find many people professing Jesus and then walk away.
Others profess Jesus and fall away and keep coming back.
These are the ones we work with.

When Jesus told the Samaritan women to sin no more, who was there to help her?
I believe that if she was truly saved that God put people in her path and she made it.
If a person is truly saved, God will always be there to help them because he will never forsake us.
Deuteronomy 31:8;
1 Corinthians 10:13;

 

[Sparkey]

I'm not going to spend any time while editing to enforce the rules about formatting.
There is a "Remove Formatting" button that makes it easy enough.

The rule is simple. Secondary color for scripture ONLY. This protocol is designed to keep our comments focused on the Word of God while posting in the Focus on Scripture (FoS) forum.

~Forum Moderator

 

[Kemosabe]

allenwynne: When Jesus told the Samaritan women to sin no more, who was there to help her?

She was probably the first lady evangelist.
Many believed because of her testimony.

"And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did."

And many more believed because she convinced them to hear Jesus.

"And many more believed because of his own word; And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world."

She had to be a very sharp and dynamic woman to convince that many people to come and hear the Lord in that short space of time.

Jesus stayed there two days.


I was thinking along those lines, a little while back.

Then there's this guy here;

"The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes. Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

What a bold testimony!

Lot of details we don't know, by there was a tsunami in the spiritual realm.
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[Deborah13]

Philippians 2:13 "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
I think the wording of the scripture sheds a better light on the subject."

I think the wording of the scripture sheds a better light on the subject.

"For it is God which worketh in" us "to will and to do" His will, "his good pleasure".

The will of God is that we "do" what He says to do.

Not hard to understand; God say "do", we "do".

So, it's not 'works that we can do of ourselves'; it's works that God says to do.

Rev 2:26 "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end ..."

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

got to do the "do"!

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Do you think the 'doing' comes from the change of 'will' ?

The Holy Spirit working in us and the Word, changing our minds (will) to be in agreement with the mind of Christ ? It seems to me that the 'doing' would follow, would it not?

 

[Kemosabe]

Deborah13
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Do you think the 'doing' comes from the change of 'will' ?
The Holy Spirit working in us and the Word, changing our minds (will) to be in agreement with the mind of Christ ? It seems to me that the 'doing' would follow, would it not?

You hit the nail on the head!

"In your patience possess ye your souls."

Being the patient (bearing pains or trials calmly or without complaint) willing recipient of "God which worketh in you both to will and to do", is our life.

We have to learn that we can't trust ourselves; just little obedient children trusting the Father.

"God which worketh in you both to will and to do" changes as we grow in the Lord.

"For my yoke ('to will') is easy, and my burden ('to do') is light."

It's "easy" and "light" if we're walking in the Spirit, but impossible in the flesh.

It seems to me that the 'doing' would follow, would it not?

If we're seeking and doing what the Lord is leading us to do.

Let's be realistic, we do/don't what the the Lord leads us to do.

If we're not seeking, then the Lord isn't leading.

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[for_his_glory]

Philippians 2:13 "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
I think the wording of the scripture sheds a better light on the subject."

I think the wording of the scripture sheds a better light on the subject.

"For it is God which worketh in" us "to will and to do" His will, "his good pleasure".

The will of God is that we "do" what He says to do.

Not hard to understand; God say "do", we "do".

So, it's not 'works that we can do of ourselves'; it's works that God says to do.

Rev 2:26 "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end ..."

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

got to do the "do"!

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Kemosabe what is the do and what is Gods will that will are to do?

 

[netchaplain]

netchaplain: I do not see the primary issue as a responsibility as much as it is all being continually worked in us by the Father (Phl 2:13). You could say that He, through His working in us causes us to be responsible, which is being used of Him to manifest Him in us.

Better read that scripture again, it puts the responsibility right on you.

God gives you the "will" "to do".

Philippians 2:13 "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

Can't escape the responsibility of the "do".

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

Yes, those who are His will do His will and not only is the desire to do His will the result of Him "working" the desire in us, He also causes us to perform (do) it out of that desire.

It's a matter of how you understand the passage, which can vary between one another, but I believe there is much significance in realizing that it's always God's "work in us" that maintains our desire for His will because He has the "preeminence" in all things (Col 1:18), which keeps me from attempting to claim any credit for any godliness in my life.

 

[netchaplain]

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Hi Reba - I wanted to add that there are no links to quotes from the material I share (if I use a quote from them) because of the antiquity of they're era, in case anyone wonders why they see none in my replies. I'm sure you mean if links are available.

Love you Sis and God's blessings to your Family!

 

[gr8grace3]

Perceiving,metabolizing and applying bible doctrine is key to the works that a Christian is to do.

Acts 16:31 is salvation for any man.It can not be lost and it cannot be attained any other way.

If we live a life of service and do great things all of our lives and our motivation is "to keep ourselves saved or to get saved." Those works are worthless and are burned up in the end. They are, in spiritual reality,evil.

Take 2 men that feed the poor for an example. One does it out of thankfulness for his salvation(divine good) and the other does it to keep himself saved(human good)

One is Good and one is evil. It all looks good from a human perspective, but from a divine perspective, one is evil.

Heb 5:13-14~~13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

If we are not trained in bible doctrine, evil can look good to us.

 

[Sparkey]

Perceiving,metabolizing and applying bible doctrine is key to the works that a Christian is to do.

Acts 16:31 is salvation for any man.It can not be lost and it cannot be attained any other way.

You're right about Acts 16:31

But can it be that easy?

The Gospel of John, chapter 6

25 they said to Him, “Rabbi, when did You come here?”

26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”

28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’”

32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”​

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Jesus said, "This is the work of God..."

and continued to explain the plan of God: "That you believe in Him whom He sent."​

Notice that Jesus replied to their pride in their ancestors who had personally been given the mana from heaven. God had instructed them to save that mana in the arc of the covenant as a remembrance. They did remember. And took great pride in their heritage. But the Lord set them right about what had happened 'behind the scenes' -- God humbled their ancestors and allowed them to become hungry that He might then feed them. Somewhere along the line they had lost track of the "why" of it all and had again lifted themselves. In another place, Jesus admonished, "Beware the leaven of the Pharisees..."

Jesus had just fed them with the loaves and fishes. They tried to lift themselves declaring, "Our fathers were fed with the mana from heaven..."
Then asked, "What are the works of God?" They wanted to do the miraculous. "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" Their dreams were of very grand things.

Jesus, the true mana, replied, "Believe in Him whom God has sent."

We see later that Thomas believed and declared, "My Lord and my God..." (John 20:28-29) Compare John 6:35, 36 with what Jesus told Thomas. Jesus was talking about us. We are those who have not seen.

Jesus was speaking to those who had just been fed by the loaves and fishes: John 6:36 (NIV): "But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe."

Jesus speaking to Thomas: Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." (John 20:29)
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Now we read again the quote that gr8grace3 brought: Acts 16:30-31
... "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."​

 

[netchaplain]

Perceiving,metabolizing and applying bible doctrine is key to the works that a Christian is to do.

Acts 16:31 is salvation for any man.It can not be lost and it cannot be attained any other way.

If we live a life of service and do great things all of our lives and our motivation is "to keep ourselves saved or to get saved." Those works are worthless and are burned up in the end. They are, in spiritual reality,evil.

Take 2 men that feed the poor for an example. One does it out of thankfulness for his salvation(divine good) and the other does it to keep himself saved(human good)

One is Good and one is evil. It all looks good from a human perspective, but from a divine perspective, one is evil.

Heb 5:13-14~~13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

If we are not trained in bible doctrine, evil can look good to us.

Hi GG - Thanks for the instructional reply, and God's blessings to your Family!

 

[Kemosabe]

for_his_glory: Kemosabe what is the do and what is Gods will that will are to do?

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

The words of Jesus, The Word of God.

We prayerfully seek guidance and follower the Word.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

"And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."
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[Kemosabe]

netchaplain :
Yes, those who are His will do His will and not only is the desire to do His will the result of Him "working" the desire in us, He also causes us to perform (do) it out of that desire.
It's a matter of how you understand the passage, which can vary between one another, but I believe there is much significance in realizing that it's always God's "work in us" that maintains our desire for His will because He has the "preeminence" in all things (Col 1:18), which keeps me from attempting to claim any credit for any godliness in my life.

Not disagreeing on any point, understanding that "causes" requires full compliance on our part to come to fruition.

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

We do the seeking and doing, and God supplies the "to will" and the "to do".

Moses got direction from God and did and said according to the directions. What he actually did or said wasn't very much in terms of physical work; said a few words and threw down a rod and other things. God did all the work, and the directions and words were His. However, it was a tremendous act of faith to go before the supreme ruler and tell him impossible things were going to happen, and threaten him in the name of God.

So, all was from God, but it took a completely obedient vessel to accomplice the task according to God's will.

That's our "work", being obedient vessels that God can work through.

It's not our "work" or our "will"; we have to surrender our will to God's will in order for God to work through us.

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."; otherwise, we're not letting God work through us.

netchaplain : those who are His will do His will

Lest look at this in the same perspective Jesus uses.
We are His if we do His will.

"Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

There's an "IF"in there.
It's up to us what we decide to do with the "IF".
The "IF" is eternally important.
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[for_his_glory]

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

The words of Jesus, The Word of God.

We prayerfully seek guidance and follower the Word.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

"And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people."
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Maybe you did not understand me, sorry. What do we do as followers of Christ and what exactly is the will of the Father mean to you. We are already in the word and saved by Gods free gift of grace, now what are we to do within His works in us.

 

[Kemosabe]

gr8grace3:
Take 2 men that feed the poor for an example. One does it out of thankfulness for his salvation(divine good) and the other does it to keep himself saved(human good)
One is Good and one is evil. It all looks good from a human perspective, but from a divine perspective, one is evil.

straw-man argument
You left out doing it because God says to do it.

Jesus says; "Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

If they're doing what Jesus says to do, I'm not going to judge them "evil".

'from a divine perspective' ... Who's in charge of that? ... I ain't calling His friends "evil" ... I'll step aside when they come around ... I don't want any trouble with their Friend.

 

[Kemosabe]

for_his_glory: Maybe you did not understand me, sorry. What do we do as followers of Christ and what exactly is the will of the Father mean to you. We are already in the word and saved by Gods free gift of grace, now what are we to do within His works in us.

Look up "do" in a dictionary, and see if "do" do anything without doing the "do".

Jesus done did, now you do the "do".

Ye are my friends, if ye "do" whatsoever I command you.

 

[for_his_glory]

Look up "do" in a dictionary, and see if "do" do anything without doing the "do".

Jesus done did, now you do the "do".

Ye are my friends, if ye "do" whatsoever I command you.

can you define the "do" as in what we are commanded to do as in what types of do that we are commanded to do. As per what type of things that Jesus did that we are to continue in doing.

 

[Kemosabe]

for_his_glory: can you ...

Make your point, with scriptures to back it up.