A Study on Antichrist.

[4thangelofEuphrates]

Those that be wise let them hear and understand that which the Lord has said.

The Antichrist, you have heard shall come, but little children even now there are
many Antichrist, whereby you know that it is the last time. Little children know
that there is only two religions in the world, that which is of the Father of our
Lord Jesus Christ, and that which is of the Father of our adversary the Antichrist.
Let it be know also little children that all have fallen short of the glory of our
Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, therefore judge not lest you first be judged, and
what judgement you pass so shall it be passed on also on you. Little children know
there was none that was born of flesh that was all good, no not one. Little
children look inside yourself and if there be the least bit of darkness then how
deep is that darkness, and make yourselves either all good or all evil, for you
cannot serve God and mammon both. Which of you thinketh saying this
denomination is better then that denomination, for the Lord sayeth those that
exalt themselves shall be brought down, and those that humble themselves
before the lord shall be exalted. Which of you thinketh you are better then
your neighbor, let it be know that if your righteousness does not exceed that
of the scribes and pharisees you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of
heaven, for even the scribes and pharisees thought they were better then there
neighbors and because they sought to exalt themselves above all others they
have and shall be brought down to the lowest depths.

Know that there are two wars in revelations, that which was before the first
resurrection and that which is after the first resurrection. Know that our adversary
The Dragon was cast out of heaven and unto the earth, woe unto the inhabiters
of earth and of sea for the Dragon does roam the earth to and fro and has gone
into perdiction, for he knows his time is short. Know that it was said that the mark
of the beast was 666, but also let you not forget that those that worship his image,
or his name also have received the mark of the beast. Let it be know that you are
either for or against the Lord, for a house that is divided shall not stand.

Little children think not that the Lord has come to bring peace on earth, but a sword
that proceeds out of his mouth and with it the Lord shall smite the earth. Know that
the sword was sent to convict the hearts of the world so that by it you would know
the transgressions you have done against the word of God, that by it you would
repent of your wicked and viperous ways. Know that the Lord did not come to heal
those that need no healing, but those that are sick that they may be healed. Therefore
knowing that no one is all good, that to all of us was the Lord sent, for all need to be
healed, and out of Love did Jesus Christ come so that all of us would hopefully choose
to seek the Lord for healing. The Lord left those of heaven that were saved to come to
earth to find those that were lost, Like the good shepard that left the 99 sheep to find the
one that was lost.

Know this little children the Lord has said there is a time and season for everything.
Those that say those that follow the Lord should always be meek and turn the other cheek,
Let it be known what our Lord done and said unto the moneychangers in the temple, or
unto the Fig tree when it produced no fruit, or when he said unto peter, " get thee hence
behind me satan." Little children let it be know that the Lord seeks those that will give
there lives for the Lord, by standing up for and upholding the the laws and commandments
of God even if that offends others. Know that the Lord said unto the people concerning the
centurion soldier that the lord seeks people like unto him, for the Lord seeks those, whom
will obey and follow and give their life for the word of God even if that means the world will
hateth you and do it without seeking to exalt yourself by thinking you are better then
everyone else.

Know this little children that which the Lord spoke unto those that exalt themselves above
others, " Well hath Elijah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people
honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vein do they worship
me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the true commandments
of God, ye hold the traditions of men, Full well ye reject the commandments of God, that ye
may keep your own traditions."

Little children know that if you were, are, or shall be against the Lord then you were a partaker
of evil, are a partaker of evil , or shall be a partaker of evil, And if this being so then you were of the antichrist, are of the antichrist, or shall be of the antichrist, unless you repent and separate yourselves from this world. Again Which of you thinketh that you are better then your neighbor, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, Therefore he/her who is without sin shall cast the first stone.

 

[duval]

4thangel


Can't find where the Lord said anything about denominations such as in your post

 

[4thangelofEuphrates]

Which of you thinketh saying this denomination is better then that denomination,

Would have it had been better that the Lord have said and I would have wrote,

Which of you thinketh saying this group of people is better then that
group of people, or Which of you thinketh saying we are better then those
people?

But what you should know is that none that was born of flesh is all good, no not one.
This includes you and me, therefore let it be know that if our righteousness does not
exceed that of the scribes and pharisees we shall in no case enter into the kingdom of
heaven, for even the scribes and pharisees thought they were better then their
neighbors and because they sought to exalt themselves above all others they
have and shall be brought down to the lowest depths.

I ask you:
Are there not seven angels that represent seven different groups of people
in Revelations, and are they each not diverse one from the other?
Do they each not have something wrong with them for which the Lord shall
hold against them lest they repent?

Therefore the Lord sayeth those that exalt themselves shall be brought down,
and those that humble themselves before the Lord shall be exalted. Which of
you thinketh you are better then your neighbor?

 

[duval]

Hi 4th angel

I still have not found in scripture what it says about denonimations.

 

[brakelite2]

The upshot of all this is that the RCC does teach that Christ did not come in the flesh.

This is false because you have redefined 'flesh'. The RCC certainly does teach that Christ came in the flesh. It is called the doctrine of the Incarnation of Christ.

John 1:14 - And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

I have not 'redefined' flesh, but merely shown that are two definitions. One refers to the body with which we are born. We all agree, and the RCC as well, that Jesus was born with a physical body.
The point of contention is over the spiritual nature of man, whether carnal or fleshly, and whether Jesus was born with the nature of man as Adam in his fallen nature, or Adam in his unfallen nature. The RCC teaches that Jesus was born in the unfallen nature of Adam, because of their false theology over original sin. By my contention that Jesus was born with the fallen nature of Adam, I am not claiming Jesus was born a sinner, as Catholics would claim. I do not agree with the original sin theory. Man is not a sinner until he sins, although because he is born with a fallen nature it is certainly in his nature to do so. Jesus was born with the fallen nature of Adam, but because He was born of the Holy Spirit, He did not have the propensities to sin we all have.

He was saying that the antichrist would deny that Jesus was born with the fallen nature of Adam, but rather the unfallen nature.

This is false. 'Flesh' does not equate with a fallen nature. Adam and Eve existed sinless before the fall. We would have no hope for a resurrected and glorified body if flesh equated with a fallen nature.

As I showed above, 'flesh' refers to both. Your claim that we have no hope of the resurrection because we are born with a fallen nature is absolutely correct. That is precisely the reason Jesus said we must be born again.

Jesus was born with Adam's fallen nature, as shown by Paul.

Romans 8:3 - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Your interpretation is false. The key here is the phrase 'the likeness of' meaning 'resembling on the surface but different in essence'. Had God sent Jesus in sin he would have just said '...God sending His Son in sinful flesh...'. Adam would not have had to 'fall' had he been born in sin. Christ would therefore not be the 'Second Adam' if he was born in sin. Jesus' crucifixion would have been well deserved had he been born in sin, 'for the wages of sin is death...' Romans 6:23.

Your entire thesis rests on a misinterpretation of the Incarnation of Christ. Specifically, you assigned an incorrect definition to 'flesh', then claim that because the RCC does not agree with your redefinition they are the Antichrist. :naughty

If Jesus was born with the unfallen nature of Adam, then He had a great advantage over us and He could no longer be our example. It is precisely because He was born with the same nature we have yet overcame sin in every aspect, that gives us hope of doing the same in His strength.

 

[Sinthesis]

I have not 'redefined' flesh, but merely shown that are two definitions. One refers to the body with which we are born. We all agree, and the RCC as well, that Jesus was born with a physical body. The point of contention is over the spiritual nature of man, whether carnal or fleshly, and whether Jesus was born with the nature of man as Adam in his fallen nature, or Adam in his unfallen nature.

There are not two definitions of flesh; Carnal = Fleshly.
The spiritual nature of man can not, by definition, be fleshly.
The spiritual nature of man can, however, be fallen or unfallen, sinful or unsinful.

The RCC teaches that Jesus was born in the unfallen nature of Adam, because of their false theology over original sin. By my contention that Jesus was born with the fallen nature of Adam, I am not claiming Jesus was born a sinner, as Catholics would claim.

Do Catholics really claim this? That 'Jesus was born a sinner'? Or do you just feel Catholics would claim you are saying Jesus was born a sinner because of your different meaning for 'flesh'?

I do not agree with the original sin theory. Man is not a sinner until he sins, although because he is born with a fallen nature it is certainly in his nature to do so. Jesus was born with the fallen nature of Adam, but because He was born of the Holy Spirit, He did not have the propensities to sin we all have.

Absurd - If, as you said, one born with a fallen nature has it within his nature to sin, and Jesus was born with a fallen nature, then you are saying it is within God's nature to sin.

Further, man is conceived in sin...
Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
But as for Jesus...
1John 3:9 No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.
Now, why do you suppose a virgin birth was required?

If Jesus was born with the unfallen nature of Adam, then He had a great advantage over us and He could no longer be our example.

By that reasoning, since Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, He had a great advantage over us and He could no longer be our example.