A major doctrinal change after the apostles

[Theodore A. Jones]

Please show where in the Bible this is mentioned.

Good question. But the truth that the Bible establishes is a compile of facts over time and associated explanatory statements not relative to time. I'll take a look and see if there is a direct statement where the Bible mentions my conclusion you've highlighted since at this point I do not know if it does. However crucifying Jesus' was the felony of first degree murder by conspiracy, i.e. malice aforethought. Mt. 26:4, Acts 5:30 & Acts 7:52

 

[Mitspa]

Dry churches are those where the Holy Spirit is not really welcome.
Dry churches are those where men insist on being in control of the services instead of God.
Dry churches are those where the 9 gifts of the Spirit are not in operation (see 1 Cor 12).
Anyone not understand now?

Thank you brother! Dont feel all alone there are more of us, than those that reject the Holy Spirit of God. We grow day by day and in every nation and tribe! The "True Church" formed and ruled by the Holy Spirit will again be seen on the earth! All the doubters can do is point the finger, and cry "this is satan" but they will have a "Day" when they must answer for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit! It does not help that satan uses so-called "pentacostal" nuts and flakes to make the "true way" evil spoken of. But I would not give "one bit" of Holy Spirit up for all the "religion" in the world!


Jud 1:17

But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18

How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, :onfire Glory!


-Mitspa

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Theodore, You said, "However crucifying Jesus' was the felony of first degree murder by conspiracy, i.e. malice aforethought."

It would seem that in order for Christ's crucifiction to qualify to pay our genuine debts for sin it would have had to be a as the result of a just, however manipulated by the Jews, system and with just cause. As I understand it, it was the result of a just system according to the rules and procedures of Roman law, regardless of political considerations. Barabus and the holiday or whatever event offered the opportunity for Pilate to have Jesus crucified in the substitutionary exchange under Roman law which pleased the Jews and washed his hands of cruifiction for something Roman law disallowed. The Jews did not kill Jesus with their conspiracy, the Romans allowed the Jews to manipulate them into killing Jesus, "justly" rather than having to deal with an insurrection or uprising which the Jews would have most certainly initiated.

Yes I am surely guilty of writing the satement you have cited, but I am not guilty of arguing that it is not true.

 

[Adullam]

The doctrines of modern evangelical churches cannot be called "apostolic". There is an overemphasis on a misunderstanding of Paul's message that seems to contradict what Jesus and the other apostles are saying.

I would call Luther's reformation a great deviation although he did address a corrupt church system. He created another system that persecuted the true brethren (anabaptists). What has been shown is that all human systems corrupt the truth. It is inevitable that doctrine is also corrupted. But the biblical record remains...thank God. And the presence of God is still reachable through repentance and surrender.

 

[Free]

Good question. But the truth that the Bible establishes is a compile of facts over time and associated explanatory statements not relative to time. I'll take a look and see if there is a direct statement where the Bible mentions my conclusion you've highlighted since at this point I do not know if it does. However crucifying Jesus' was the felony of first degree murder by conspiracy, i.e. malice aforethought. Mt. 26:4, Acts 5:30 & Acts 7:52

Found it yet?

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

Found it yet?

I've not had time to look. I am in the process of moving my residence. To my knowledge at present there is not a stand alone verse in the scripture that makes the conclusive statement that I've made. However as I said the Bible is a compile of factual evidence. If you disagree with my statement fine. But proving it to be incorrect is not possible without resorting to a source of support other than the Bible. If you think that the Bible will disprove my conclusion be my guest, but your refute will be a proveable misinterpretation of the scriptures.

 

[Free]

I've not had time to look. I am in the process of moving my residence. To my knowledge at present there is not a stand alone verse in the scripture that makes the conclusive statement that I've made. However as I said the Bible is a compile of factual evidence. If you disagree with my statement fine. But proving it to be incorrect is not possible without resorting to a source of support other than the Bible. If you think that the Bible will disprove my conclusion be my guest, but your refute will be a proveable misinterpretation of the scriptures.

I do disagree with your statement and cannot think of any evidence at all that could support such a conclusion. The onus is on you to prove your claims true. Once you can do that, then I'll be able to give an appropriate response.

 

[k4dl]

The doctrines of modern evangelical churches cannot be called "apostolic". There is an overemphasis on a misunderstanding of Paul's message that seems to contradict what Jesus and the other apostles are saying.

I would call Luther's reformation a great deviation although he did address a corrupt church system. He created another system that persecuted the true brethren (anabaptists). What has been shown is that all human systems corrupt the truth. It is inevitable that doctrine is also corrupted. But the biblical record remains...thank God. And the presence of God is still reachable through repentance and surrender.

OH someone else who is aware of the line of "true brethren" that has existed since the beginning.

 

[Hitch]

Dry churches are those where the Holy Spirit is not really welcome.
Dry churches are those where men insist on being in control of the services instead of God.
Dry churches are those where the 9 gifts of the Spirit are not in operation (see 1 Cor 12).
Anyone not understand now?

Dry churches are those with out the 'oil of the Spirit' and some of the churches insisting on miraculous 'gifts' are lacking on basic Trinitarian doctrine.

Ill take a dusty old firmly Trinitarian pastor over a tongue-speaking modalist any day.

 

[Mitspa]

There is an overemphasis on a misunderstanding of Paul's message that seems to contradict what Jesus and the other apostles are saying.

The issue is not with Paul, nor his letters. they are in perfect unity with all scripture!
The Holy Spirit is the true author of all scripture! The carnal and unlearned wrestle with Pauls letters because they have not come to the Cross and died to their own self-righteousness, and self-life.

2Pe 3:15

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.



Paul stated boldly "All men will be judged according to my gospel" if anyman preach another gospel that that which he preached they are accursed from Christ!