A Cessationist Passage?

[electedbyHim]

LoL.

Elected, GotQuestions here is interpreting the word "prophecy" through the same doctrinal bias MacArthur is. Almost the same exact wording is used throughout. I am telling you the word has always had to do with the predictive utterances of God.

I would make the same offer as with Arial. If you would like, list for me the passages (both OT and NT) where the word prophecy is used in a manner that has nothing to do with the predictive and we can discuss it. I will list the uses of the word where the term had a predictive meaning, and we can then compare the two sample groups and see which sense is more prevalent in the NT and OT.

The definitions from Macarthur, Gotquestions and others are wht I believe is for today.

I did give a definition from Thayer earlier in the thread on the actiual text.

G4394
προφητεία
prophēteia
Thayer Definition:
1) prophecy
1a) a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; especially by foretelling future events
1b) Used in the NT of the utterance of OT prophets
1b1) of the prediction of events relating to Christ’s kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions pertaining to it, the spirit of prophecy, the divine mind, to which the prophetic faculty is due
1b2) of the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers called prophets
1b3) the gifts and utterances of these prophets, especially of the predictions of the works of which, set apart to teach the gospel, will accomplish for the kingdom of Christ
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4396 (“prophecy”)

Mounce on 1 Corinthians 12:10
prophēteia
19x: prophecy, a prediction of future events, Mat_13:14; 2Pe_1:20-21; prophecy, a gifted faculty of setting forth and enforcing revealed truth, 1Co_12:10; 1Co_13:2; prophecy, matter of divine teaching set forth by special gift, 1Ti_1:18.

Hidden, to prophesize, as you believe, there would need to be a genuine prophet living today.

Can I assume that you believe there are real prophets today?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hidden, to prophesize, as you believe, there would need to be a genuine prophet living today.

Not necessarily, but I nevertheless do believe there are some today, yes.

Before we got into that, however, I wanted to keep the focus on the word. Was your answer from Thayer and Mounce to provide instances were the term refers to declarations that are not prophetic or supernatural? I'm trying to understand the Cessationist view that the term doesn't refer to the supernatural in some instances, and I want to know what those instances are.

 

[electedbyHim]

Not necessarily, but I nevertheless do believe there are some today, yes.

Before we got into that, however, I wanted to keep the focus on the word. Was your answer from Thayer and Mounce to provide instances were the term refers to declarations that are not prophetic or supernatural? I'm trying to understand the Cessationist view that the term doesn't refer to the supernatural in some instances, and I want to know what those instances are.

Was your answer from Thayer and Mounce to provide instances were the term refers to declarations that are not prophetic or supernatural?

No, just the actual definition of the word used in the actual text itself.

Thayer was on 1 Corinthinas 13:8
Mounce in 1 Corinthians 12:10

I am thinking you are looking for a supernatural meaning of the word prophecy.

Can you provide what you mean by supernatural?

When you use that word, my mind thinks of entities, deities, spirits, angels, etc.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

Certainly not a passage definitively clear to me. Here's LSV:

8 Love never fails; and whether [there be] prophecies, they will become useless; whether tongues, they will cease; whether knowledge, it will become useless; 9 for we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10 and when that which is perfect may come, then that which [is] in part will become useless. 11 When I was a child, I was speaking as a child, I was thinking as a child, I was reasoning as a child, and when I have become a man, I have made useless the things of the child; 12 for we now see obscurely through a mirror, and then face to face; now I know in part, and then I will fully know, as I was also known; 13 and now there remains faith, hope, love—these three; and the greatest of these [is] love.
I Corinthians 13:8-13

The Apostle clearly was writing about an event in his future. At that future moment, he, the Apostle, will fully know all things of the Lord, as he has been known by the Lord. So this is not the finalization of the Bible. Perhaps it is after the final separation of the wheat from the chaff, when the Bride of Christ is whole and complete, without a spot or wrinkle.

 

[Arial]

Again, I would repeat here Arial that the redefinition of the term is a deliberate attempt by Cessationists to take the supernatural out of the term, so as to then claim that the gifts are no longer in operation today.

I regard that as interpretation bias. But if you like, list for me the passages (both OT and NT) where the word prophecy is used in a manner that has nothing to do with the predictive and we can discuss it.

I will have to get back to that second part tomorrow. For now, I see an error in my own post. I meant to say "foretelling" instead of "forth telling." Foretelling is telling of future events, forthtelling is speaking forth the word of God. And it is a legitimate definition, not one used to redefine prophecy. But like I said---tomorrow.

 

[Arial]

Not necessarily, but I nevertheless do believe there are some today, yes.

Before we got into that, however, I wanted to keep the focus on the word. Was your answer from Thayer and Mounce to provide instances were the term refers to declarations that are not prophetic or supernatural? I'm trying to understand the Cessationist view that the term doesn't refer to the supernatural in some instances, and I want to know what those instances are.

I don't understand why you see the Cessationist view of prophecy as removing it from the supernatural. Also it is not a view invented by or unique to Cessationism.

Here is one scripture that shows a definition other than foretelling future events---right there in 1 Cor 14:3-4 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their up building and encouragement and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Certainly not a passage definitively clear to me. Here's LSV:

The Apostle clearly was writing about an event in his future. At that future moment, he, the Apostle, will fully know all things of the Lord, as he has been known by the Lord. So this is not the finalization of the Bible. Perhaps it is after the final separation of the wheat from the chaff, when the Bride of Christ is whole and complete, without a spot or wrinkle.

Hi Johnathan.

I take it as referring to when he is in Heaven. It is said that you can hear people's thoughts and not just their words, and I believe that's what it refers to. There will be no more hiding what we truly think and feel, because it will be bare before others. But they will all be saints of God, charged with loving us and ministering to his rather than judging us or condemning us for the things we believe.

As the Lord said, "Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven." Would that we were able to be this honest and open with one another here.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I will have to get back to that second part tomorrow. For now, I see an error in my own post. I meant to say "foretelling" instead of "forth telling." Foretelling is telling of future events, forthtelling is speaking forth the word of God. And it is a legitimate definition, not one used to redefine prophecy.

No problem, but I corrected it for you anyway.

But like I said---tomorrow.

Finished my work, so I should have some time, and I've never actually looked at all the scriptures that apply, so I'm kinda interested in going through it.

Be blessed, and talk to you tomorrow.

 

[Hidden In Him]

I don't understand why you see the Cessationist view of prophecy as removing it from the supernatural. Also it is not a view invented by or unique to Cessationism.

Well that's what I've seen before is all, although it doesn't mean all Cessationists take the same view on everything.

Here is one scripture that shows a definition other than foretelling future events---right there in 1 Cor 14:3-4 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their up building and encouragement and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

Ok, we'll start there tomorrow then!

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

Hi Johnathan.

I take it as referring to when he is in Heaven. It is said that you can hear people's thoughts and not just their words, and I believe that's what it refers to. There will be no more hiding what we truly think and feel, because it will be bare before others. But they will all be saints of God, charged with loving us and ministering to his rather than judging us or condemning us for the things we believe.

As the Lord said, "Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven." Would that we were able to be this honest and open with one another here.

Can't disagree. Not unrelated to John 17:20-23 and certain others. I just do not have a certainty as to when that was or will be, for Paul or for any of us. Is the "Paradise" which Christ discussed during His crucifixion, the same as "Heaven"? I have to consider that a question I cannot answer, because I do not have enough on the subject that the Lord Himself has said. In general I tend to think that it is strictly on an individual human basis, because of the Transfiguration, because of Lazarus at Abraham's bosom, and some other events and statements by the Lord. I don't generally apply this to "when that which is perfect has come", because that seems to be a very large and general event of an object, a thing, arriving in some fashion. And so it may be actually "the new earth"!

 

[Hidden In Him]

Can't disagree. Not unrelated to John 17:20-23 and certain others. I just do not have a certainty as to when that was or will be, for Paul or for any of us. Is the "Paradise" which Christ discussed during His crucifixion, the same as "Heaven"? I have to consider that a question I cannot answer, because I do not have enough on the subject that the Lord Himself has said. In general I tend to think that it is strictly on an individual human basis, because of the Transfiguration, because of Lazarus at Abraham's bosom, and some other events and statements by the Lord. I don't generally apply this to "when that which is perfect has come", because that seems to be a very large and general event of an object, a thing, arriving in some fashion. And so it may be actually "the new earth"!

I used to be a big collector of Third Heaven accounts - still have a bunch of them though it's been years since I cracked one - but in them it was sometimes said that Paradise proper is what the area surrounding the city of God is described as. If you will, it's the part that is filled with nature; trees, rivers, flowers, hills, fountains, landscaping, beautiful homes, mansions, etc. The throne of God is purportedly located at the apex of the city, so it's like making a distinction like we do between country and city, though that's a crude comparison at best, but a natural one.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Here is one scripture that shows a definition other than foretelling future events---right there in 1 Cor 14:3-4 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their up building and encouragement and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church.

I have a little time right now, so let me start in on this while I have time. First I will quote the passage for us:

1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and encouragement to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. (1 Corinthians 14:1-5)

Now the common Cessationist supposition here is that he is not speaking of predictive prophecy but merely utterance of God's word, but why is this assumption being made? There are numerous positive predictive prophecies that have been spoken over God's people in scripture, especially those concerning the Messiah. But also concerning Israel on occasion, such as came out of Balaam's mouth when the Spirit of God took charge of him and blessed Israel whether the prophet was intending to or not. Or the prophetic dream Joseph had that suggested he would be elevated to position above his brothers. Or the dream Pharaoh's baker had which Joseph interpreted that said his good fortunes would be restored.

Some of most beautiful positive prophecies were spoken by angels, such as those spoken to Zechariah and Mary, which were literally filled from beginning to end with positive exhortations, encouragement and hope, the point being that these prophecies were clearly positive and yet predictive, and it should not be read into 1 Corinthians 14:1-5 that just because the utterances being spoken of were positive that they were not predictive as well. I'm sure there are others I could find, but these are a few additional examples.

11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 Then Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. 16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the parents to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” (Luke 1:11-17)

26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” 29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” (Luke 1:26-33)

 

[Arial]

Now the common Cessationist supposition here is that he is not speaking of predictive prophecy but merely utterance of God's word, but why is this assumption being made?

Because of the context and logic. What would be edifying, encouraging etc, for those present but the truths of God? And where do they come from and where are they found? For the apostolic church they were found in the OT as interpreted by the Apostles in the NT and put forth in preaching and writings and letters. And we now have in full with the canonization of these things. So today---imo that same usage of the word "prophecy" ( and I am not saying it is always the exclusive usage) would be the preaching of the word---teaching. The gifts and offices given to the church often overlap.Some oversee, and some teach. A teacher would also be a prophet, but not a Prophet, a pastor or shepherd, would also teach etc. And these offices according to scripture must be appointments by God.

Why, I have often wondered, is such an emphasis put on knowing the future? Well, it is human nature. In many ways we are traveling blind, and if we knew what lay ahead, then we could avoid calamity and catastrophe. But for the believer, even though we still cannot see what has not yet come to pass, we are traveling beneath the shadow of his wings. And here comes the number one issue that fallen mankind fails in, and is at the very center of our covenant relationship with God---the very definition of faith----trusting in God to always do what he says he will do, as to our future. And this we have always available to us, in his word.

And I am going to take a bit of a side trip here, though it is really important, and show how this is made manifest theologically in the Mosaic Law. I noticed this early on, but it is only in the last few years that its theological application truly hit home. And it does relate to the conversation and foretelling.

Look first at the Sabbath rest. Six days of work, followed by a day of rest in which Israel was required by law to be trusting God to meet all the requirements of that day. Then it is expanded to a seventh year rest, in which God had to be trusted to provide enough in the sixth year to meet the needs that would have come from the seventh year until the harvest of the eighth year. And then there is the Jubilee which removes debt and restores property, and shows up again as the time period of the Babylonian exile, and related also to those years when Judah did not keep the seventh year rest of the land.

And then lets jump forward to the Lord's prayer. "Give us this day, our daily bread." Trusting God, placing faith in him, no matter what the circumstances, is the point. God is not working within the bounds of time. From our POV is is daily. And in our history, within his acting within our history, it is daily, hour by hour, minute by minute, no contingencies for him to deal with, his already knowing the end from the beginning because he is the beginning and the end, not because he looks into our future in order to deal with what is coming down the road apart from him.

 

[Arial]

There are numerous positive predictive prophecies that have been spoken over God's people in scripture, especially those concerning the Messiah.

Yes, and they are in the Bible both as future to the time they were given, immediate to the time they were written, involved most frequently, coming judgment, most of which were fulfilled within the pages of the Bible, both OT and NT, with only the utter destruction of God's enemies, including sin and death, and the consummation and restoration of creation remaining to be fulfilled, yet promised. But positive and predictive were never asserted to be mutually exclusive. In the case of the use of the word "prophesy" in 1 Cor 14, the context itself excludes its meaning only predictive prophecy. And in a real sense, all of God's word, spoken or read, has a predictive quality. The problem I find with the Charismatic view (and I use the term in a generalized way) is that predictive prophecy becomes "Tell me the future, and give the details", whether it be for an individual, about an individual, a circumstance, an outcome, or a nation.

Some of most beautiful positive prophecies were spoken by angels, such as those spoken to Zechariah and Mary, which were literally filled from beginning to end with positive exhortations, encouragement and hope, the point being that these prophecies were clearly positive and yet predictive, and it should not be read into 1 Corinthians 14:1-5 that just because the utterances being spoken of were positive that they were not predictive as well. I'm sure there are others I could find, but these are a few additional examples.

Positive and predictive are not mutually exclusive. It was not being asserted by me that if a prophecy---God's word spoken---is positive that means it is not predictive. I asserted that the context of 1 Cor 14 excludes the use of the word to prophecy, to always being predictive. If it were always predictive, we would have Paul in effect having prophesying in church gatherings as being disruptive and chaotic as he was chastising them for over their use of tongues.

 

[Arial]

Why would you say that a connection has not been made when all the same Greek vocabulary is used in both passages and both passages in context are talking about the gift of prophecy?

Because Numbers 12 and 1 Cor 13 are not dealing with the same subject.

 

[Arial]

Again, I would repeat here Arial that the redefinition of the term is a deliberate attempt by Cessationists to take the supernatural out of the term, so as to then claim that the gifts are no longer in operation today.

I regard that as interpretation bias. But if you like, list for me the passages (both OT and NT) where the word prophecy is used in a manner that has nothing to do with the predictive and we can discuss it.

You are asking me to dissect many scriptures and blur a distinction between predictive and not predictive, without giving your definition of predictive. The words given by the Prophets in Scripture often are both at the same time, with predictive naming the results not heeding, or not having heeded prior commands---disobedience to God. In that sense they are predictive. The ones that are telling of things that those alive in the OT times could not see but were promised, yet must play out in our history, are Messianic and pertain to the final goal and promise concerning redemption.

So what we really need to do is define what a Prophet is and then we will see that it is not exclusivie of foretelling of events that have yet to come to pass. We find an answer in Heb 1:1-2 "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, Hod spoke to our fathers by the Prophets, but in these days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world."

So we have right there, that the office of Prophet is no longer needed nor in affect. A prophet is someone chosen by God to speak for God. He imparted God's message. Before the Prophets, he spoke through judges, and when Israel asked for a king, the king was to be the mouth of God along with the Levitical priests.

To prophecy in the church today is to speak the word of God---and not in a fortune telling or extrasensory perception way. (Pardon the language. ) To speak his word as given in his word. The Bible is a closed book. Closed as in complete.

 

[Hidden In Him]

And I am going to take a bit of a side trip here, though it is really important, and show how this is made manifest theologically in the Mosaic Law. I noticed this early on, but it is only in the last few years that its theological application truly hit home. And it does relate to the conversation and foretelling.

Look first at the Sabbath rest. Six days of work, followed by a day of rest in which Israel was required by law to be trusting God to meet all the requirements of that day. Then it is expanded to a seventh year rest, in which God had to be trusted to provide enough in the sixth year to meet the needs that would have come from the seventh year until the harvest of the eighth year. And then there is the Jubilee which removes debt and restores property, and shows up again as the time period of the Babylonian exile, and related also to those years when Judah did not keep the seventh year rest of the land.

And then lets jump forward to the Lord's prayer. "Give us this day, our daily bread." Trusting God, placing faith in him, no matter what the circumstances, is the point. God is not working within the bounds of time. From our POV is is daily. And in our history, within his acting within our history, it is daily, hour by hour, minute by minute, no contingencies for him to deal with, his already knowing the end from the beginning because he is the beginning and the end, not because he looks into our future in order to deal with what is coming down the road apart from him.

Those are interesting observations, and pleasant reading, so there's not a lot to disagree with there. But now, your contention seems to be that the Continuist would not survive without prophecy, and this simply isn't the case. I interpret dreams on a constant basis, but my greatest love is discussing the written word and always has been. I've been interpreting dreams for about... eight years now, but I've been intently studying the word of God for the last 40. It is still my main focus, and I would be just fine without prophecy. And I have no problems believing in God's protection. But my spiritual walk intensified when I began to operate more in the prophetic, and here is the biggest point I would make on this: I no longer operate haphazardly. I don't operate in God's will in some vague and general sense anymore. I am increasingly operating according to specific directives that the Lord gives me.

Not sure if I would be fully communicating what I mean here clearly, but I have written a few threads on it in the past:

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Here is Part 2, and no need to necessarily read through all of this, but it goes to point of what my Christianity has become. I consider it to be an improvement on walking with Christ, not a detriment or spiritual decline of some kind:

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[Hidden In Him]

Because Numbers 12 and 1 Cor 13 are not dealing with the same subject.

Ok, but now, in apologetics, you need to state your actual case for this, not simply what you believe about it. You regard it as coincidence that the same Greek wording is used in both passages, and coincidence that in context both passages are talking about prophecy? That's kinda my beef with the average Cessationist (not you, mind you. I'm just saying I run into this a lot). There is this great stress on the written word, but when the written word seems to present something that runs counter to what they believe it never gets addressed.

If you can, tell me why both passages would use the same Greek wording in the phrases ἐν αἰνίγματι and πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον ("in an enigma" and "face to face") and not be dealing with the same subject?

 

[Arial]

Those are interesting observations, and pleasant reading, so there's not a lot to disagree with there. But now, your contention seems to be that the Continuist would not survive without prophecy, and this simply isn't the case.

I have no idea where or why you made the leap from what I said to concluding that I was saying the Continuist would not survive without prophecy. This has been my gripe, ( since you mentioned yours with cessationist) with those who disagree with various aspects of Reformed theology. It is as though they put words in the mouths of the Reformed that were never spoken, inferred, or implied. Straw man arguments.

I interpret dreams on a constant basis, but my greatest love is discussing the written word and always has been.

Here I will point out something that I find disagreeable and so subjective as to be what I consider, outside the Bible. The fact that there were a few instances in the Bible where God gave dreams to one person and the interpretation to another, they were all playing a purpose in the recorded history of redemption. It does not mean that such a thing is common. And when someone interprets a dream, there is no way of determining if that interpretation is correct or that the person has been given the assignment to do so by God. Utterly subjective. No way to check it against scripture. And yet those desiring the dream to be interpreted take it as authoritative. Everything in the Bible is objective, never subjective---as are all things of God.

But my spiritual walk intensified when I began to operate more in the prophetic, and here is the biggest point I would make on this: I no longer operate haphazardly. I don't operate in God's will in some vague and general sense anymore. I am increasingly operating according to specific directives that the Lord gives me.

Well, we are going into a realm here that is very difficult for me to maintain non hostile seeming responses. I say they seem hostile, because there is no way they cannot, whether there is hostility in me or not. And there is, but towards the teaching not the individuals who follow the teaching. I have a sister immersed in it. So I am going to back out of that aspect of the conversation.

So I will just say, your "proof" is purely experiential---based on experiences---and experiences are subjective. How do you know for instance that you are operating according to specific directives that the Lord is giving you?

I simply ask him to make my paths straight before me 'cause according to his word it is he who can do that. To direct my footsteps and lead me in paths of righteousness for his namesake, and since he said he would do that, I believe he will. He will complete the work in me that he began.

And I will say too, that it is very important how we build on the foundation that the apostles laid. Everything built on that foundation will survive. Everything built on a different foundation will be burned up though we ourselves will be saved.

 

[electedbyHim]

Arial said...

Well, we are going into a realm here that is very difficult for me to maintain non hostile seeming responses. I say they seem hostile, because there is no way they cannot, whether there is hostility in me or not.

I agree with this. From past expereince it can get ugly, evn know it was not my motivation. Just pointing out basic truths, has caused hostility and division.

However, some ask for truthful answers and cannot handle it. Hidden In Him please do not think I am speaking of you. (I edited my post to add that).

Arial said...

So I will just say, your "proof" is purely experiential---based on experiences---and experiences are subjective. How do you know for instance that you are operating according to specific directives that the Lord is giving you?

I completely agree with this.

It seems in the Pentecostal/charismatic circles, everyone is seeking and experience.

Many have claimed that their emotions and feelings are in fact the Holy Spirit moving and guiding them.

Anyhow, I have veered off the path.

Hidden In Him, what is your definition of a Prophet.