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9/11 Fact or Fiction...The Official Thread.

Were the events on 9/11/01 reported truthfully and accurately?

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Honestly, as someone who lost a scout master in the attack, and the son of someone who lost a friend in the attack, and as the friend of a girl who lost her father on the Plane that chrased in PA, and as the grandson of a woman who saw the plane hit the Pentagon, I find it ABSOLUTELY offensive to claim this was all a government plot. However, let's go ahead and ask the question one last time. Were the Events on 911 fact or fiction?
 
I know Tim.

At about 2004-2005, when the conspiracy theories were all the rage, I logged on quite a few forums that discussed the issue. I found (with a few exceptions of course) that those who lost loved ones believe the offical accounts. And that, without exception in my own personal experience, not one of those who held to the conspiracies had lost someone.

It seems as though, unless one had some personal loss connected to the day, it's more of an intriguing mind problem. And, those who didn't lose anyone on the day do not understand the offense, to those of us who did. I find it offensive too, that such a loss is boiled down to an "ah-ha, gotcha game" based solely on out and out lies and unprovable innuendo.

Which was why I started the PopMech thread, just to get the conspiracy theorists off the memorial thread.
 
I for one didn't know anyone who was personally affected by the attacks, but I am quite offended by the conspiracies and rumours. It is a disgrace to the people who lost their lives that day, and it is a victory to the enemy when we begin to blame ourselves and point fingers at our own government. I can just imagine the terrorists having a field day because people in this country are saying that Bush did this.
 
Its called a False Flag, the US does it all the time.
 
caromurp said:
... It is a disgrace to the people who lost their lives that day, and it is a victory to the enemy when we begin to blame ourselves and point fingers at our own government. I can just imagine the terrorists having a field day because people in this country are saying that Bush did this.
Yeah, makes me wonder, who are the real terrorists?

Listen, there are many sites on the Web that claim the Bible is full of controversy.
This is one of them: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Because it's on the Web, do I believe it?


Nah... ;-)
 
I just can't see how people can be so blind to truth, many people just don't want to believe that their government would do such a thing, but guess what, its nothing knew governments have been doing this stuff all over the world all the time, this incidence with 9/11 was just one of the big ones.

Here are just a few examples of how your beloved government used false flag.

http://911review.com/articles/anon/fals ... tions.html

and

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1605 - The infamous Guy Fawkes plot to blow up the English Parliament. Actually an institutional false flag plot used as a pretext for war with Spain. Official history still repeats this deception. 2
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1898 - The sinking of the USS Maine in Havana harbor was immediately pinned on the Spanish and the rallying call became, “Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain.†William Randolph-Hearst enflamed anti-Spanish sentiment in his papers by claiming definitively that it was a Spanish plot. No reliable evidence was ever produced linking Spain to the event. It is now widely believed that the event was a mechanical failure or false flag operation.
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1933 - The Reichstag Fire allows the Nazis to crack down on their opposition and take power. A naked cowering Dutch communist, Martin Van der Lubbe, is found on the scene and the Nazis immediately claim that the fire is a communist plot.

“The exact sequence of events will never be known, but Nazi storm troopers under the direction of Hermann Göring were also involved in torching the place. They had befriended the arsonist and may have known or even encouraged him to burn the Reichstag that night. The storm troopers, led by SA leader Karl Ernst, used the underground tunnel that connected Göring’s residence with the cellar in the Reichstag. They entered the building, scattered gasoline and incendiaries, then hurried back through the tunnel.†3
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After World War II, Operation Gladio was a “stay behind†operation by NATO, CIA, and MI6 to counter communist/leftist influence in Europe. These state-sponsored “secret armies†used false flag terrorism against their populations in order to frame left wing groups, influence elections, and justify increased “security.†Gladio has been confirmed by various governments and condemned by the European Parliament.
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1954 - The Lavon Affair, a “scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Suzannah, in which U.S. and U.K. targets in Egypt were bombed and evidence left implicating the Egyptian Muslm Brotherhood; a textbook example of a false flag operation.†4
 
I pretty much believe the Twin Towers were by terriots and PA, but the Pentagon that's another story, to much don't make sense. If a jet had hit the Pentagon fire damage from the jet fuel would have been unbelieveable just like the Twin Towers.
My only gripe is that our President or Military didn't respond in cutting down the losses. We would still have the tragic loss of our citizens, but possibly not as many, and possibly not as much suffering they went through. We can have our fighters in the air in the matter of minutes in somebody else busines, but not our own? They were a matter of minutes away, and maybe it was a misfire into the Pentagon trying to resove he problem before it reach it.....I don't know....I just know it don't add up.

Kudos HIM,
Carol <><
 
The human brain doesn't like chaos. It wants to put order and structure to every thing.

It is hard to comprehend the events as they were, therefore your mind tries to connect the dots, when there just aren't any to be connected.

Some people just take it to an extreme and start seeing pink bunnies in the clouds.

There is no evidence at all for any of the crazy theories people have put out, but it doesn't matter. Conspiracy theorists find the lack of evidence to be evidence. ie. Cover up job.

I am not saying it is impossible for the government to have been involved, it’s just not plausible

It is hard to imagine how the acts of 9/11 happened how they did, but there is no compelling evidence to suggest otherwise and it is not proper to spread wild fantasies based on nothing.
 
If a jet had hit the Pentagon fire damage from the jet fuel would have been unbelieveable just like the Twin Towers.

If you study the setup and design of the Pentagon versus the Twin Towers, it makes sense. Especially with the side that the jet hit being reinforced to protect against car bombs.

The two were totally different structures.

Not to mention the fact that people were on flight 77 and died. You would have to drag the theory of it not happening to the point of getting the airline involved, and all of the family members of the people that died. Well, also all of their friends, co-workers, and anyone else that knew them.

Here is a good site on debunking the claim that a boeing 757 did not hit the Pentagon

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... tml?page=6
 
OK, so this is what REALLY happened on 9/11:

Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq. For the oil you know. So, instead of simply acting upon all the broken UN resolutions, he decided to orchestrate a false flag attack on American citizens. But, because we ALL know that Bush is really stupid, instead of acting upon the outrage of Americans and the rest of the world immediately after 9/11, he waits almost two years, which by this time the unity of Americans has faded back into the same old divisive politics. Plus, again, because he is really stupid, (we all know for a fact that Bush is really stupid, plus having God like powers in the United State and can act unilaterally, with no checks and balances in place), instead of setting up this ‘false flag’ as coming from Iraq, he actually picks someone from a family which he has close personal ties with, which happen to be Saudis, not Iraqis. But, this makes sense, because Bush is stupid.

OK, so now to the false flag operation: What he did was set about the lie that there were secret cells of Muslim extremist terrorists at work in the United States and that they hijacked 4 civilian jets and crashed them into each of the twin towers, the Pentagon and the 4th target was going to be another high-profile building like the Capital. However, because Bush is stupid, he doesn’t want to stick with a simple plan of just crashing planes into buildings, oh no sir, that would be way too simple. So, instead he only orders that two planes hit the Twin Towers. The other operations would work a bit differently. For Flight 77 into the Pentagon, rather than just follow the plan of having a plane hit the Pentagon, he ordered that missiles or something else, a smaller jet plane or something like that be flown into the Pentagon. What REALLY happened to Flight 77 is that...there was actually NO SUCH FLIGHT. All the passenger lists were bogus, and the people that say that they lost loved ones on that flight are actually shadow government operatives that are lying to us. Their reason for lying is because Bush not only is paying them lots of money, but we all know how charismatic and eloquent he is, and his powers of persuasion is God-like. So, he persuaded American Airlines to be in on this false flag operation, which they gladly did because...well, they must all be Republicans. So, when folks come across widows, widowers, and kids who say, my mom, dad, wife, husband, died on Flight 77, well, even though they might just look like an ordinary kid of 10 or 12, or a housewife, or a bank clerk, hey, they not, they are actually part of the shadow government under Bush’s rule and they are lying to you. As for Barbara Olsen dying, well hey, we all know she worked for FOX news and we all know that FOX news is just a Republican outfit, so yeah, they would all be in on the lie as well.

As for all that wreckage around the Pentagon that day, well, while all the busy traffic was going by, they shot the missile or small jet, or whatever into the Pentagon, and then, while no one was looking they dragged out a bunch of airplane parts, engines, not to mention human body remains and just strew them all over the lawn there at the Pentagon to make it LOOK like a jet flew into the building, because this would be so much simpler and easier to cover up than to simply fly a civilian jet into the building the way they did the Twin Towers. As for where they got the human remains, well, the families of those people must be in on the lie as well.

Same is true of the families of United Flight 93. Even though we all know that the plane really did crash, it wasn’t because, as folks on the plane called and told loved ones that it had been hijacked. Because, as we all know, no cell phone calls were made, and those folks that are saying they received calls are lying. What happened to 93 was that it was simply shot down by our government. However, because Bush is stupid, (and we all know that Bush is stupid) he doesn’t simply say that the plane was shot down, even though one of the biggest claims of those crazy conspiracy theorists is that 9/11 action by the government is suspicious for the reason that none of the flights were shot down. So, even though they did shoot a flight down, they aren’t going to admit it, even though they are being routinely criticized for NOT shooting any of the flights down. And, even though Bush is stupid, remember he does have these God-like powers that cause hundreds, if not thousands, of government workers, family members, media members (and we all know how much the media loves Bush) to go along with, and continue to perpetrate his lies.

As for the Twin Towers, yes the planes did fly into them, but they didn’t fall because of that. Knowing that simply crashing two civilian planes into the towers wouldn’t be newsworthy enough, Bush ordered those buildings to be demolished with explosives. Now, it’s true that there were an estimated 14,000 folks in the WTC Towers that morning, and strangely, not one of them saw the explosives that were set to take the buildings down, or if they did, they ignored them. Or, maybe they were all in on the hoax as well, and were willing to go into the buildings and stay there, knowing that they were going to be demolished, but since survivors would be well paid, it was worth the risk.

Now, doesn’t this all make much more sense than the official story. :wink:
 
It took you a while to catch on, but you got it! :-D

Dora, that was priceless. :D
 
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 8-)
 
And the strong delusion hath a name: It shalt be known as "Google".
 
Dora, you have just solved the mother of all conspiracies!!! I no longer feel safe browsing this forum, its only a matter of time before President Bush figures out that there's a leak.

PS: did you know that Bush is in actual fact Bin Laden's albino half-brother? Ooops...they're coming....gotta dash :-D
 
Whether it was a conspiracy or not, people died. Families lost their loved ones. Children were left without their fathers and mothers. Being a daughter of a firefighter, it hits close to home. There is no humor in this what-so-ever. It was painful to watch and still painful to remember. It is proof that Jesus is coming back soon and it's so sad that so many lives were lost.

And to put my two-cents in, it was a terrorist attack.
 
If it was a terrorist attack the US did nothing, nothing at all to even attempt to stop it.
 
Oh, no, you're forgetting John, they shot down United 93, remember?

:x


Yes, people did die, and families were left behind, the vast majority of whom do not agree with the conspiracists. Yes, my post was dark humor, but I hope it also serves a point, the point being that these conspiracy theories are offensive. Hopefully, (albeit I'm not holding my breath here) when one takes these conspiracies to their logical conclusion, one can see how absurd they are, and when these kinds of absurdities are connected with the death of one's loved one's it truly is offensive.

Are there unanswered questions regarding 9/11? Of course there are. Can anyone name any event, from a traffic accident to the Crucifixion, where all questions are answered and all folks are satisfied with the answers? Of course not.

For the most part, most of the conspiracy theories have been proven false. However, this doesn't seem to matter to those who want to continue to cast doubt on what happened. Take a French guy, who has been proved wrong, and a YouTube video, which was remade not once, nor twice, but three different times, and those who want to believe in the conspiracies will go back to them and back to them and back to them again, ignoring or dismissing all evidence to the contrary. Talk about delusions. Only I don't think it's true delusion. I think at the heart of most folks, there is this kernal of truth which speaks to the fact that these absurd theories aren't true. Just like most folks probably really realize that Hillary Clinton really didn't kill Vincent Foster or Ed Willey, or that Barak Obama isn't really a Islamic terrorist himself, or that Sarah Palin really is the birthmother of that little baby. However, the 'theories' or let's call them what they are, the lies, fit so much into what one wants to believe, they're a little hard to give up.

Well, that's OK with politics and with questions like did Bush really steal the election from Gore, or did Palin really charge rape victims. But, it's really not OK with the death of almost 3000 loved ones.

It really isn't folks.
 
I just want to focus on the pentagon for now, i want a 100% honest and well thought out response from Handy.

Handy, from what i have read on this forum so far you would seem to be a smart individual, But please tell me how a 124ft wide 45ft tall and 150ft long aircraft made a 16ft hole in both the outer and inner sides of the pentagon, and the only wreckage found was a small scrap that was unburned and a small piece of a engine that did not even belong to the type of plane described in the official report.

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Note this was after the collapse, the hole at first was 16ft in diameter.
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Please explain why government officials seized all videos of the "plane" hitting the pentagon except for one that does not even show anything. All the government would have to do is released "ONE" video out of the dozens taken showing the plane and all this brewhaha would be silenced. Instead all we have is this.
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Does that small thing look like a big ole plane?


How could this "Plane" even come close to restricted airspace without getting shot down by the military jets that were so close to the pentagon?

How come some "witnesses" say they saw a plane while other say they saw a rocket?

How did a plane knock over 5 light polls with out damaging them?

How did the 2 6 ton titanium and steel engines burn up in a kerosene fireball that lasted a few moments?

What was under the blue tarp? what were they trying to hide? WHY HIDE ANYTHING? last time i checked if i hide something its because i don't want anyone to see or find it. Is that bad thinking?

Should i stop here or write about 30 other hows, whys etc?

Just give me an honest answer, think about it for once. Answer each of my above questions in your own words. Please. :cry:

I don't wish to start a civil forum war here, i just want the logic i speak to acknowledged.

EDIT: 1 more thing, what would it take for you to believe that the 9/11 attacks were false flag incidents, or at least part of the attacks I, E pentagon.
 
John, just because you don't understand things, it doesn't provide evidence for your case. If you would actually spend your time learning accurate things, and less time falling for these paranoid dellusions, you may just actually find the answers to your questions.

Don't go cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Eat something with fiber and that is good for you.

Click the popular mechanics link I provided and it goes over each issue with you. Now, unless the majority of the people involved and anyone whos done real research on this topic is in on it to....

Really think about the ins and outs of there being no real plane that hit the building and what all that involves in covering up. You have to admit it is pretty ridiculous.
 
I will add my voice to the many who assert that, indeed, terrorists commandeered planes and flew them into the WTC and the pentagon.
 
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