A message for all Sabbath breakers.....Owned!!

[SputnikBoy]

"But if you do not obey me to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying any load as you come through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath
day, then I will kindle an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses.'"
(Jeremiah 17:27)

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must
be put to death. Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day."
(Exodus 35:2-3)

Amen, all praise to the LORD!

Finally something we can agree on without me having to ask 20 qeustions lol. I only have one problem with most people that try to keep the Sabbath and condemn those that don't. Most of these people are really big hypocrytes in that they don't work on the Sabbath but they make other people work by going out shopping, eatiing out, or anything else that requires someone else to work. That to me is making someone fail to follow one of God's commandments wouldn't you agree. I'm not saying you are one of those people, so please don't take it that way. I'm just saying that I find most people that believe in keeping the Sabbath do prove to be hypocrytes in that respect.

Sputnik: Oh my. "Most of these people are really big hypocrites in that they don't work on the Sabbath but they make other people work by going out shopping, eating out, or anything else that requires people to work." Is this the results of a scientific study on SDA's, Rob? Don't you realize that such sweeping and nonsensical statements such as this don't carry any weight with the majority of thinking people?

I almost hate to respond but I will, briefly. Very few, if any, Adventists that I know will shop, eat out, or do anything else on the Sabbath Day that would cause or support the need for someone else to work. Having said that, individuals are individuals (whether they be Adventists or not) and it's the choice of the individual as to how they 'keep' the Sabbath. And that's as it should be.

There is no 'legalism' involved in the 'keeping of the Sabbath'. If one can make the Sabbath 'a delight' as found in Isaiah 58:13, then they are keeping the day as they perhaps should. As for your reference to 'hypocrite' ...I don't know about you but I could apply this label to myself more regularly than I care to. Still, that's me at times. In fact, I guess my church is full of those who tend to be hypocrites from time to time. Maybe that's why we're there to begin with.

 

[Jay T]

There is no 'legalism' involved in the 'keeping of the Sabbath'. If one can make the Sabbath 'a delight' as found in Isaiah 58:13, then they are keeping the day as they perhaps should.

Sabbath keeping is a matter of love for Jesus Christ.
As Jesus said:
"IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15)
One must always remember that it is satan, who hates the commandments of God, and he hates those who love Jesus enough, to keep them:
Revelation " 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make [war] with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

 

[Servant_2000]

There is no 'legalism' involved in the 'keeping of the Sabbath'. If one can make the Sabbath 'a delight' as found in Isaiah 58:13, then they are keeping the day as they perhaps should.

Sabbath keeping is a matter of love for Jesus Christ.
As Jesus said:
"IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15)
One must always remember that it is satan, who hates the commandments of God, and he hates those who love Jesus enough, to keep them:
Revelation " 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make [war] with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

You keep quoting these great verses..so I will keep posting what they mean.

You Adventist like to falsely teach that the "commandments of God" in Rev 12:17 and Revelation 14:12 are speaking about the Ten Commandments.


If you look at the Greek word for "commandments" it is the word "entolas" which means teachings, instructions or commands. This word is used always in John's writings when he is referring to the instructions of teachings of Christ. When John refers to the Ten Commandments in his writings he uses a different Greek word, "nomas".

John also defines for us what the "commandments" of God are.

Please look carefully at the following passages:

I John 5:2-3 - "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments (entolas). For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments (entolas); and His commandments (entolae) are not burdensome."

We aren't left to guess what the "commandments" are. The context of the Epistle tells us. Simply look at I John 3:22-24:

"and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments (entolas) and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His commandment (entolae), that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded (entolaen) us. The one who keeps His commandments (entolas) abides in Him,..."

It's quite clear that the "commandments" of God are two:

1). Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ

2). Love one another

 

[Jay T]

It's quite clear that the "commandments" of God are two:

1). Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ

2). Love one another

OK....

Answer to Question #1........Is believing in Jesus Christ, as the one who wrote, the 10 commandments on Mt Sinai ?

Answer to Question #2......Are we now ( as New Testament Christians) to love people now, and were not to love other people in the OT ?

 

[Servant_2000]

[quote="servant_2000":b4592]It's quite clear that the "commandments" of God are two:

1). Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ

2). Love one another

OK....

Answer to Question #1........Is believing in Jesus Christ, as the one who wrote, the 10 commandments on Mt Sinai ?[/quote:b4592]

Actually believing in Jesus Christ, the one who smashed the Sabbath law.

Newsflash! SDA Exclusive! GOD-ON-EARTH SMASHES SABBATH LAW!

Immediate attention: Seventh-day Adventists around the world!

Dateline 28-30AD, Judea. Accounts from official correspondents Matthew, Mark, Luke and John have now confirmed early rumors that God-on-Earth from Galilee has utterly smashed the 1500-year-old Jewish law proscribing work on the Sabbath.

If judicial, ecclesiastical, prophetic and royal annals are correct, it is HIS OWN STATEMENT of the law – written with HIS OWN FINGER on two tablets of stone – that he himself has now smashed to bits.

Reports are that God-on-Earth is to be arrested and indicted by temple and Sanhedrin authorities on the following counts:

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #1. Permitting his disciples to REAP grain on the Sabbath and defending their conduct to the Sabbath police. Luke 6:1-5. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Agricultural.

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #2. Permitting his disciples to THRESH grain on the Sabbath and defending their conduct to the religious police. Luke 6:1-5. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Light industrial (food processing).

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #3. Allowing Simon Peter’s mother-in-law to “WAIT ON†him on the Sabbath. Matthew 8:14. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Domestic (waiting tables and chairs).

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #4. Commanding a man allegedly invalid 38 years to LIFT his bed on the Sabbath. John 5:1-30. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Light industrial (lifting and loading).

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #5. Commanding a man allegedly invalid 38 years to CARRY his bed on the Sabbath. John 5:1-30. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Light industrial (transportation).

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #6. MIXING spittle and clay to form a poultice to place on the eyes of a man allegedly born blind on the Sabbath. John 9:1-41. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Light industrial (pharmaceutical).

Jewish government officials refuse to return inquiries as to plans for prosecution and trial. But unsubstantiated bulletins have arrived reporting are that they are holding these charges in abeyance while waiting to apprehend God-on-Earth without bail for a much more serious offense, one requiring the death penalty.

What the nature of this allegedly much more heinous crime is and any further news will be broadcast as soon as it becomes available.

 

[Scott]

Sabbath keeping is a matter of love for Jesus Christ.
As Jesus said:
"IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15)

Certainly Jesus wasn't confused, certainly He didn't forget to mention the Sabbath day when asked which ones to keep to gain eternal life. Matthew 19:18-19, 21 sets the record straight. No mention of it to gain eternal life nor any mention of it if one desires to be perfect (verse 21). No mention of the Sabbath day requirement at all. So with this in mind one must ask themselves, do I live according to the law or faith?!

In one verse Christ refutes EGW's attempt to make 666 mean Sunday worship. In one verse He silences the self-righteous.

With that being another failed doctrine amidst failed prophecies, contradictions, plagiarism, and deceit, isn't it about time you SDA's re-examine what you believe?!

 

[Heidi]

Good post, Scott. So many Christians do what the Jews do which is to try to keep rules & regulations instead of seeing Christ as the fulfillment of the law. They really need to study and I mean, study the NT, especially the book of Romans! But without the Holy Spirit to guide them, it's impossible to understand faith. That's why hewbres said that the Jews don't understand what the Sabbath means because "they didn't combine it with faith." And those who see the Sabbath the same way the Jews do also haven't combined it with faith.

 

[bibleberean]

Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Galatians 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Galatians 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Heidi]

Amen!

 

[bibleberean]

Amen!

:D

 

[SputnikBoy]

Amen!

:D

Sputnik: The lengths that people will go to to rid us of the 4th-commandment. For all of the effort that went behind presenting all of those scriptures in the above posts, I don't see ONE scripture that suggests we BREAK any one of the commandments. For instance, is there a 'thou shalt kill as long as thou lovest thy neighbor' commandment some place? No, I didn't think so.

So, since none of the Ten take too much effort to keep - they REALLY DON'T! - I'll be more than happy to be as obedient to them as I can. If I fail at times I have the blood of Jesus to cover me as per the New Covenant. The commandments remain the same, it's just the blood of rams and bulls that have disappeared. When are some of you guys going to catch on?

 

[Scott]

Sputnik: The lengths that people will go to to rid us of the 4th-commandment.

The question was asked specifically which ones. Jesus told us all which ones!!! Why do you refuse to accept His answer?!?

Matthew 19:16-21

 

[Jay T]

[quote="Jay T":42c7d][quote="servant_2000":42c7d]It's quite clear that the "commandments" of God are two:

1). Believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ

2). Love one another

OK....

Answer to Question #1........Is believing in Jesus Christ, as the one who wrote, the 10 commandments on Mt Sinai ?[/quote:42c7d]

Actually believing in Jesus Christ, the one who smashed the Sabbath law.

Newsflash! SDA Exclusive! GOD-ON-EARTH SMASHES SABBATH LAW!

Immediate attention: Seventh-day Adventists around the world!

Dateline 28-30AD, Judea. Accounts from official correspondents Matthew, Mark, Luke and John have now confirmed early rumors that God-on-Earth from Galilee has utterly smashed the 1500-year-old Jewish law proscribing work on the Sabbath.

Dateline 39 AD, Jesus had warned His followers to pray that their flight not be in winter, or on the sabbath (Matthew 24:20).

If judicial, ecclesiastical, prophetic and royal annals are correct, it is HIS OWN STATEMENT of the law – written with HIS OWN FINGER on two tablets of stone – that he himself has now smashed to bits.

Reports are that God-on-Earth is to be arrested and indicted by temple and Sanhedrin authorities on the following counts:

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #1. Permitting his disciples to REAP grain on the Sabbath and defending their conduct to the Sabbath police. Luke 6:1-5. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Agricultural.

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #2. Permitting his disciples to THRESH grain on the Sabbath and defending their conduct to the religious police. Luke 6:1-5. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Light industrial (food processing).

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #3. Allowing Simon Peter’s mother-in-law to “WAIT ON†him on the Sabbath. Matthew 8:14. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Domestic (waiting tables and chairs).

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #4. Commanding a man allegedly invalid 38 years to LIFT his bed on the Sabbath. John 5:1-30. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Light industrial (lifting and loading).

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #5. Commanding a man allegedly invalid 38 years to CARRY his bed on the Sabbath. John 5:1-30. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Light industrial (transportation).

Indictment-and-Arrest Count #6. MIXING spittle and clay to form a poultice to place on the eyes of a man allegedly born blind on the Sabbath. John 9:1-41. Type of Sabbath-day work prohibited: Light industrial (pharmaceutical).

Jewish government officials refuse to return inquiries as to plans for prosecution and trial. But unsubstantiated bulletins have arrived reporting are that they are holding these charges in abeyance while waiting to apprehend God-on-Earth without bail for a much more serious offense, one requiring the death penalty.

What the nature of this allegedly much more heinous crime is and any further news will be broadcast as soon as it becomes available.[/quote:42c7d]
Religious leaders in opposition, to the God, they claimed to worship ?!?

Breaking God's own laws, to punish God_on_earth ?

 

[SputnikBoy]

Sputnik: The lengths that people will go to to rid us of the 4th-commandment.

The question was asked specifically which ones. Jesus told us all which ones!!! Why do you refuse to accept His answer?!?

Matthew 19:16-21

Sputnik: Jesus also didn't say, "Whosoever believeth in me shall not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16)." Why? He was evidently concentrating on the theme 'love your neighbor as yourself' as I similarly stated on another thread. We can logically assume this aspect of the passage since Jesus made no reference to God at all. And yet we know that God figures predominantly 'in the scheme of things'.

 

[Jay T]

Sputnik: The lengths that people will go to to rid us of the 4th-commandment. For all of the effort that went behind presenting all of those scriptures in the above posts, I don't see ONE scripture that suggests we BREAK any one of the commandments.

One must realize that Bible prophecy 'MUST' be fulfilled.....
Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon (satan) was wroth (ANGRY !) with the woman, and went to make [WAR] with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

When are some of you guys going to catch on?

Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be".

 

[Jay T]

Sputnik: The lengths that people will go to to rid us of the 4th-commandment. For all of the effort that went behind presenting all of those scriptures in the above posts, I don't see ONE scripture that suggests we BREAK any one of the commandments.

Bible Prophecy 'MUST' be fulfilled.....
Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon (satan) was wroth (ANGRY !) with the woman, and went to make [WAR] with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".


So, since none of the Ten take too much effort to keep - they REALLY DON'T! - I'll be more than happy to be as obedient to them as I can. If I fail at times I have the blood of Jesus to cover me as per the New Covenant. The commandments remain the same,

When are some of you guys going to catch on?

Revelation 8:7 "Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be".

 

[Jay T]

Sputnik: The lengths that people will go to to rid us of the 4th-commandment. For all of the effort that went behind presenting all of those scriptures in the above posts, I don't see ONE scripture that suggests we BREAK any one of the commandments.

Bible Prophecy 'MUST' be fulfilled.....
Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon (satan) was wroth (ANGRY !) with the woman(church), and went to make [WAR] with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".



So, since none of the Ten take too much effort to keep - they REALLY DON'T! - I'll be more than happy to be as obedient to them as I can. If I fail at times I have the blood of Jesus to cover me as per the New Covenant. The commandments remain the same....

When are some of you guys going to catch on?

Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be".

 

[Servant_2000]

Jay T a short quote from Scripture

"Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses."

Among other things, this means that that Commandments of Moses are "less honorable" than the Commandments of Jesus.

The Commandments of the "less honorable" Moses include Sabbath-keeping, whereas the Commandments of the "more honorable" Jesus do not.

Query: Why do I have to keep the Fourth of the "less honorable" Ten Commandments of Moses, when the "more honorable" Nine Commandments of Christ leaves it out?

 

[Jay T]

Jay T a short quote from Scripture

"Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses."

Among other things, this means that that Commandments of Moses are "less honorable" than the Commandments of Jesus.

Yes, even though they came from the same source....GOD.
[quote:fbf9b]
The Commandments of the "less honorable" Moses include Sabbath-keeping,

Had you known your Bible, you would not have made so gross an error, as that statement !
Moses 'NEVER' wrote the 4th commandment......
Christ did, on Mt. Sinai, with Christ's very own finger, on stone tablets (Exodus 31:18).

Query: Why do I have to keep the Fourth of the "less honorable" Ten Commandments, when the "more honorable" Nine Commandments of Christ leaves it out?[/quote:fbf9b]
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[Heidi]

So what do you do on only one day of the week, Jay T., that you don't do on any other day? :o

Are we forbidden to worship God on other days of the week? The Jews can only do it on certain days and the Muslims have to face east because their gods are worldly gods. Jesus said to the Jews, "Your father is the devil, the father of lies." So they worship worldly things like temples and days of the week. They do not have the living God inside of them whom they can worship every minute of the day if they want to. The Jews on Masada all killed themselves because the Romans destroyed the temple which is the only place they coudl worship. So again, Jay T., what do you do on only one day of the week that you don't do on any other day of the week? What did jesus do on only one day of the week that he didn't do on other days? :o