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7 reasons gay ain't OK

elijah23 said:
Jesus told us not to have sex before we married and not to have sex with anyone we weren't married to. Homosexuals are people who disobeyed this command.
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As are many, many, many heterosexual people. Where's the page after page of angry rants directed at them? Their sin is not less, yet it gets virtually ignored.

Jesus also told us to not swear oaths (Matthew 5:34-37), to wash other people's feet (John 13:14), and to not hoard money or valuables (Matthew 6:19-21). I'd imagine that a number of people on this forum have failed to obey at least one of these commands. I know I have. Yet we don't have long winded posts going on and on about how these people are wrong, and pointing out seven hundred different ways they're evil and sinful. Why is that?

I'd suggest there is a disproportionate amount of effort and hysteria over one specific sin, to the exclusion of many other more common sins. I'd further suggest that this single overrepresented sin is conveniently one that most of its opponents have no risk of falling to.
 
DarkHorseRising said:
As are many, many, many heterosexual people. Where's the page after page of angry rants directed at them? Their sin is not less, yet it gets virtually ignored.

Yet we don't have long winded posts going on and on about how these people are wrong, and pointing out seven hundred different ways they're evil and sinful. Why is that?

I'd suggest there is a disproportionate amount of effort and hysteria over one specific sin, to the exclusion of many other more common sins. I'd further suggest that this single overrepresented sin is conveniently one that most of its opponents have no risk of falling to.
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I think the reason for this is that you'll find no disagreement that a heterosexual couple having premarital sex is a sin. Where there is agreement there is no debate. I believe you'd be hard pressed to name any other sin in scripture, where the line has become as blurred as it is between the secular world and the church, as it is with the sin of homosexuality. Thus the long winded posts. Where there is disagreement there is debate.

Westtexas
 
darkhorse. i serve my country with 4 lesbians. the .net is the only place that i bother with it. i have worked with them at my second job. one of them is my customer. i used to be into this stuff myself. i make sure that i dont operate in the wrong "spirit".

it would be like this, if my brother died from cocaine and cocaine was on list to be legalised and the data ignored on its bad effects and now was acceptable. wouldnt ya think that i would be agaisnt that? No not all gays and so forth are like ce says. but he is speaking where he is coming from that is all. yes i know heteros that are real hedonistic. i do wish the church attacked porn as well, and other sins.
 
westtexas said:
I think the reason for this is that you'll find no disagreement that a heterosexual couple having premarital sex is a sin. Where there is agreement there is no debate. I believe you'd be hard pressed to name any other sin in scripture, where the line has become as blurred as it is between the secular world and the church, as it is with the sin of homosexuality. Thus the long winded posts. Where there is disagreement there is debate.

Westtexas
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Except for divorce. As a matter of fact, when it comes to divorce, many in the church rush to assert that there is no reason why divorced people should consider themselves in any way "sinners"... no matter the cause. Divorce has done far more to destroy families than any "homosexual agenda". I wouldn't be at all surprised if some come on to debate this very post that divorce should even be considered a sin.
 
handy said:
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Except for divorce. As a matter of fact, when it comes to divorce, many in the church rush to assert that there is no reason why divorced people should consider themselves in any way "sinners"... no matter the cause. Divorce has done far more to destroy families than any "homosexual agenda". I wouldn't be at all surprised if some come on to debate this very post that divorce should even be considered a sin.
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Is divorce a sin? :lol sorry Sister, I know divorce is not funny, it destroys many families but I couldn't resist. Good point.
 
westtexas said:
Is divorce a sin? :lol sorry Sister, I know divorce is not funny, it destroys many families but I couldn't resist. Good point.
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:chair The chair for you!!!

:p

Seriously, the church lost the moral battleground on gay marriage when we openly compromised and then even wholly accepted divorce.

Friends of our divorced last summer. It was a second marriage for both of them. Adultery wasn't an issue in any of the marriages, first or theirs. They divorced basically because they couldn't resolve their issues without having yelling fights.

Their divorce became final in December. In January she came out with the fact that she was dating a new guy and she married him in April. She is emphatic that that there was no romantic relationship prior to the beginning of the divorce proceedings but she did have the new guy move in before her divorce was final and she re-married. We know this because her son is best friends with my son and he poured out all his hurt to us when he was spending the night one night.

They were, are and remain ministers, however they no longer co-minister the same congregation. She is still there, but he is on hiatus. She is ministering until the church hires a new minister, but she'll remain there and continue to lead bible studies. He has since moved to a different church.

I don't for a moment believe that their situation is all that uncommon in the church anymore, if not for ministers at least for many lay leaders, bible study leaders, elders and deacons.

This is the sort of thing that cost the Church the battle regarding homosexuality. As long as we explain away the sin of divorce and especially are so "understanding" of not only divorce but fornication, there is nothing we can say regarding homosexuality. This is why the world is pretty justified in their calls of hypocrisy on this issue.
 
DarkHorseRising said:
As are many, many, many heterosexual people. Where's the page after page of angry rants directed at them? Their sin is not less, yet it gets virtually ignored.

Jesus also told us to not swear oaths (Matthew 5:34-37), to wash other people's feet (John 13:14), and to not hoard money or valuables (Matthew 6:19-21). I'd imagine that a number of people on this forum have failed to obey at least one of these commands. I know I have. Yet we don't have long winded posts going on and on about how these people are wrong, and pointing out seven hundred different ways they're evil and sinful. Why is that?

I'd suggest there is a disproportionate amount of effort and hysteria over one specific sin, to the exclusion of many other more common sins. I'd further suggest that this single overrepresented sin is conveniently one that most of its opponents have no risk of falling to.
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Many heterosexuals have premarital sex. It is a sin. You will never find two homosexuals who haven't already had sex.
 
i didnt have sex that most think or call it but oral sex is well sex to me and the fda. the thoughts of it also are well a sin.if one feeds them. define sex elijah. some lesbians love but never have sex.
 
elijah23 said:
Many heterosexuals have premarital sex. It is a sin. You will never find two homosexuals who haven't already had sex.
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Out of curiosity, what is your motivation for pushing this point? Essentially, you're asserting that you will never find a person engaging in sin X who has never engaged in sin X.
 
DarkHorseRising said:
Out of curiosity, what is your motivation for pushing this point? Essentially, you're asserting that you will never find a person engaging in sin X who has never engaged in sin X.
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Homosexuality is a sin. I am trying to make people understand this.

Point 1: People aren't supposed to have sex until they marry.

Point 2: No two men would want to marry unless they were already having sex. The same cannot be said about heterosexual relationships.
 
elijah23 said:
Homosexuality is a sin. I am trying to make people understand this.

Point 1: People aren't supposed to have sex until they marry.

Point 2: No two men would want to marry unless they were already having sex. The same cannot be said about heterosexual relationships.
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We've been over this before. Your argument is flawed.
 
elijah23 said:
Homosexuality is a sin. I am trying to make people understand this.
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Everyone on this board understands that. Every adult in the United States is well aware of what the Bible says. Ditto for Europe. Whether they choose to follow that commandment or not will vary wildly; but don't pretend you are performing some service to inform us all of something we're as aware of as you are.


elijah23 said:
Point 1: People aren't supposed to have sex until they marry.
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Again, nobody is disputing the Biblical accuracy of this. Repeating it over and over is as patronizing as having someone in the passenger seat remind you at every intersection what a red light means.

elijah23 said:
Point 2: No two men would want to marry unless they were already having sex. The same cannot be said about heterosexual relationships.
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Yes it can. The vast majority of relationships (both straight and gay) involve pre-marital sex. Heterosexuals do NOT get to claim the high ground here; ten minutes of channel surfing on television will make it very clear that heterosexual sex outside of marriage is as rampant as anything else.

In any case, the point is irrelevant (as well as laughably ill informed). The sin of premarital sex is not somehow mitigated by the orientation of its practitioners. Likewise but separately, the sin of homosexuality is not mitigated by the state of the relationship between those involved. There may be overlap, but sin is sin.
 
Free said:
We've been over this before. Your argument is flawed.
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Both of my points are valid. Show me two men who want to marry each other who haven't already had sex. If you can, then you are right, but you will never be able to do it because you are not right.
 
DarkHorseRising said:
Everyone on this board understands that. Every adult in the United States is well aware of what the Bible says. Ditto for Europe. Whether they choose to follow that commandment or not will vary wildly; but don't pretend you are performing some service to inform us all of something we're as aware of as you are.




Again, nobody is disputing the Biblical accuracy of this. Repeating it over and over is as patronizing as having someone in the passenger seat remind you at every intersection what a red light means.



Yes it can. The vast majority of relationships (both straight and gay) involve pre-marital sex. Heterosexuals do NOT get to claim the high ground here; ten minutes of channel surfing on television will make it very clear that heterosexual sex outside of marriage is as rampant as anything else.

In any case, the point is irrelevant (as well as laughably ill informed). The sin of premarital sex is not somehow mitigated by the orientation of its practitioners. Likewise but separately, the sin of homosexuality is not mitigated by the state of the relationship between those involved. There may be overlap, but sin is sin.
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When heterosexuals have premarital sex, they are committing a sin. They are supposed to wait till they get married. Just because a lot of them do it doesn't make it right.
 
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