abomination of desolation

[n2thelight]

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Explanation of above scripture: This is speaking of the prophecy in the Old testament book of Daniel regarding the antichrist (abomination of desolation) standing in Jerusalem in Temple of God claiming to be the True Christ. In the New testament book of 2nd Thessalonians we see a second Scriptural witness to the prophecy. We will look at those two Scriptures below, and then as we proceed on to the next verses in Matthew we will see what Jesus says for us to do when that transpires (satan as the antichrist on the throne of God claiming to God in the flesh - Jesus Christ).

OLD TESTAMENT, Book of Daniel (written in 426 B.C.):

Dan 9:26-27 (satan as the antichrist (the prince that shall come) is foretold of 426 B.C.)
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (KJV)

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (KJV)

Dan 12:8-13 (Prophet Daniel speaking with an Angel of the Lord about the antichrist)
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. (KJV)

NEW TESTAMENT, 2nd Thessalonians (written in A.D. 53):

II Th 2:1-5 (antichrist ('man of sin' & 'son of perdition') comes 1st. Foretold of here in A.D.53)
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? (KJV)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes

Explanation of above scripture: Jesus says when the false christ comes into power all those in Judea should flee because God is going to wipe it clean much as He did to Sodom and Gomorrah. We know that satan has about five months on this earth to bring enthrone himself and deceive the world, the two above references in verses 17 & 18 mean the time is too short to be idle about the flight. Jesus is basically saying: Get out quick, while you still can, when you see these things come to pass.

The "abomination" is when Satan stands in Jerusalem, and proclaims that he is God, and the world believes it. The "desolation" is an incorrect translation into the English, which should read "desolator", and Satan is the desolator that will make the claim that he is God, the true Christ. "Desolation" is a condition, in the Hebrew manuscripts it is written, "On the wings of the desolator," this is not a condition, but a entity, a person. It is through this individual, Satan that the abomination shall come from. It is the desolator [Satan] that shall cause all but the sealed of God, to become desolate, or deceived. ...

 

[for_his_glory]

God speaks to us in scripture of a 3 1/2 year tribulation period (not a seven year) as being time, times and half time which equals 1260 days = 3 ½ years or 3 ½ Times – Hebrew calendar only had 30 days for each month and this is where you get 1260 days or 3 ½ years.
[Scripture reference]
Revelation 12:14; Daniel 7:25; Daniel 12:7
1260 days – Revelation 11:3; Revelation 12:6
42 months – Revelation 11:2; Revelation 13:5

The abomination of desolation was 1260 years (a year is as a day with the Lord) of Papal Rome rule from 538AD with Emperor Justinian’s decree and under the military protection of Belisarius and the beast (Pope) until the deadly wound came in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the papal government and established a secular one. This is also confirmed in Revelation 12:6 the church of Jesus would hide in the wilderness for exactly 1260 days (years) or 3 ½ years. This was the time when Rome persecuted the Christians and killed them which were approximately 500 million saints slain for the cause of their faith in Jesus. 1798 – 538 = 1260 days/years. Napoleon had closed down the Catholic Church and the Papacy and its power was thought to be forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty. Today the Vatican has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 13:12 and he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Revelation 12:6 and the woman (bride of Christ) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Jesus said those who will endure in the faith of Christ unto the end the same shall be saved. This means the end of Papal rule in 1798 which now allowed the Gospel to be preached through out the world as we have been set free from Papal authority even though Papal Rome will try to take its seat again to rule the nations from Jerusalem, which is also an abomination of desolation to God as Satan said “I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (other ruling powers) I will sit also upon the Mount of the Congregation in the sides of the north (Jerusalem). I will ascend above the clouds, I will be like the Most High,â€. The so called seven year trib, which I have explained is only 3½ years in history that has already passed and is not a certain future event. There is much tribulation yet to come through Papal Rome as the world will face their tyranny once again and then the end shall come when God will judge the world as he separates the wheat from the tares, or the goats from the sheep and make end to all sin.

 

[Hitch]

Do you have any NT passages that actually combine ' antichrist' and 'temple' ?

 

[Vic C.]

Rats. Had I seen this thread first, I would have posted my explanation here.

 

[n2thelight]

for_his_glory

The abomination of desolation was 1260 years (a year is as a day with the Lord) of Papal Rome rule from 538AD with Emperor Justinian’s decree and under the military protection of Belisarius and the beast (Pope) until the deadly wound came in 1798 by General Berthier who made his entrance into Rome and abolished the papal government and established a secular one. This is also confirmed in Revelation 12:6 the church of Jesus would hide in the wilderness for exactly 1260 days (years) or 3 ½ years. This was the time when Rome persecuted the Christians and killed them which were approximately 500 million saints slain for the cause of their faith in Jesus. 1798 – 538 = 1260 days/years. Napoleon had closed down the Catholic Church and the Papacy and its power was thought to be forever broken. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to the Pope and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty. Today the Vatican has formal diplomatic relations with almost every country in the world.

The catholic church,although not right,is not the beast......

Revelation chapter 13 is the point where the political influence of the one-world political/religious system (NWO) gives way to the religious influence of the antichrist as he fulfils his role as false messiah. It is where the first beast (world political system) of {Rev 13:1-2} receives a deadly wound (war, or the horrific specter of near world war, in an age of nuclear/biological/chemical warfare capabilities).

But it is healed by the antichrist (peace, the NWO brought fully in), who shall rise to power, assume total and complete control of the one-world system and do battle with God's faithful (the Elect... {Rev 13:3-10}). The first Beast (one-world system) shall give honor and glory and a great seat of power to the second Beast (antichrist) of {Rev 13:11-18}.

Below is the transition of power from man's one-world political system (NWO) to satan's antichrist beast system, which is called in occult circles: the Aquarian age, the Luciferian age, the New age, the age of enlightenment or illumination (Remember: "The illumination of a thousand points of light"? -- 1991; President George Bush), in other words - the age of Lucifer, who's very name in the Hebrew Scriptures means "light bearer":

From the Strongs Concordance:
Lucifer: Hebrew word #1966 heylel (hay-lale'); from #1984: to shine (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star: KJV-- lucifer (the king of Babylon). {Isa 14:12}

Rev 13:11-14 (speaking of satan the antichist )
11 And I beheld another beast [religious beast - antichrist]coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb [Looks like the true lamb Jesus Christ], and he spake as a dragon [He is the dragon (satan - antichrist) {Rev 20:2}].

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast [political - the one-world political system, the NWO] before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he [antichrist] had power to do in the sight of the beast [the first, the world system and peoples]; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast [the 1st, the one-world system], which had the wound by a sword [war], and did live [peace]. (KJV)

Revelation 9:5 "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."

God has given us a good clue as to how long Satan will rule as Antichrist. That time is five months. The book of Joel describes in detail how this method of the locust works. The result of that torment is exactly as the torment of the scorpion that "striketh a man". So lets try to understand more of both the locust, and the scorpion.

This is that locust army of Satan that will deliver up the sons and daughters to prophecy against the Antichrist, as spoken of in Joel 2, and also by Peter in Acts 2. What these sons and daughters say will only be those words that the Holy Spirit speaks through them.
Joel said this locust army would march forward, and not miss a stride. Remember, it's not "locust" but men, and the battle which this army enters is a spiritual battle, where the victory is in their deception. Their battle cry is with words like love, joy, peace, brotherhood, equality, and a mixture of words promising peace and prosperity. In the Antichrist rule [the five months] everyone will be satisfied, as long as they continue to yield to this Antichrist.

The time "locust" has four stages, as stated in Joel 1. The part of the locust that exists in the swarming stage is five months. That five months staging period is always between May and September; so God is even giving us the season, or time frame when Antichrist will appear. And by that season, we have an hint of when the seventh trumpet will sound, and Jesus Christ will appear. However that instant is known only to the Father.

 

[for_his_glory]

Daniel Chapters 7 and 9 have been misinterpreted for the purpose of backing up the theory of the beast and the Antichrist. I will start with Chapter 7 to show you what the meaning of the four beast are and then break down Daniel 9:24-27 to show you that it was Daniels vision of the birth and the resurrection of Christ. Please read these chapters and verses very carefully for yourself and allow the Holy Spirit to open your Spiritual eyes.

Daniel Chapter 7 was an interpretation of a dream that Nebuchadnezzar had about four nations. Within these four nations we see how Satan tries to rule through man, but the kingdom of God prevails in judgment against these nations and the nations are turned over to the people of God for eternity. Notice also where these present day places in parentheses are located. Pagan nations also were often called beast in the Old Testament, which shows us to not take some words literally, but to define the definition of the word Spiritually.

Four nations:
Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon.

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire:
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

The seven year great tribulation, which is not found anywhere in scripture, was derived by mans misinterpretation of Daniel 9:24-27. This is what the Bible clearly reveals about the seventy weeks. From vs.24 to vs.27 was seventy weeks or 490 days beginning with Ezra, (Ref: Ezra Chapter 3-6), rebuilding the temple to the time of the Messiah (Jesus Christ) being fulfilled in his birth, death and resurrection. In a sense it was a literal and spiritual temple that was being built. Ezra was teaching the people of the Spiritual temple of God that indwelled in all that believed in God and of the coming of Messiah. There was actually a five hundred year span from Ezra till the birth of Jesus that God shut himself off from National Israel because of their transgressions towards the Lord, but saved a remnant that would believe in the coming of Messiah, (Ref: Isaiah Chapter 10), as still today, God waits for National Israel (all people of the world) to repent and believe in the name of Jesus.

Daniel 9:24-27 the Vision of the Seventy Weeks

Vs. 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

This verse shows us that the timing from Ezra to the cross was 490 days as within that time Ezra was reestablishing the law in Jerusalem until Jesus had fulfilled the end of transgression, made an end to sin, made reconciliation for iniquity and bring everlasting righteousness and to seal up the prophecy to fulfill the law through the cross.

Vs. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

From the time of the cross, which also means the last days, which includes what some like to separate and call the Great Tribulation, which is not mentioned anywhere in scripture and is not a separate event after the elect of God are caught up, but as the last days so we are in tribulation times until the end of the world as we know it; (Ref: Acts 2:17; Hebrews 1:1,2; Matthew 24:4-31; Mark 13:24-31; Luke 21:5-36). These are just some of the scriptures that support that we will go through all things of Revelation Chapters 6-21 (Please read these chapters). Everyone will have opportunity to come unto salvation through Jesus Christ if they would only repent, but when Satan is cast into the lake of fire forever after the second battle, which will be explained later in this chapter, that will come out of Jerusalem Gods judgment will be upon his people and the books will be opened at that time. No secret rapture as the saints of God are still here at this time.

Matthew 25:10 and while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Vs.26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 434 years that end in the year AD29 shall Messiah be cut off. Jesus was crucified after he was baptized in AD 29 three and a half years later. Jesus was cut off (killed) by the people of the prince, which means National Israel or other words the Pharisees, Sanhedrin and the high priest that destroy the city and the sanctuary (meaning Christ) and the end thereof shall be with a flood (Gods wrath) that will put an end to abominations by desolation or in other words a ruin to evil deeds. Daniel 9:27 explains the definitions of desolation of abominations or the ruin of evil deeds. There is no actual Desolations of Abominations where the so-called Antichrist will take a literal throne, but the desolation will be when the final Pope tries to take his throne in Jerusalem, (Ref: Daniel 11:36-45). Gods’ word never defines one great Antichrist, but says there are many antichrists. The seven years that some call the seven year tribulation means three and a half years of Jesus teaching before he was crucified and three and a half years of Stephen teaching before he was stoned to death, which took place after Jesus was taken up to heaven.

Vs.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70th seven began with Christ baptism in AD 29 and three years later at the end of the first half of the 70th seven sacrifices and offering ceased because Christ hung on the cross as he was the final sacrifice that fulfilled the law. From the giving of the law in 458BC when Ezra went to establish the law, or to rebuild the Spiritual city right up to the cross were the first 69 sevens. The 70th seven is from the time of the cross until Jesus comes and gathers his bride as they prepare to stand in the Holy place until the overspreading of abominations he will make desolate, or make an end to all that would not repent.

A rapture as some like to call it, but the Bible calls it being caught up to meet Jesus in the air, will take place, but not the way others are teaching it to be before a great tribulation and no one will know when, not even Jesus himself will know. There is no mention in scripture of a great seven year tribulation as we will always have tribulations until Jesus comes for us. There is no literal 1000-year reign with Christ either, because we reign with Christ the first time we ask him into our heart as we become joint heirs with him. We will face much tribulation before Jesus returns as Gods word says this world will wax worse and those who endure until the end are those who will be saved, which means the end of all things this world will go through before the new heaven and new Jerusalem can be ushered down from heaven.

 

[Elijah674]

I think that you best find out what makes Christ's ex/House DESOLATE! First see Isa. 5:3 + the [HOUSE] in verse 7. How more desolate could any house be than to be Christ/less??

In Matt. 23:38 HE.. [CHRIST] DOCUMENTS.. 'BEHOLD, YOUR HOUSE IS DESOLATE'! And just who do you think was their king (master) from that point on?????
And their CLAIM??? 'WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR'! And that was NOT 70AD's Slaughter!

--Elijah

PS: And the Eccl. 1-9 + Eccl, 3:15 [REPEAT--} is Rev. 3:9 for Laodicea's Last time/frame Candelstick! (see Rev. 2:5)

 

[reba]

Mod hat off..... This below really aggravates me it is the same thing Scofield has done to Scripture. I know the red words are made red to note they are not in really in the verse. Not personal against you N2thelight, many folks do this..it just bugs me....


Rev 13:11-14 (speaking of satan the antichist )
11 And I beheld another beast [religious beast - antichrist]coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb [Looks like the true lamb Jesus Christ], and he spake as a dragon [He is the dragon (satan - antichrist) {Rev 20:2}].



Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.



Mod hat back on

 

[Hitch]

Like futurism doesnt need a crutch?

 

[Stormcrow]

The following is cross-posted from here.

During this time period, when followers of Jesus will be fleeing for their lives, Matthew 24:15 states that an “abomination of desolation†will be standing in the holy place in Jerusalem.

For the benefit of others who may be reading this, I’m going to tell you what this “abomination of desolation†means AGAIN, just so people aren’t perpetually confused by this nonsense!

Luke describes what the “abomination of desolation†is:

[FONT=&quot]{20} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. {21} "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; Luke 21:20-21 (NASB) [/FONT]

Now, here’s the same verse from Matthew:
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]{15} [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), {16} then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. {17} "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. Matthew 24:15-17 (NASB) [/FONT]

The “abomination of desolation†of which Daniel wrote can be understood in the events that surrounded Antiochus IV Epiphanes:

{29} "At the appointed time he will return and come into the South, but this last time it will not turn out the way it did before.

Antiochus IV Ephiphanes of Syria goes to war against Ptolemy of Egypt and almost completely overtakes Egypt.

{30} "For ships of Kittim [Cyprus] will come against him; therefore he will be disheartened and will return and become enraged at the holy covenant and take action; so he will come back and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant.

Here's how THIS verse was fulfilled!

In 168 BC Antiochus led a second attack on Egypt and also sent a fleet to capture Cyprus. Before reaching Alexandria, his path was blocked by a single, old Roman ambassador named Gaius Popillius Laenas, who delivered a message from the Roman Senate directing Antiochus to withdraw his armies from Egypt and Cyprus, or consider themselves in a state of war with the Roman Republic. Antiochus said he would discuss it with his council, whereupon the Roman envoy drew a line in the sand around him and said, "Before you cross this circle I want you to give me a reply for the Roman Senate" - implying that Rome would declare war if the King stepped out of the circle without committing to leave Egypt immediately. Weighing his options, Antiochus decided to withdraw. Only then did Popillius agree to shake hands with him.[5]

What happened next???

{31} "Forces from him [Antiochus' Macedonian and Syrian armies] will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation. Daniel 11:29-31 (NASB)

Josephus tells the rest of the story:

He [Antiochus] also burnt down the finest buildings; and when he had overthrown the city walls, he built a citadel in the lower part of the city, for the place was high, and overlooked the temple; on which account he fortified it with high walls and towers, and put into it a garrison of Macedonians.

However, in that citadel dwelt the impious and wicked part of the [Jewish] multitude, from whom it proved that the citizens suffered many and sore calamities.

And when the king had built an idol altar upon God's altar, he slew swine upon it, and so offered a sacrifice neither according to the law, nor the Jewish religious worship in that country. He also compelled them to forsake the worship which they paid their own God, and to adore those whom he took to be gods; and made them build temples, and raise idol altars in every city and village, and offer swine upon them every day.The Works of Flavius Josephus.

Here then is your "abomination of desolation:" the hated (abominable) armies of Antiochus IV Epiphanes laying waste to (desolating) the city of Jerusalem and land of Judea, just as Rome's legions would do almost 200 years later!

Stop listening to false teachers and UNDERSTAND what Christ was saying to His disciples!!! It's not that hard to understand once you commit to finding the truth instead of pushing a doctrine!!!

 

[Stormcrow]

The following is cross-posted from here.

My point being that Antiochus could indeed say such things about himself - so the claim of divinity in and of itself does not mean that Antiohus is not the "being" who stands in the temple.

I just want to make sure that anyone reading this post doesn't come away with the idea that Antiochus is the one prophesied in Matthew 24:15. Matthew is using the experience of the Jews under Antiochus and his armies to relate to his Jewish readers what the coming "abomination of desolation" means. When he closes that verse with the parenthetical phrase, "let the reader understand", it's clear he's addressing an audience composed of those who would know what this meant: Jews.

As I've posted elsewhere, Luke wasn't on the Mount of Olives when Christ gave the discourse, and wasn't even one of His disciples or an apostle: Luke was a Macedonian (Gentile) who was converted by Paul. So when Luke writes:

{20} "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. Luke 21:20 (NASB)
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He's telling his readers (mostly Gentiles) what Matthew's allusion to the "abomination of desolation" means. He is interpreting Matthew for us.

When taken together, the "abomination of desolation" mentioned by Matthew and defined by Luke tells us exactly in the book of Daniel where we can find the historical precedent for what Christ was telling His disciples on the Mount of Olives.

As noted in my previous post (linked above), that passage is here:

{29} "At the appointed time he will return and come into the South, but this last time it will not turn out the way it did before. {30} "For ships of Kittim will come against him; therefore he will be disheartened and will return and become enraged at the holy covenant and take action; so he will come back and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. {31} "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation. Daniel 11:29-31 (NASB)

After Titus and the Romans had destroyed the Temple, but before they had finished overtaking the rest of the city, Josephus tells us what they did:

And now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator with the greatest acclamations of joy.

The Works of Flavius Josephus.

The history of Antiochus IV Epiphanes played out by Titus and the Romans exactly as Christ prophesied.

Pagan sacrifices offered by pagan armies on the consecrated grounds of the Jewish temple. That's what the "abomination of desolation" means.

This has already been fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple in 70AD. 'Nuff said.

 

[Stormcrow]

but the desolation will be when the final Pope tries to take his throne in Jerusalem

Somehow, it always comes back to this. 2

Please read and consider the following very carefully:

{27} When the seven days were almost over, the Jews from Asia, upon seeing him [Paul] in the temple, began to stir up all the crowd and laid hands on him, {28} crying out, "Men of Israel, come to our aid! This is the man who preaches to all men everywhere against our people and the Law and this place; and besides he has even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place." {29} For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with him, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple. Acts 21:27-29 (NASB)

The Temple represented the height of Jewish religious observance for almost 1,000 years, having been destroyed twice for Israel's abominations.

It was destroyed the first time for the reasons outlined here:

{14} Furthermore, all the officials of the priests and the people were very unfaithful following all the abominations of the nations; and they defiled the house of the LORD which He had sanctified in Jerusalem.

{15}The LORD, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place; {16} but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against His people, until there was no remedy.

{17} Therefore He brought up against them the king of the Chaldeans who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion on young man or virgin, old man or infirm; He gave them all into his hand.

{18} All the articles of the house of God, great and small, and the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king and of his officers, he brought them all to Babylon.

{19} Then they burned the house of God and broke down the wall of Jerusalem, and burned all its fortified buildings with fire and destroyed all its valuable articles. {20} Those who had escaped from the sword he carried away to Babylon; and they were servants to him and to his sons until the rule of the kingdom of Persia, {21} to fulfill the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed its sabbaths. All the days of its desolation it kept sabbath until seventy years were complete. 2 Chronicles 36:14-21 (NASB)

The second time it was destroyed (70AD) happened for the VERY SAME REASONS! Look!

{29} "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, {30} and say, 'If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' {31}"So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. {32} "Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers.

{33} "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?

{34} "Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, {35} so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

{36} "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

{37} "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. {38} "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! Matthew 23:29-38 (NASB)

So what does this have to do with Paul's treatment at the hands of the Jews?

Pay close attention:

As long as the temple existed the Jews believed it was still holy and consecrated to God and sanctified by Him. BUT GOD'S GLORY NO LONGER RESTS IN THE TEMPLE! The destruction of the Temple in 70AD represents the final chapter in the Mosaic Covenant. The old covenant is abolished. The vengeance for that covenant was exacted on that generation!

His glory, therefore, rests in us through Christ so that it is NOT a building that is holy and consecrated to God or sanctified by Him anymore: WE are His temple, sanctified by the work of Christ on the cross and indwelt by His Holy Spirit: the same Holy Spirit that ONCE shone in the Holy of Holies in such glory that not even the High Priest could enter when God's presence was there!

So even if another Jewish temple is ever built, it will hold no significance to God or His church. The old covenant it represented is dead: nailed to the cross and buried in 70AD!

In other words, no new temple would ever be sanctified by God because WE are His temple sanctified by His grace!

Therefore, how can anyone - Paul, his Gentile disciples, or even a Pope - profane that which is not sanctified by God?

This is where the entire doctrine of "THE ANTICHRIST" falls apart. God will not make yet another "new covenant" with the Jews. We - both believing Jews and Gentiles - possess the New Covenant, a covenant not sealed with the blood of bulls and goats but with Christ's own blood!

To continue to believe that somehow another covenant is going to happen that causes a third temple to be built, then subsequently profaned, is not only unscriptural: it's downright heretical!

 

[Elijah674]

If anyone does not BELIEVE Christ Words of [CLEAR] Inspiration here below, what more can He say???? There will NO MORE 39 years again for this REPEATED Eze. 9 SLAUGHTER! Again, both Christ & Paul stated the this last time would be 'CUT SHORT IN RIGHTOUSNESS'!! The ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION was the REJECTION OF CHRIST!
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Re: abomination of desolation (post number 7)

I think that you best find out what makes Christ's ex/House DESOLATE! First see Isa. 5:3 + the [HOUSE] in verse 7. How more desolate could any house be than to be Christ/less??

In Matt. 23:38 HE.. [CHRIST] DOCUMENTS.. 'BEHOLD, YOUR HOUSE IS DESOLATE'! And just who do you think was their king (master) from that point on?????
And their CLAIM??? 'WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR'! And that was NOT 70AD's Slaughter!

--Elijah

PS: And the Eccl. 1-9 + Eccl, 3:15 [REPEAT--} is Rev. 3:9 for Laodicea's Last time/frame Candelstick! (see Rev. 2:5) ​

 

[LastSeven]

Stormcrow, you have a real gift for teaching. I enjoy reading your posts.

 

[Stormcrow]

Stormcrow, you have a real gift for teaching. I enjoy reading your posts.

Thank you, Last Seven. If I have a gift for teaching, it's only because I have a love for study.

Welcome aboard!

 

[LastSeven]

Stormcrow I like the comparison you made between the following two scriptures.

{20} "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. {21} "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; Luke 21:20-21 (NASB)

Now, here’s the same verse from Matthew:

{15} "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), {16} then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. {17} "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. Matthew 24:15-17 (NASB)

There is another verse in Luke that seems to be speaking of the same event.

Luke 17:30-31
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything.

This passage also talks about not going back to get anything, just like Matthew 24:17. If the Matthew passage is talking about the abomination of desolation, which we've established to be the armies surrounding (and entering) Jerusalem, then how do we reconcile that with the statement in Luke 17 that this is the day the Son of Man is revealed?

Was the Son of Man revealed through the Roman armies destruction of Jerusalem?

 

[Hitch]

Stormcrow I like the comparison you made between the following two scriptures.



There is another verse in Luke that seems to be speaking of the same event.

Luke 17:30-31
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything.

This passage also talks about not going back to get anything, just like Matthew 24:17. If the Matthew passage is talking about the abomination of desolation, which we've established to be the armies surrounding (and entering) Jerusalem, then how do we reconcile that with the statement in Luke 17 that this is the day the Son of Man is revealed?

Was the Son of Man revealed through the Roman armies destruction of Jerusalem?

Yes. The last proof of his divinity was the accuracy of his personally proclaimed judgments against Jerusalem/Israel

 

[Stormcrow]

Stormcrow I like the comparison you made between the following two scriptures.

There is another verse in Luke that seems to be speaking of the same event.

Luke 17:30-31
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything.

This passage also talks about not going back to get anything, just like Matthew 24:17. If the Matthew passage is talking about the abomination of desolation, which we've established to be the armies surrounding (and entering) Jerusalem, then how do we reconcile that with the statement in Luke 17 that this is the day the Son of Man is revealed?

Was the Son of Man revealed through the Roman armies destruction of Jerusalem?

Yes. Matthew writes this:

{30} "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30 (NASB)

This is also seen in Revelation 19 when, after the destruction of Jerusalem (Mystery Babylon) indicated in this passage:


{1} After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God; {2} BECAUSE HIS JUDGMENTS ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and HE HAS AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS BOND-SERVANTS ON HER." Revelation 19:1-2 (NASB)

John writes this:

{11} And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. {12} His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. {13} He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. {14} And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. {15} From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. {16} And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Revelation 19:11-16 (NASB)

Revelation is the Olivet Discourse seen from heaven's perspective just before He (Christ) judges Jerusalem and Judea for the last time. His judgment, seen coming in Matthew 23 and in Revelation, fully reveals that He is God, thus confirming His deity and Lordship.

Lawn mowing calls. Peace. Out.

 

[tim-from-pa]

OK. Let's make this simple. If everyone here notices, there were several abomination of desolations. First was the Babylonian captivity. Look what they did to the temple. Fast forward. The Jews (not all of Israel) are some of the Israelites that returned to the land of Israel and rebuilt the temple. Daniel the prophet predicted another abomination of desolation AFTER the Babylonian captivity. Let's take a historicist point of view. That then occurred with Antiochus Ephiphanes in the Maccabean times. Then the temple (still the second one) was renovated by Herod. Now Jesus comes along and quotes Daniel. My Preterist friends will say that occurred again in 70 AD. OK. Let's take that stance for a moment. No problem. But then John comes along after 70AD when the temple was destroyed and predicted the same thing in Revelation 13 and specifically mentions the temple. However, there has been no temple since 70AD, so this one is yet to come.

Do we see a pattern here? There is ANOTHER prophet predicting this abomination thing before each one occurs. However, since prophecy has multiple fulfillments, Daniel's prophecy can cover Antiochus, 70AD and end times. Jesus' can cover 70AD and end times, and John's just the end times. This makes too much of a symmetrical, mathematical pattern to be ignored. The bible is a coded book illuminated by the Holy Spirit and such patterns are contained in the texts.

In another thread, I challenged those who think everything ended in 70AD when Ezekiel's temple or the temple or Revelation was ever fulfilled? Of course I had no direct answer, song and dancing, and something about my logic being off. In other words, there is no answer unless there is another future temple to be built, and yet another abomination of desolation.

 

[Sinthesis]

Have you ever heard it as the abomination that causes desolation. The abomination is the cause, while desolation is the effect. The abomination is something God's people do wrong, the desolation is the resulting judgment God sends upon them, usually at the hands of some dirty heathens just to make a point.:fencing