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[JLB]

Seems to me God knew what He was doing when He knocked Saul to the ground.. Saul was very knowledgeable of the Torah or the OT, The books of Moses, the laws the 10 the ceremonial laws..... how ever one wants to acknowledge them... That knowledge seems to have been important to God.. He could have chosen anyone, He did choose anyone and that one was fully immersed in the law.

Paul was sent to the Gentiles who knew nothing of the Law, so Paul's extensive knowledge of the Law was useless, whereby he had to relay on the Holy Spirit.

Of course his letters are written extensively to guard his gentile churches against turn back to the law.


JLB

 

[gr8grace]

If a saved person doesn't keep the Law is that person still saved?

Or was that person just not saved in the first Place?

Keeping the law isn't something we learn to do instantly. I haven't always kept the Sabbath or eaten kosher food , because I didn't know about these things when I was first saved. I have, since I was saved 40 years ago, wanted to obey God to the best of my ability. When I realized that these things were God's will, I started doing them. But I was still saved before I did them. Doing the things in the law doesn't save anybody.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Eph. 2:8-9 ESV)

The TOG
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Now that you know some of the things that you are supposed to do. Would you become unsaved if you stopped practicing them?

 

[reba]

Why ever do you read the Scriptures?

 

[Elijah674]

If a saved person doesn't keep the Law is that person still saved?

Or was that person just not saved in the first Place?

Keeping the law isn't something we learn to do instantly. I haven't always kept the Sabbath or eaten kosher food , because I didn't know about these things when I was first saved. I have, since I was saved 40 years ago, wanted to obey God to the best of my ability. When I realized that these things were God's will, I started doing them. But I was still saved before I did them. Doing the things in the law doesn't save anybody.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Eph. 2:8-9 ESV)

The TOG
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Now that you know some of the things that you are supposed to do. Would you become unsaved if you stopped practicing them?

?? Who that loves Christ would do that?? But the answer is that when one knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin! And after a while one goes from that on & on in the same sin.. that it has a negative effect to where they cannot be reached. Case in point is Laodicea of Rev. 3:16-17, where it states that the Very Cold are easier to be reached than the Lukewarm... in fact note verse 9 for where the last fold has ended up? Both are on the scene at the same time! There are only the two on the scene in the end of time & Philadelphia is seen in verse 10 as being saved from the 666 Mark of the beast. And the whole fold of Laodicea becomes Rev. 3:9!

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

Why ever do you read the Scriptures?

To be instructed in righteousness.

Not the righteousness that came from the Law, but the righteousness of faith.

We are taught and instructed from the scriptures that the Law is not of faith.

We are instructed from the scriptures that without faith, it is impossible to please God.

Yet we have people on this Forum who are trying to convince us that we should keep the law of Moses.

Even though, faith, nor righteous, nor salvation, nor justification comes from keeping the Law.

What would be the reason for keeping the Law that the bible says has vanished away?


That would be one reason why to read the scriptures.


JLB

 

[TOG]

Trying to keep the Law of Moses the best you can, is what I was referring to.

Religion is mans best efforts to get to God.

I didn't actually mention the law of Moses in that post. I talked about obeying God.

The TOG
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[TOG]

Now that you know some of the things that you are supposed to do. Would you become unsaved if you stopped practicing them?

I have said this repeatedly, but some people don't seem to get it (or maybe they don't want to), so I'll say it one more time.

We do not obey God to be saved or to stay saved, but because we are saved.

Which part of that is so hard to understand?

The TOG
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[reba]

JLB so you could just not bother with a good portion of OT. God had no reason to make sure we had the useless laws as far as your concerned?

 

[JLB]

Trying to keep the Law of Moses the best you can, is what I was referring to.

Religion is mans best efforts to get to God.

I didn't actually mention the law of Moses in that post. I talked about obeying God.

The TOG
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Yet you infer and insinuate that obeying God means keeping feast days, and not eating certain foods, and observing special days...

It's funny how I never hear anyone who thinks we should keep Moses Law, talk about Speaking in Tongues, or layings hands on the sick and watching them get healed, or cast out devils or doing any of the works That jesus said a believer would do.

It is always spending your time and effort, trying to abide by the special rule about Saturday, or not wearing this clothing because it has both cotton and linen or observing this special feast day, or cleaning your house of any yeast, or not mixing meat and cheese on your hamburger...


A form of godliness with no power.


JLB

 

[reba]

To keep Passover was a law.....

Has that law vanished ?

 

[JLB]

To keep Passover was a law.....

Has that law vanished ?

The Passover was a shadow, the shadow has vanished because The Light that produced the shadow has come.

It was fulfilled in Christ.

He is our Passover.

We don't have to wait for a special Passover Day to receive the Salvation from the Passover Lamb.


JLB

 

[reba]

Luk_22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Nuff of this for me... as a girl i can get too emotional

 

[JLB]

Luk_22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Nuff of this for me... as a girl i can get too emotional

Yes. I think we should take communion regularly, in remembrance of Him.

 

[TOG]

It's funny how I never hear anyone who thinks we should keep Moses Law, talk about Speaking in Tongues, or layings hands on the sick and watching them get healed, or cast out devils or doing any of the works That jesus said a believer would do.

I guess there's a first time for everything. I believe in all those things. I've even done some of them myself.

It is always spending your time and effort, trying to abide by the special rule about Saturday,

Are you "always spending your time and effort" trying to keep special rules like "Thou shallt not kill" or "Honor your father and mother"? No, I suppose you aren't. It doesn't take nearly as much work as you imply. In fact, the Sabbath is all about not spending effort. Saying that you have to spend time and effort to rest doesn't make a lot of sense.

or not wearing this clothing because it has both cotton and linen

You won't find that one in the Bible. The commandment actually concerns wool and linen woven together. Note that the term "linen" is often used to refer to cotton. That's not what is meant in the Bible. It's talking about a cloth made from flax. When was the last time you saw clothes woven from flax and wool? I never have.

or observing this special feast day, or cleaning your house of any yeast,

Do you celebrate Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving or any other "special feast days"? Do you clean your house for those days, or at least do spring cleaning once a year (a practice which, btw, is originally derived from the Biblical command to remove all yeast before Passover.)

...the origin of spring cleaning can be traced to the ancient Jewish practice of thoroughly cleansing the home in anticipation of the spring-time memorial feast of Passover (Hebrew: פסח pesach‎).

or not mixing meat and cheese on your hamburger...

That's not a Biblical rule either. It's a Pharisaical rule that was added much later. I have no problem with cheeseburgers, cheese on meat and pasta or using cream in meat dishes.

If you're going to criticize the law, you really should learn more about it first.

A form of godliness with no power.

I don't like to boast, so I won't go into any details, but trust me, that doesn't apply to me.

The TOG
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[TOG]

The Passover was a shadow, the shadow has vanished because The Light that produced the shadow has come.

I'm afraid your analogy is a bit faulty. Where there is no light, there is no shadow either. The shadow becomes clearer the more light there is. If you don't believe me, just go outside and compare your shadow on a sunny day and on a cloudy day.

We don't have to wait for a special Passover Day to receive the Salvation from the Passover Lamb.

The Passover lamb wasn't about salvation. In fact, salvation, Heaven and eternal life aren't mentioned in the law. That's not what it's about. It's about how to live life hear on earth. You really should learn more before you start criticizing.

The TOG
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[Ryan]

Take away the shadows from someone and you got vampires! YIKES!!!

 

[Ryan]

I do find interesting that throughout all scriptures, the natural always points to the spiritual (1 Corinthians 15:46). So when [MENTION=96759]TOG[/MENTION] you use the natural laws of physics to make a point about shadows and what not, there is never a hint in scripture about the shadow still not maintaining it's role or function. It still works and functions withing the natural laws of physics. The only time in the bible I believe when there is a spiritual point being made that doesn't match up with the natural order of nature is in Romans 11:24. Paul goes out of his way to explain that the grafting in is not of the natural order of things.

So with that reasoning, I submit that if shadow's were to fall off so to speak, there would have been an explanation explaining this spiritual point goes against the natural order of the world. Just rambling, sorry.

 

[reba]

Take away the shadows and you have the Light of World.

 

[reba]

The Passover lamb wasn't about salvation. In fact, salvation, Heaven and eternal life aren't mentioned in the law. That's not what it's about. It's about how to live life hear on earth. You really should learn more before you start criticizing. The TOG

_1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Joh_1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
Act_8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
1Pe_1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

 

[JLB]

I'm afraid your analogy is a bit faulty. Where there is no light, there is no shadow either. The shadow becomes clearer the more light there is.

When the light is directly over you, where is the shadow? Its vanished away.


JLB