A message for all Sabbath breakers.....Owned!!

[Vic C.]

First of all: Have you been reading anything like the book "National Sunday Law" (Amazing Truth Publications, P.O. Box 68, Thompsonville, IL 62890, 1998) by A. Jan Marcussen?

Oy. I read this... well part of it anyway. I got up to page 25 in ch. 3. I just don't buy into all the Rome, Pope, Nero stuff, so I quit reading it. Plus, they were starting to get into the numeralogy stuff to determine 666. Since I believe the mark is for comfirming and not determining, I didn't feel the need to read further. Plus, I do not equate corporate worship with the Sabbath.

Now, why was I reading it in the first place? It was given to our former Pastor, who has moved on to another assembly in the Midwest, by someone. I don't know who. When he packed up, he left this book behind. Funny thing is, I don't recall him leaving behind anything else. I guess he didn't like it either. 8-)

 

[Servant_2000]

[quote="servant_2000":e0a54][quote="John the Baptist":e0a54]
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Wow! "Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them." Huh? Numbers 16:1-5

---John

Thanks for so prompt a reply.

"I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of Adventism." Psalm 84:10 NIV (with apology for changing one word).[/quote:e0a54]

*******My advice: Before you "ask us,"

John here: Are you speaking for the whole group here now? :angel: And you think that Korah will go to heaven???

Any way, your 'posting spirit' comes across sounding more as the one in Isaiah 14:12-16 than a heavenly Sanctuary door keeper or greeter, to me? Read your postings back to yourself?? You really like Adventists huh?
I think that you were defining Jay T. by name, even?? Whatever??

I suspect to see you as a sweet Born Again moderator door keeper, with warning bells in your posting for even me, before long, huh? You know, mother, may I,I,I,I,I! :fadein:

There are lots of us who are not Adventist's who Keep the Lords Blessed & set aside for Holy use 7th Day Sabbath!

He tells me that if I love Him, keep His commandments! And I do Love Him, how about you???
Is there enough evidence in the heavenly RECORD BOOKS to prove your door keeping positions worth?

You know, "Let us hear the conclusion of the WHOLE MATTER: Fear God and keep [HIS COMMANDMENTS]: for this is the WHOLE DUTY of man." (even door keepers?)

And the house of your God you say? Who is your God??? Honestly Speaking, I can not be sure!?? Give me some spiritual evidence please??

Is it Jay T. who is one of these below, or you?? And again: "Ask us"? Seems that there is already a conspiracy with these 'us' ones huh?
And surely being out in the open is not Christ's way for the evil one seen in Genesis 49:17. Can't you just hear the computor keys in the background?? :wink:

"He that saith, I know (LOVE?) Him, and keepeth not His Commandments, is a liar, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM."!! But whoso keepeth his Word, IN him verily is the love OF GOD PERFECTED: hereby KNOW WE THAT WE ARE IN HIM."! 1 John 2:4-5. And "IN" CHRIST?? See Romans 8:1!

---John[/quote:e0a54]

Hey John glad you respond so quickly..

One point at a time..

And it just get's deeper..

You claim you set aside and keep...

You still have permission (in Romans 14) to keep the Sabbath holy if you want, but you can no longer claim it as a commandment of God.

Who is my God? My God is the God of the New Covenant..Jesus Christ, Jesus is LORD..even of the Sabbath, that was just a mere shadow pointing to Him.

in 1 John as in Revelation or wherever else John wrote, the ord commandments ALWAYS refers to the commandments of Jesus, as in, "A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another." John 13:31. It NEVER refers to the "ten commandments" of Exodus 20.

And incidentally if you are referring John speaking of the commandments of the Old Testiment, There are not ten commandments in the Old Testament. There happen to be 613.

So what are exactly the God's Commandments that John talk's about..

Answer: They are the commandments of Jesus Christ my God. And nowhere among them will be found, for instance, the Fourth Commandment of Exodus 20. It was only a long shadow on the desert floor of legalism pointing to Christ hanging on the cross. When following this shadow we found Christ we saw that this commandment, along with all the rest of the 613, had been nailed to Christ's cross.

And in place of the 613 is Jesus Christ Himself alone, the fulfillment of the law: His birth, life, teachings (including all the commandments you will ever need in this life), death, resurrection and ascension.

You need to accept this, John, for it is the gospel in full.

A sinner saved by Grace

 

[SputnikBoy]

servant: So what are exactly the God's Commandments that John talk's about..

Answer: They are the commandments of Jesus Christ my God. And nowhere among them will be found, for instance, the Fourth Commandment of Exodus 20. It was only a long shadow on the desert floor of legalism pointing to Christ hanging on the cross. When following this shadow we found Christ we saw that this commandment, along with all the rest of the 613, had been nailed to Christ's cross.

Sputnik: Where do you get this stuff? Are you really not aware that God blessed and sanctified at Creation the specific day that became the Sabbath? Are you not aware that the Sabbath command was one of the ten that were carved into stone by the finger of God? Are you not aware that the Sabbath - despite the claim that it was nailed to the cross - was still kept SCORES of years after this event by the very people who should have known that it had been nailed to the cross? How was the 7th-day Creation Sabbath 'a shadow' pointing to Christ? Didn't Creation occur before the fall of man and the need for a Savior?

I'm sorry, servant, you're just NOT making your point with me at all. What exactly - plain English please - ARE those commands of Jesus that we're asked to keep? HOW - in plain English please - are those commandments made manifest in our daily life? And, to your way of thinking, wouldn't the keeping of ANY commandment amount to legalism anyway? You come across as being the all-knowing guru of the New Testament but your vagueness is frustrating to some of us plebs.

 

[Servant_2000]

servant: So what are exactly the God's Commandments that John talk's about..

Answer: They are the commandments of Jesus Christ my God. And nowhere among them will be found, for instance, the Fourth Commandment of Exodus 20. It was only a long shadow on the desert floor of legalism pointing to Christ hanging on the cross. When following this shadow we found Christ we saw that this commandment, along with all the rest of the 613, had been nailed to Christ's cross.

Sputnik: Where do you get this stuff? Are you really not aware that God blessed and sanctified at Creation the specific day that became the Sabbath? Are you not aware that the Sabbath command was one of the ten that were carved into stone by the finger of God? Are you not aware that the Sabbath - despite the claim that it was nailed to the cross - was still kept SCORES of years after this event by the very people who should have known that it had been nailed to the cross? How was the 7th-day Creation Sabbath 'a shadow' pointing to Christ? Didn't Creation occur before the fall of man and the need for a Savior?

I'm sorry, servant, you're just NOT making your point with me at all. What exactly - plain English please - ARE those commands of Jesus that we're asked to keep? HOW - in plain English please - are those commandments made manifest in our daily life? And, to your way of thinking, wouldn't the keeping of ANY commandment amount to legalism anyway? You come across as being the all-knowing guru of the New Testament but your vagueness is frustrating to some of us plebs.

Answer to you...

#1 God Blessed and sanctified...

Sputnik, are you not aware first God rested, then AFTER HE RESTED then He sanctified it

The Bible no where says WHEN He sanctified it, just that it was after God rested.

So even if God did sanctify the Sabbath day in Eden, God still did not revealed the Sabbath in Eden because there is absolutely no evidence that anyone kept the Sabbath prior to Exodus 16.

Are you not aware that God gave the 10 commandments along with the Sabbath to Israel in the wilderness? so why do you argue that the ten commandment law is no longer written on stone, but in the flesh of the human heart? Yet you don't believe in the New Testiment such as 2 Corinthians 3:3 which says the 10 commandments were abolished and the new Covenant, the law of Christ is written on human hearts.


Are you not aware that...

Christians always worshipped on the first day (Sunday)
They state that they stopped keeping the Sabbath to worship on Sunday started with the apostles.

Are you not aware that...

None of say they kept the seventh day Sabbath. The only mention of Sabbath keeping was by Eusebius in 300 AD by a cult-sect known as the Ebionites, who Eusebius says also worshipped on the first day. (Ebionites were a cult of Judaizers who enforced circumcision, rejected Apostle Paul’s teachings, denied Jesus' virgin birth and his deity.)

Are you not aware that...

They partook of the Lord’s Supper (communion) every first day.
They called the first day (Sunday) the Lord’s day.
They called the day Jesus rose from the dead, the Lord’s Day.
They said the reason they worshipped on the first day, was because it was a weekly memorial of the day Jesus rose from the dead!
They outright state that no one prior to Moses (Adam, Noah, Abraham etc) ever kept the Sabbath because it was Moses who first gave the Sabbath law and the ten commandments to man!

Are you not aware that you yourself, in your present belief system,

You practice what is forbidden and abolished, and forbid what is allowed.

You ask me, what are the commandments of Christ we are to keep? They are His teachings, while He was hear on Earth, primarily found in the Gospels but throughout the New Testiment, you find them....and one commandment He never taught us Christians to keep, is the Sabbath, the reason is He destroyed that temporary rest...and now gives us full spiritual rest, not one day, but 7 days....don't you want it? Don't you want to come to Jesus?

 

[John the Baptist]

servant: So what are exactly the God's Commandments that John talk's about..

Answer: They are the commandments of Jesus Christ my God. And nowhere among them will be found, for instance, the Fourth Commandment of Exodus 20. It was only a long shadow on the desert floor of legalism pointing to Christ hanging on the cross. When following this shadow we found Christ we saw that this commandment, along with all the rest of the 613, had been nailed to Christ's cross.

Sputnik: Where do you get this stuff? Are you really not aware that God blessed and sanctified at Creation the specific day that became the Sabbath? Are you not aware that the Sabbath command was one of the ten that were carved into stone by the finger of God? Are you not aware that the Sabbath - despite the claim that it was nailed to the cross - was still kept SCORES of years after this event by the very people who should have known that it had been nailed to the cross? How was the 7th-day Creation Sabbath 'a shadow' pointing to Christ? Didn't Creation occur before the fall of man and the need for a Savior?

I'm sorry, servant, you're just NOT making your point with me at all. What exactly - plain English please - ARE those commands of Jesus that we're asked to keep? HOW - in plain English please - are those commandments made manifest in our daily life? And, to your way of thinking, wouldn't the keeping of ANY commandment amount to legalism anyway? You come across as being the all-knowing guru of the New Testament but your vagueness is frustrating to some of us plebs.

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John here:
In Jude 11-13 we see this stuff coming out of the woodwork, called "WINDS", trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots. Have you ever seen the flurry of stupid stuff in this day and age of trying to negate the Lord Day??
It would take a rocket scientist to keep up with the ways God supposedly changes!!

And the Lord asks what is new? Christ tells whose Commandments are to be kept in Revelation 12:17 Both: "The Commandments of God and the Testimony of Jesus Christ".

But the bottom line is, who is it that one loves?? Do you not know why the Lords Commandments are BONDAGE to the carnal heart?

 

[Servant_2000]

servant: So what are exactly the God's Commandments that John talk's about..

Answer: They are the commandments of Jesus Christ my God. And nowhere among them will be found, for instance, the Fourth Commandment of Exodus 20. It was only a long shadow on the desert floor of legalism pointing to Christ hanging on the cross. When following this shadow we found Christ we saw that this commandment, along with all the rest of the 613, had been nailed to Christ's cross.

Sputnik: Where do you get this stuff? Are you really not aware that God blessed and sanctified at Creation the specific day that became the Sabbath? Are you not aware that the Sabbath command was one of the ten that were carved into stone by the finger of God? Are you not aware that the Sabbath - despite the claim that it was nailed to the cross - was still kept SCORES of years after this event by the very people who should have known that it had been nailed to the cross? How was the 7th-day Creation Sabbath 'a shadow' pointing to Christ? Didn't Creation occur before the fall of man and the need for a Savior?

I'm sorry, servant, you're just NOT making your point with me at all. What exactly - plain English please - ARE those commands of Jesus that we're asked to keep? HOW - in plain English please - are those commandments made manifest in our daily life? And, to your way of thinking, wouldn't the keeping of ANY commandment amount to legalism anyway? You come across as being the all-knowing guru of the New Testament but your vagueness is frustrating to some of us plebs.

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John here:
In Jude 11-13 we see this stuff coming out of the woodwork, called "WINDS", trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots. Have you ever seen the flurry of stupid stuff in this day and age of trying to negate the Lord Day??
It would take a rocket scientist to keep up with the ways God supposedly changes!!

And the Lord asks what is new? Christ tells whose Commandments are to be kept in Revelation 12:17 Both: "The Commandments of God and the Testimony of Jesus Christ".

But the bottom line is, who is it that one loves?? Do you not know why the Lords Commandments are BONDAGE to the carnal heart?

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Back at ya John,

The commandments of God†are the commands of our God Jesus spoken with His (God’s) own mouth on the Mount of Blessings, not the 613 commandments contained the Law of Moses, whose only function was to drive us to see our need for the “God with us†= Emanuel = Jesus Christ the Only Righteous Person who ever lived!

PHRASE: “the commandments of God.†These are the commandments of Jesus as quoted throughout the New Testament. These are NOT the Ten Commandments. The context makes this inescapably clear, and there is no “text†without “context.â€Â

PHRASE: “they that do His commandments.†This, again according to the context, refers to those who have the Holy Spirit within them and who are following Christ’s commandments. But nowhere in the New Testament does Christ include the Fourth Commandment of the Decalogue. And so Christ did not command us to keep the Sabbath.

It is obvious that I am in full agreement with the scripture that you insist on using. But I think you've missed the point.

The Law is to lead people to Christ. That is the plain message of much of the New Testament, especially Paul. No one is saying that there isn't any Law. But once you allow the law to lead you to Christ, the Law has accomplished it's purpose. By continually going back to the Law, you are actually falling from grace. Galatians 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Here ’s that famous text as you posted it: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev. 12:17.â€Â

Here's your question: Exactly who is being talked about here?

And here is Servant's answer:

ONE. The remnant of her seed is a spiritual reality, meaning all who accept Jesus Christ alone as our substitute for keeping the Law of Moses and dying thereby. It is not a physical group of people who, merely by presuming to call themselves “the remnant,†are recognized by Jesus Christ the judge to actually be the remnant. And to call one's self a member of the remnant rather than waiting upon God to say that for one, is to flirt with blamspemy. For we are not to judge ourselves. That's God's job.

Turn to 1 John 3:22-24.

This is Johns terminology he uses in Rev. 12:17,
And here is the Commands of Rev 12:17, John 14:15,

"that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another" 1 John 3:24

Are you really doing His Commandments? Do you believe on the name of His Son, Jesus Christ? Do you love me?

May I encourage you to also read John 15:10,12,17!

John using the terminology "commandments of God" as seen in Rev 12:17 and 14:10, these passages do not refer to the Ten Commandments. If John was referring to the Ten Commandments he would have used the word "law" or (NOMOS).

The Law of Moses is the IMPERFECT and TEMPORARY statement of the Law of God written with the finger of Christ on the summit of the Mount of Sinai.

The Law of Jesus is the PERFECT and FINAL statement of the Law of God spoken with the mouth of Christ on the summit of the Mount of Blessings.

This is not only true, it is also beautiful symmetry.

And that's why I'm under grace alone, not law,

Servant

 

[SputnikBoy]

servant: So what are exactly the God's Commandments that John talk's about..

Answer: They are the commandments of Jesus Christ my God. And nowhere among them will be found, for instance, the Fourth Commandment of Exodus 20. It was only a long shadow on the desert floor of legalism pointing to Christ hanging on the cross. When following this shadow we found Christ we saw that this commandment, along with all the rest of the 613, had been nailed to Christ's cross.

Sputnik: Where do you get this stuff? Are you really not aware that God blessed and sanctified at Creation the specific day that became the Sabbath? Are you not aware that the Sabbath command was one of the ten that were carved into stone by the finger of God? Are you not aware that the Sabbath - despite the claim that it was nailed to the cross - was still kept SCORES of years after this event by the very people who should have known that it had been nailed to the cross? How was the 7th-day Creation Sabbath 'a shadow' pointing to Christ? Didn't Creation occur before the fall of man and the need for a Savior?

I'm sorry, servant, you're just NOT making your point with me at all. What exactly - plain English please - ARE those commands of Jesus that we're asked to keep? HOW - in plain English please - are those commandments made manifest in our daily life? And, to your way of thinking, wouldn't the keeping of ANY commandment amount to legalism anyway? You come across as being the all-knowing guru of the New Testament but your vagueness is frustrating to some of us plebs.

servant: Answer to you...

#1 God Blessed and sanctified...

Sputnik, are you not aware first God rested, then AFTER HE RESTED then He sanctified it

The Bible no where says WHEN He sanctified it, just that it was after God rested.

So even if God did sanctify the Sabbath day in Eden, God still did not revealed the Sabbath in Eden because there is absolutely no evidence that anyone kept the Sabbath prior to Exodus 16.

Sputnik: The same 'no evidence' applies also to other commands of God. And yet, God destroyed the world and cities because of 'sin'. What sin?

servant: Are you not aware that God gave the 10 commandments along with the Sabbath to Israel in the wilderness? so why do you argue that the ten commandment law is no longer written on stone, but in the flesh of the human heart?

Sputnik: I don't argue that fact. But, whether carved into stone or carved into the flesh of the human heart ...aren't the results the same? We don't need to consult the lawbooks (tablets of stone) before we choose not to kill, steal, etc. The 'transference' of the law from stone to the heart doesn't mean that we have to ignore the Sabbath.

servant: Yet you don't believe in the New Testiment such as 2 Corinthians 3:3 which says the 10 commandments were abolished and the new Covenant, the law of Christ is written on human hearts.

Sputnik: But I DO believe that the law of Christ is written into human hearts. It's BECAUSE that is the case that we're obedient to the commandments of God without the need to continually consult the lawbook. We do so as a matter of course.

servant: Are you not aware that...

Christians always worshipped on the first day (Sunday)
They state that they stopped keeping the Sabbath to worship on Sunday started with the apostles.

Sputnik: No, I wasn't aware of that, servant. Nowhere in my Bible does it say that the apostles stopped keeping the Sabbath to worship on Sunday. NOWHERE! There are a couple of texts that say that the apostles met on the first day (EVERY DAY, in fact) and even broke bread. I guess they needed to eat every day. But this has nothing to do with the Sabbath at all ...nothing!

servant: Are you not aware that...

None of say they kept the seventh day Sabbath. The only mention of Sabbath keeping was by Eusebius in 300 AD by a cult-sect known as the Ebionites, who Eusebius says also worshipped on the first day. (Ebionites were a cult of Judaizers who enforced circumcision, rejected Apostle Paul’s teachings, denied Jesus' virgin birth and his deity.)

Sputnik: So what? We shouldn't be driven by what 'people' chose to do. And, apparently (above), this cult-sect known as the Ebionites also worshipped on Sunday. Does the fact that they also kept Sunday make them only 'half' a cult-sect, perhaps? So what anyway ...is this piece of information somehow intended to give a 'counterfeit Sabbath (Sunday)' some credibility?

servant: Are you not aware that...

They partook of the Lord’s Supper (communion) every first day.

Sputnik: So?

servant: They called the first day (Sunday) the Lord’s day.

Sputnik: Hmmm ...why so? Did God ever refer to Sunday as the Lord's Day or is it again just PEOPLE that we're using as our example? Here's a text that almost EVERYONE seems to ignore: " ...if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD'S HOLY DAY honorable ...(Isaiah 58:13)" This text refers to the 7th-day Sabbath as 'the Lord's Day'. Any comments?

servant: They called the day Jesus rose from the dead, the Lord’s Day.

Sputnik: But 'they' were WRONG using that term, were they not? See above. I personally am not much interested in following the ways of those who are ignorant to the Word of God. And, as for the old favorite of 'Sunday-supporters' - "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10) - being used as confirmation that Sunday had now replaced the Sabbath ...that is a complete fabrication. I personally don't believe that that text is referring to either Sunday OR the Sabbath. In any event, 'Sunday' as being 'the Lord's Day' would be that text's LEAST likeliest meaning. Please read Isaiah 58:13 again to see which day is the Lord's Day.

servant: They said the reason they worshipped on the first day, was because it was a weekly memorial of the day Jesus rose from the dead!

Sputnik: Did the Bible ask 'them' to do that!? Or us? If it's PEOPLE who are dictating these rituals and traditions to us, then we need to recognize that for what it is. Based on this form of logic, then I TOO can choose to keep Wednesday, for example, as 'the Sabbath' because Jesus fed the hungry multitude on that day. I have no idea on which day that occurred, by the way. What you are doing here, servant, is using a rather typical ploy. You're using men's tradition to justify your argument and you can't reasonably do that.

By the way, although we were not asked to do this either, we DO honor Christ's death and resurrection every Easter. Sunday is not, never was, and never will be a 'substitite Sabbath' whether Jesus rose on that day or not!

servant: They outright state that no one prior to Moses (Adam, Noah, Abraham etc) ever kept the Sabbath because it was Moses who first gave the Sabbath law and the ten commandments to man!

Sputnik: The 'they' you keep referring to are those who have substituted Sunday for the Sabbath. In order to justify this, 'they' are obviously going to use whatever methods they can to do so. Grasping at straws is understandable, I guess, when the very Book you profess to uphold doesn't offer you any support.

I have no issue, by the way, with worshipping God in church on ANY day. My issue is with those who have turned their back on the Sabbath because they say that it was nailed to the cross, that it was 'abolished'. I take exception to those who refer to 'Sabbath-keepers' as being legalistic or that they are members of a cult.

And THEN comes the REALLY silly and hypocritical part. These very same people remain obedient to a day of the week ANYWAY (???) and they become SO militant whenever that day is questioned. Their loyalty to Sunday (many of whom consider that day to be God's Sabbath) seems to know no bounds. If one is obedient to the 7th-day Sabbath, then one is considered to be part of a cult. If one is obedient to Sunday (and MOST of mainstream Christianity IS obedient to Sunday) then one is considered to be a 'healthy' Bible-believing Christian. The mind boggles!

servant: Are you not aware that you yourself, in your present belief system practice what is forbidden and abolished, and forbid what is allowed.

Sputnik: FORBIDDEN as well as abolished? You might have to clarify yourself on that one, servant. And, I DON'T forbid the worshipping of God on ANY day. That REALLY is not the issue here.

servant: You ask me, what are the commandments of Christ we are to keep? They are His teachings, while He was hear on Earth, primarily found in the Gospels but throughout the New Testiment, you find them....

Sputnik: And, one of Jesus' customs was to be obedient to the 7th-day Sabbath. The greatest commandment Jesus gave to mankind was to love God with all our hearts. Wouldn't obedience to the Sabbath (made for man by God) be one way of fulfilling that command?

servant: and one commandment He never taught us Christians to keep, is the Sabbath, the reason is He destroyed that temporary rest...and now gives us full spiritual rest, not one day, but 7 days....don't you want it? Don't you want to come to Jesus?

Sputnik: Sorry, servant, I just don't buy into your reasoning here. I see NOTHING in the Bible where Jesus even HINTED that He was about to destroy the Sabbath. And, the last part of your post is patronizing.

 

[Servant_2000]

Sputnik: Sorry, servant, I just don't buy into your reasoning here. I see NOTHING in the Bible where Jesus even HINTED that He was about to destroy the Sabbath. And, the last part of your post is patronizing.

2 Corinthians 3:14-18 explains why you don't buy into it.

Rather, their thoughts were rendered dull, for to this present day the same veil remains unlifted when they read the old covenant, because through Christ it is taken away.

To this day, in fact, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts,

but whenever a person turns to the Lord the veil is removed.

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

All of us, gazing with unveiled face on the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, as from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Simular to Paul's writing I guess he was patronizing too...offering you to come to the Lord, so the veil maybe removed.

I guess you don't buy into the reading of Hebrews 8:13?

Heb. 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant,†He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.â€Â

Exodus 31:16-18 “Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. ‘It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.â€Â’ And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.â€Â

Exodus 34:27-28: “Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.†So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.â€Â

The 10 commandments are the Old Testament covenant.

Deuteronomy 4:13: “So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.â€Â

The tablets of stone are the covenant.

Deuteronomy 9:9: “When I went up to the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the Lord had made with you, then I remained on the mountain forty days and nights; I neither ate bread nor drank water. V.11 “And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.â€Â

1 Kings 8:9,21: vs.9 There was nothing in the ark except the two tablets of stone which Moses put there at Horeb, where the Lord made a covenant with the sons of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.†... V21 “And there I have set a place for the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord, which He made with our fathers when He brought them from the land of Egypt.â€Â

2 Chronicles 6:11: “And there I have set the ark, in which is the covenant of the Lord, which He made with the sons of Israel.â€Â

Crystal Clear isn’t it, the tablets are the old covenant. How do we know? God said so! They are not Moses covenant but the Old Covenant. So there should be no argument from a reading of the Word of God interpreting itself on this crucial matter.

Once you identify the “10 commandments “ with the Mosaic/old covenant which is “done away†with in Christ the deathblow is dealt to the teaching of the 7th Day Adventists and other Sabbatarian groups. This proves you have no scriptural justification to continue the practice of the old covenant today (by obligation). Yet you go to great lengths to deny that this is being taught in Scripture. You find all the Scriptures that describe certain parts of the law but will not bring attention to the others that define it. Your only choice is to divide the law into two sections. The ceremonial is then attributed Moses and the moral which is from God. The former, you name the Law of Moses, which was abolished; the latter part was the Law of God which is still to be observed. But the Scriptures never support this division or practice, it actually states the opposite. The terms “ law of Moses†and “law of God†are used interchangeably for both the ceremonial and moral parts of the law (2 Chron.31; Num. 31: 21). A careful study and one finds this taught in both the Old and New Testament.

Paul describes the Mosaic covenanin 2 Corinthians 3: 7. He then identifies the Ten Commandments with the covenant “done away†in Christ.â€Â

God mentions the law is temporary, who knows better you 7th day keepers or God?

 

[John the Baptist]

John here: (Lovingly Servant 2000, you are doing the work of Daniel 7:25)

We hear that we are now under Grace. Great, we are, Praise be to our Master! First comes though, that we are required to be Born Again. Now we are Under Grace, Saving Grace! We are New Creatures..Reborn, but can we still sin?? Under Grace?? If we are under Grace from here on, do we now need our Hebrews 9:11-14's High Priest?

"But Christ being come an High Priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building, Neither by the blood of goats and caves, but by His own blood he entered in once into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. ... (notice!) purge your conscience from dead works to serve a living God?"

So now we are when Born Again, and under Grace! That makes the 'conscience' at peace with the mind, huh? What is Christ now doing in verse 7? But into the second went the High Priest (earthly) alone once every year ... The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the Holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Which was a figure of the true ... Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."

Did you get all of this? These laws all prefigured Christ 'Confirmation', death on the cross and our ever living High Priest. now Grace?? No more Law?? And does it say that the law of God was voided out here? Or the above that prefigured the true? The Laws that Moses penned which stood in 'washings', 'carnal ordinances' until the Galatians 3:19 'Promise' was confirmed? "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, til the seed should come to whom the promise was made..."

Well now, Christ came, and we are under Grace. This law was added because of sin. Yet there would be no sin in heaven, (satan) or Adam on earth without the Eternal Covenant! (Hebrews 13:20) "Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4 So, it is not hard for any Born Again Christian to see that this ten Commandment Eternal Covenant is not these laws to the left of the cross of Christ, 'carnal ordinances, imposed upon them until the reformation', or the time that Christ became our High Priest. These were all the Law of Moses of Deuteronomy 31:9, Deuteronomy 31:24-25. that were placed in the side of the Ark of God, not inside of it where the Ten Commandments were kept.

The Ark of God??
Christ's death sent Him where, as our High Priest?? The Vail of the earthly Temple was rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand, making the way into the Most Holy Place where the Ark of the Eternal Covenant of God is at the Present time! Notice Hebrews 9:3 "And after the second Vail, which is called the Holiest of all, which had ... the Ark of the Covenant ... and the tables of the Covenant" (Moses laws remember were in the [side] of the Ark, not inside. Yet, take note of this verse in Revelation 11:18-19)
".. and the time of the dead, that should be judged, and should have reward, ... ***And the Temple of God was.. *IN HEAVEN and there was SEEN THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT."

Under Grace? Are you in need of Christ our High Priest? Why? Do you sin?? We see that it is not possible to sin without a law! 1 John 3:4
So if one sins & is under Grace, then there is still a Eternal Covenant Law (ten Commandments) and there is still Grace if one asks for forgiveness of your sin right?? Do we believe in our Lords Prayer?? Now, when I sin, am I still under Grace without asking for forgiveness?
If I say yes, am I telling the Truth that I am under Grace while not asking for forgiveness, or have I just knowingly broken the Commandment of lying? Still under Grace you say?? If so, why have a High Priest Savior in the first place to ask forgiveness of 'our sins'? (again, no law, no sin)

OK: Sin of ignorance & sin of open knowledge. All transgression of the Eternal Covenant law is still sin! The Covenant in heaven is what Christ's work is pertaining to, for us. When we sin, we are right back condemned under the Eternal Covenant of God. We then ask for forgiveness of our sins. And then we are again forgiven. But notice that we Born Again ones, are to now said to be 'Led' by the Holy Ghost in Romans 8:14. Now what are we being led to do? The Royal Eternal Covenant of the Godhead is perfect, converting the soul! It has no sin, it is the very 'Epistle' or Christ! 2 Corinthians 3:3 (perfect-flawless) The Holy Spirit leads us into all Truth, that is the Covenant of God. See Christ's work of Isaiah 42:21.

For any to be led otherwise?? Is to revolt! It Grieves & it Quenches the one leading us! In time He will quite His 'Striving' with us! See Acts 9:5 with Saul 'it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks' and Genesis 6:3 . There comes a time that we just will not be led, and God quits striving with us. See Revelation 3:16-17 . Well, back in the Holy place of Grace, while we are in obedience, we see in Hebrews 10:23 that it is not yet a done deal of once under Grace always under Grace. "Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering.." And Hebrews 10:26-29 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin, But a certain fearful looking for of the judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

Under Grace you still say? When one knows that they are 'openly sinning "Willfully" the verse says? To say that I am under Grace while "willfully" sinning is bringing me right into Bondage of the breaking of the Eternal Covenant Law of God! Willfully, openly! Not only doing the lawbreaking, but with even being an PARTAKER of any sin. Revelation 18:4. Any known breaking of the Covenant of God, the 7th day Sabbath 'Openly' included! James 2:8-12. And it states that this Royal Law will be our standard in Judgement to see if our profession matches our character.

In closing: Born Again? Under Grace. Perfect at this point! Romans 8:1. The Positives of Hebrews 6:1-5! Then comes 'willful' dis/obedience, openly. What are we then [knowingly] doing?? All of us that are Born Again know for sure what we are doing when the Holy Spirit leads us and we go against His Leading! Remember forum, that these ones have the Covenant written in their 'minds'! See Hebrews 10:16.
Well, under Grace can change very quickly to being under Bondage, when 'willfully done'. Then notice what the ex/under Grace one knowingly has done? Hebrews 6:6 says: "... seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an [open] shame."

Lord, I love you, but I do not love your Eternal Covenant Epistle! Under Grace still? Hardly! See Obadiah 16 for some of the ones seen above.

 

[SputnikBoy]

We really do seem to be going around in circles, servant, or - perhaps - debating this issue has become like a game of chess ...my move ...your move ...

So, let me throw a couple of questions your way that I don't think have been asked previously on this thread. Okay, for starters ...while we might conclude that the majority of people who attend their church on Sunday do so merely from habit, would you agree that MANY of them believe that Sunday actually IS the biblical Sabbath?

My Collins English Dictionary says: Sabbath - 1. the seventh day of the week, Saturday, devoted to worship and rest from work in Judaism and in certain Christian Churches. 2. Sunday, observed by Christians as the day of worship and rest from work in commemoration of Christ's Ressurrection.

Over the years any number of people that I've spoken with on this issue have indeed believed that Sunday is the Sabbath. Some even believe that Sunday is the seventh-day! They often take some convincing that it isn't and some just don't catch on at all. As far as they are concerned, Sunday is the seventh-day and Sunday is therefore the Sabbath and that's that! Further, they also (sincerely?) believe that they are keeping the 4th-commandment.

Possibly many thousands (millions?) of Christians throughout the world set aside Sunday each week because they believe that they are observing the Sabbath. Therefore, according to your reasoning, servant, they are being no less 'legalistic' than Adventists. They are, falsely but in effect, keeping the 4th-commandment.

So, while Adventists are continually targetted on forums such as this for their obedience to a certain day, mainstream Christians customarily do the very same thing. The only difference is that they don't observe the day God asked them to. The conclusion I've come to after debating this issue with people such as yourself, servant, is that it's okay to observe ANY day of the week as 'the Sabbath' ...just as long as it isn't the seventh!

How would you respond to this, servant ...anyone?

 

[John the Baptist]

" ... 'Possibly many thousands (millions?) of Christians throughout the world set aside Sunday each week because they believe that they are observing the Sabbath. Therefore, according to your reasoning, servant, they are being no less 'legalistic' than Adventists. They are, falsely but in effect, keeping the 4th-commandment.

So, while Adventists are continually targetted on forums such as this for their obedience to a certain day, mainstream Christians customarily do the very same thing. The only difference is that they don't observe the day God asked them to. The conclusion I've come to after debating this issue with people such as yourself, servant, is that it's okay to observe ANY day of the week as 'the Sabbath' ...just as long as it isn't the seventh!

How would you respond to this, servant ...anyone?'

*******
First: How much time does one think that God will give after the decision is made to reject all of the 'free study' that He has given us? See Hosea 4:6 for the 'increased last day knowledge'. Settled in the message that they DECIDE on, one way or the other? Leviticus 16:14's day of Atonement or the 27-34 AD Seven years. (Closed door of Matthew 25:10)

Second: When 666 has arrived as a last test for the 'ignorant' world, who are these in 1 Peter 4:17 that are judged first. (no question for me)

Third: Are you saying that Revelation 17:5 are Christian denominations??? That is not being honest! No, this is not saying that there are not some sincere yet 'ignorant' Christians yoked inside of them! Yet, it is saying that their time is running out as the knowledge increases for them to do so. Revelation 18:4 or Luke 12:47-48 & Genesis 6:3.

Just to let the folks know that there really is a 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Shaking going on in 7th Day Adventistism. These being shaken out can keep on hiding their ex/prophet in the cellar, & then read about it from Early Writings pgs. 270-271. (or Eze. 9)

Still not clear? ALL of Gods children who are in IGNORANCE, yet in sincerity, are given the 666 World Testing. These ones are not you and me, or the Revelation 17:1-5 ones! We best get this straight!

---John

 

[SputnikBoy]

JbT: Just to let the folks know that there really is a 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Shaking going on in 7th Day Adventistism. These being shaken out can keep on hiding their ex/prophet in the cellar, & then read about it from Early Writings pgs. 270-271. (or Eze. 9)

Sputnik: You're way above my head, John. Are we friend or foe?

And, quickly ...I'm not hiding any false prophet in the cellar, John. Ellen White has never been a part of my life, nor has she ever played any part in regard to my particular beliefs. Until I started participating in these Christian forums I had no idea that there were so many misconceptions about my particular church. I personally have rarely, if ever, experienced anything like this 'EGW stuff' you all seem to be so hung up on. At the risk of being called a liar, I'm my own man and no one else does my thinking for me. Just wanted y'all to know that. :smt079

 

[John the Baptist]

JbT: Just to let the folks know that there really is a 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Shaking going on in 7th Day Adventistism. These being shaken out can keep on hiding their ex/prophet in the cellar, & then read about it from Early Writings pgs. 270-271. (or Eze. 9)

Sputnik: You're way above my head, John. Are we friend or foe?

And, quickly ...I'm not hiding any false prophet in the cellar, John. Ellen White has never been a part of my life, nor has she ever played any part in regard to my particular beliefs. Until I started participating in these Christian forums I had no idea that there were so many misconceptions about my particular church. I personally have rarely, if ever, experienced anything like this 'EGW stuff' you all seem to be so hung up on. At the risk of being called a liar, I'm my own man and no one else does my thinking for me. Just wanted y'all to know that. :smt079

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OK: Sounds CLEARLY stated at least. So what is 'my particular church.' as you print?

And you say, that you are your own man. I disagree :fadein:, but I understand what you mean. (free moral agent) But there is no one that is doing their own thing, other than just the two choices of leadership, as I see it. Ephesians 6:12.

Now: About friend or foe, you ask?? False prophet? As you seem to be saying about E.G.W., you must have read all her writings to know this. Well, I will try to remember your SputnikBoy name and check your postings to see where you are coming from??? I have no idea if you are friend or foe. I do not even know if you understand what being Born Again means or takes place??

But, I do like upfront folk! :wink:

---John

 

[Jay T]

Jay T...

You sound too good to be true. If you're for real, then there are many many answers which will be coming your way if you dare to continue on this website.

Remember, God is not mocked. And this website is no joke. Now, are you for real?

That's right.....God will not be mocked by allowing satan to control the modern Christian world thru his false deceptions, such as Sunday worship services (which God NEVER authorized), the false doctrine of the Immortal soul of man, the Rapture theory (which Christ warned against many times), ect...ect.

God has warnings in the Bible which the Christian world ignores......

 

[John the Baptist]

Nothing New under the sun! Check this out.

John here: This is quite a piece of New Theology that you have here. (some one's at least! See Genesis 4:7)

You say:
Who is my God? My God is the God of the New Covenant..Jesus Christ, Jesus is LORD..even of the Sabbath, that was just a mere shadow pointing to Him.

in 1 John as in Revelation or wherever else John wrote, the ord commandments ALWAYS refers to the commandments of Jesus, as in, "A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another." John 13:31. It NEVER refers to the "ten commandments" of Exodus 20.

And incidentally if you are referring John speaking of the commandments of the Old Testiment, There are not ten commandments in the Old Testament. There happen to be 613.

So what are exactly the God's Commandments that John talk's about..

Answer: They are the commandments of Jesus Christ my God. And nowhere among them will be found, for instance, the Fourth Commandment of Exodus 20. It was only a long shadow on the desert floor of legalism pointing to Christ hanging on the cross. When following this shadow we found Christ we saw that this commandment, along with all the rest of the 613, had been nailed to Christ's cross.

And in place of the 613 is Jesus Christ Himself alone, the fulfillment of the law: His birth, life, teachings (including all the commandments you will ever need in this life), death, resurrection and ascension.

You need to accept this, John, for it is the gospel in full.

A sinner saved by Grace


Me again: A Saved by Grace person when sinning is once again [IN] bondage. What on earth do you think that Christ is ones High Priest is for?????????
And the Commandments of Christ are what??

Christ stated in Mark 14:36 the last part of the verse that He came to do the Father's will! SOMETHING NEW??? New COMMANDMENTS??? (come on, get REAL! Ecclesiastes 3:15!!)

Christ said: "FOR I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, NOT TO DO MY OWN WILL, BUT THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME." And now we see you telling us that GOD changeth! And Christ gave a NEW Commandment?? Read Revelation 22:18-20's WARNING! (compare Ecclesiastes 3:14 READ IT!!)

And the Word of God (the Christ of the Whole Bible) tell's us that CHRIST WOULD MAGNIFY THE ETERNAL COVENANT AND MAKE IT HONORABLE" Isaiah 42:21
Destroy it? Change it? FINISH IT??? Change the CHARACTER OF THE GODHEAD??? THEIR "EPISTLE"?? You best see who attempts this evil work in Daniel 7:25.

And here you come along with this stuff! : Does one know what magnify mean's? Lust is adultery, hate is murder, and both come from the Eternal Covenant that you are hatcheting up! Hebrews 13:20.

And the angel that came down to John in Revelation 22:8-10 told John that it was alright now to fall down and worship him because of Christ's NEW COMMANDMENT??? Wake UP!! (Matt. 25) The angel told John NOT TO DO IT! ".. for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, AND OF THEM WHICH KEEP THE SAYINGS OF THIS BOOK; WORSHIP GOD."

By the way young'in, the above comes right out of the ten commandment Eternal covenant! Exodus 20:1-5 And you say 613 of them. That is even worse than 2 Corinthians 4:2 & comes from the HOG/SLOP of 2 Peter 2:21-22!

And here you come with this verse from 1 John 2:8 telling the universe that the Royal law of Christ has done away with! John said .. "brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning." 1 John 1:7 Read the verses! (3-11) And one thinks of DARKNESS!?

And again John tells us in 2 John 6 what LOVE IS! "And this is LOVE, that we walk after His Commandments, THIS IS THE COMMANDMENT THAT YE HAD FROM THE BEGINNING, ye should walk in it."

And again, whose COMMANDMENTS did Christ 'MAGNIFY'! Revelation 12:17 states who only will be saved. "... which keep the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST."

Do you know what the Testimony of Christ was? LIVING, AND KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND MAGNIFYING THEM AND *MAKING THEM HONORABLE! Again Isaiah 42:21
One can only wonder whose side that you are on, huh?

J/t/B/

 

[Servant_2000]

‘On the Sabbath day, make an offering of two lambs a year old without defect, together with its drink offering and a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil. This is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering. Numbers 28:10

I have yet to see any Sabbatarian make "an offering of two lambs" on the Sabbath.. If you are going to keep the Sabbath, then are you not required to keep ALL God's holy laws. You Sabbatarians want to enforce the Sabbath law but pick and choose how to keep the Sabbath.

Once again...

Exodus 16:29 Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out.

I have seen Adventist travel long distances to go to state parks, camp meetings, visiting relation and friends on Sabbath. And not to exclude the 100 mile round trip to Niles or Berien Springs every sabbath to church, for over 19 years.

 

[guibox]

‘On the Sabbath day, make an offering of two lambs a year old without defect, together with its drink offering and a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil. This is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering. Numbers 28:10

I have yet to see any Sabbatarian make "an offering of two lambs" on the Sabbath.. If you are going to keep the Sabbath, then are you not required to keep ALL God's holy laws. You Sabbatarians want to enforce the Sabbath law but pick and choose how to keep the Sabbath.

Once again...

Exodus 16:29 Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out.

I have seen Adventist travel long distances to go to state parks, camp meetings, visiting relation and friends on Sabbath. And not to exclude the 100 mile round trip to Niles or Berien Springs every sabbath to church, for over 19 years.

Show me a modern day, North American Jew that does the same thing on the Sabbath, servant....Why is that? Perhaps you should ask a Jewish friend why strict Sabbath observance isn't even practiced by Jews...perhaps custom of the day plays a part?

Also, keep in mind that Christ came to do away with many ritualistic, legalistic observances of the Sabbath. That is why he was accused of Sabbath breaking...the Jews had forgotten who the Sabbath was about and tried to control it with their rules and regulations. christ came to show that the Sabbath was about joy, a delight and helping people both physically and spiritually, not about how far you could travel on the Sabbath and whether you could carry your snot rag a certain distance.

That is legalism...If that is how you feel the Sabbath should be observed you are just like the Pharisees. No wonder you want to do away with it so badly...

 

[SputnikBoy]

Hi servant

I asked a question on the other page a couple of weeks ago. I really would appreciate a response from you if you wouldn't mind. I've taken the liberty of copying the post in question and presenting it again. The question is open to anyone, by the way.

We really do seem to be going around in circles, servant, or - perhaps - debating this issue has become like a game of chess ...my move ...your move ...

So, let me throw a couple of questions your way that I don't think have been asked previously on this thread. Okay, for starters ...while we might conclude that the majority of people who attend their church on Sunday do so merely from habit, would you agree that MANY of them believe that Sunday actually IS the biblical Sabbath?

My Collins English Dictionary says: Sabbath - 1. the seventh day of the week, Saturday, devoted to worship and rest from work in Judaism and in certain Christian Churches. 2. Sunday, observed by Christians as the day of worship and rest from work in commemoration of Christ's Ressurrection.

Over the years any number of people that I've spoken with on this issue have indeed believed that Sunday is the Sabbath. Some even believe that Sunday is the seventh-day! They often take some convincing that it isn't and some just don't catch on at all. As far as they are concerned, Sunday is the seventh-day and Sunday is therefore the Sabbath and that's that! Further, they also (sincerely?) believe that they are keeping the 4th-commandment.

Possibly many thousands (millions?) of Christians throughout the world set aside Sunday each week because they believe that they are observing the Sabbath. Therefore, according to your reasoning, servant, they are being no less 'legalistic' than Adventists. They are, falsely but in effect, keeping the 4th-commandment.

So, while Adventists are continually targetted on forums such as this for their obedience to a certain day, mainstream Christians customarily do the very same thing. The only difference is that they don't observe the day God asked them to. The conclusion I've come to after debating this issue with people such as yourself, servant, is that it's okay to observe ANY day of the week as 'the Sabbath' ...just as long as it isn't the seventh!

How would you respond to this, servant ...anyone?

 

[Jay T]

‘On the Sabbath day, make an offering of two lambs a year old without defect, together with its drink offering and a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil. This is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering. Numbers 28:10]/quote] Until you study the 'whole' Bible, you'll never come to find the truth....as you are again trying to blend the sabbaths contained in the Law of Moses, with the 7th day sabbath, that Christ personally wrote out, on Mt Sinai.

I have yet to see any Sabbatarian make "an offering of two lambs" on the Sabbath.. If you are going to keep the Sabbath, then are you not required to keep ALL God's holy laws. You Sabbatarians want to enforce the Sabbath law but pick and choose how to keep the Sabbath.

Had you studied your Bible, you would have known that GOD....is the one made known what was to be done on the 7th day Sabbath, verses what was to be done on the sabbaths in the Law of Moses.

I would advise you stop....accusing people, because of your lack of knowledge, of what the OT says, OK ?

NO ONE is getting into heaven, while committing any known sin.....every Bible writer has said that, over and over again.

 

[Jay T]

‘On the Sabbath day, make an offering of two lambs a year old without defect, together with its drink offering and a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil. This is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering. Numbers 28:10]/quote] Until you study the 'whole' Bible, you'll never come to find the truth....as you are again trying to blend the sabbaths contained in the Law of Moses, with the 7th day sabbath, that Christ personally wrote out, on Mt Sinai.

I have yet to see any Sabbatarian make "an offering of two lambs" on the Sabbath.. If you are going to keep the Sabbath, then are you not required to keep ALL God's holy laws. You Sabbatarians want to enforce the Sabbath law but pick and choose how to keep the Sabbath.

Had you studied your Bible, you would have known that GOD....is the one made known what was to be done on the 7th day Sabbath, verses what was to be done on the sabbaths in the Law of Moses.

I would advise you stop....accusing people, because of your lack of knowledge, of what the OT says, OK ?

NO ONE is getting into heaven, while committing any known sin.....every Bible writer has said that, over and over again.