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elijah23
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Not all things are provable. That doesn’t make them wrong.
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7 reasons gay ain't OK
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Not all things are provable. That doesn’t make them wrong.
jasoncran
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even when i was a fornicator with women only, most of the time i didnt sleep with them until i was in a relationship with them.only one time did i have a one night stand.
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elijah23
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No, I said I disagree.
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elijah23
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The very first time you had premarital sex you got yourself on the wrong path.
DarkHorseRising
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Now you're grasping at straws, but I'll respond nonetheless.
God is a supernatural being. No, you cannot "prove" God exists, as people would understand the concept.
Gay males are not supernatural beings. It can be easily proven that your claims are false; although an affirmative proof would be difficult, a good start might be to offer something, anything, beyond your personal opinion of what gay people do in their relationships.
jasoncran
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if was 20 years younger i would have been encouraged at age 10 to be a bi male in school these days. that is when i had that desire to like boys as well.
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elijah23
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You and I have both sinned. We have both confessed our sin.
Now it is time to take a stand against sin so that others can avoid the mistakes you and I have made.
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elijah23
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It serves no purpose trying to justify sin.
DarkHorseRising
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Which is why nobody on this thread is trying to do so.
jasoncran
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sir, i have done just that throughout this thread,but i wont do it with arguments that arent simply true because i have been where they are.i can say what ce says as that is his story. so i only state what i did and know about and have observed. that is all.
one may not have sex to be in love. that makes no sense. i loved my wife before we married. we had sex after we married. by your thinking we can only love if we have sex. where you get that idea about gays is beyond me.
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elijah23
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My argument is the truth.
jasoncran
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sir, im the exception to that. i know im not alone. im not the only former member of the lbgt here.
i was a virgin until 20 and tell me how i could have like boys at the age of ten? how could one also being not a virgin, act on the other side and fall for a male yet without sex at first? it happened that way. i wont go into the details here but i know. i was there YOU werent.
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elijah23
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No, you got off on the wrong path and have allowed yourself to believe something that isn't true, I believe.
jasoncran
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how does a ten year old that was born in 1973 do that? i know it was wrong and that queers were wrong. i was a jw then and didnt curse or watch that junk on tv then for the most part. yet i know that it was wrong.
i had girls throw themselves at me in high school and i refused them. so please.yes i can say that after my loss of viriginity and porn addiction then did make it easier to be that way but before that???
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elijah23
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Ten year olds aren't in love.
Mike
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Elijah, you've derailed this thread by making a statement in which the burden of proof is on you and that you will never be able to substantiate. IMHO, you lose your credibility by making, and hanging onto, an exhaustive claim like that. The most you can legitimately say is "I believe...", and no one could say you don't believe what you've said.
Further attempts to validate your statements will be deleted and could demand further action. It ends here.
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Further attempts to validate your statements will be deleted and could demand further action. It ends here.
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jasoncran
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well where does love start with? an attraction.
its not like i asked for this. i didnt.
Christ_empowered
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I'd kinda like to apologize for starting this. Seriously, I was just running through thoughts in my head and thought I'd post them, which didn't seem like a huge deal since homosexuality-related threads pop up all the time here.
To clarify for anyone who cares, I'm not trying to come off as holier-than-thou by stating reasons I've come to think that homosexuality is dead end. I'm just putting out on the forum stuff I've come up with as God has restored my mind and opened my eyes to certain things. I still struggle with same-sex attraction, just not as much as I used to. At this point, now that a lot of my gender issues and self-love issues and general immaturity and sin problems have been resolved, my same-sex attraction is less intense and more manageable. From what I understand, that's often considered a "good outcome" in so-called "reparative therapy," so I guess that's progress.
I don't think all gay lives are wasted, and lots of homosexuals are cool people who contribute to society. No argument there. I'm just trying to put my thoughts together--sort of a combined reflection on my own life, observation of what's around me, all somewhat informed by Scripture--to figure out WHY gay isn't OK Biblically and WHY homosexual behavior is considered such a serious sin in traditional Christianity (and, actually, in more traditional secular value systems, too).
So please, don't think I'm some holier-than-thou dude who prayed away the gay and is here to condemn people. I struggle. I have to run through my observations and thoughts to stay on the straight and narrow because, honestly, sometimes I get the temptation to re-interpret (or ignore) Scripture and "do my own thing."
I will say that I find it somewhat disturbing that, even among Christians, pointing out obvious problems with homosexual behavior and the "gay" community triggers accusations of being "judgmental" or somehow un-Christian. The Catholic Church has a wealth of information on homosexual orientation and behavior and reasons why The Church continues to prohibit the consummation of same-sex attraction. Although I'm not Catholic, I've always appreciated their approach to important issues. They seem to draw from the best of social sciences, philosophy, and traditional Christian thought to come to some rather impressive, cogent positions on homosexuality and other issues facing the modern believer.
Anyway, I thought about it, and I don't know that I'll contribute as much--or at all--to future "gay threads." Everybody's pretty much set in their ways, you know?
To clarify for anyone who cares, I'm not trying to come off as holier-than-thou by stating reasons I've come to think that homosexuality is dead end. I'm just putting out on the forum stuff I've come up with as God has restored my mind and opened my eyes to certain things. I still struggle with same-sex attraction, just not as much as I used to. At this point, now that a lot of my gender issues and self-love issues and general immaturity and sin problems have been resolved, my same-sex attraction is less intense and more manageable. From what I understand, that's often considered a "good outcome" in so-called "reparative therapy," so I guess that's progress.
I don't think all gay lives are wasted, and lots of homosexuals are cool people who contribute to society. No argument there. I'm just trying to put my thoughts together--sort of a combined reflection on my own life, observation of what's around me, all somewhat informed by Scripture--to figure out WHY gay isn't OK Biblically and WHY homosexual behavior is considered such a serious sin in traditional Christianity (and, actually, in more traditional secular value systems, too).
So please, don't think I'm some holier-than-thou dude who prayed away the gay and is here to condemn people. I struggle. I have to run through my observations and thoughts to stay on the straight and narrow because, honestly, sometimes I get the temptation to re-interpret (or ignore) Scripture and "do my own thing."
I will say that I find it somewhat disturbing that, even among Christians, pointing out obvious problems with homosexual behavior and the "gay" community triggers accusations of being "judgmental" or somehow un-Christian. The Catholic Church has a wealth of information on homosexual orientation and behavior and reasons why The Church continues to prohibit the consummation of same-sex attraction. Although I'm not Catholic, I've always appreciated their approach to important issues. They seem to draw from the best of social sciences, philosophy, and traditional Christian thought to come to some rather impressive, cogent positions on homosexuality and other issues facing the modern believer.
Anyway, I thought about it, and I don't know that I'll contribute as much--or at all--to future "gay threads." Everybody's pretty much set in their ways, you know?
westtexas
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I don't believe you owe any of us an apology. Thank you for your thoughts.
God bless.
Milk-Drops
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Christ_Empowered, I would also like to apologies to you for misreading your intentions. I mostly argued because many of the points you mentioned can be applied several destructive behaviors. If I had time I would explain further, but I think it's better to leave this brief.