Will there be a third temple built in the End Time by the Jews or Antichrist?

[Consecrated Life]

If only the Jews are prophesied to be deceived, you made a good case. But Jesus warned His disciples not to be deceived, that many would come in His name:

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.
5 "For many will come in My name, saying,`I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. (Matt. 24:4-5 NKJ)

A "name" is more than a label. The deceiver comes in Christ's Name, claiming to be Him, therefore the claims Christ made the Jews found objectionable can't be "retracted". Then its not Christ's name.

ANTICHRIST
antichristos (ἀντίχριστος, 500) can mean either “against Christ” or “instead of Christ,” or perhaps, combining the two, “one who, assuming the guise of Christ, opposes Christ”-Vine, W. E., Unger, M. F., White, W., Jr. (1996). In Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (Vol. 2, p. 30). T. Nelson.

Its the signs and wonders the Antichrist does "showing himself that he is God" that convinces the apostates.

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thess. 2:4 NKJ)

Saying it does not make it so .
If the lawless one OPPOSES ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD, how then can he present himself as Savior from our sin ?
He cannot !
Satan incarnate could never mouth the words of salvation from sin, words that from Satan's "anti" spirituality would be pure blasphemy.
What you need to understand is that all who will be deceived , Jew & Gentile , will be deceived in the same way that
Satan has always done so .
According to the carnal nature
Calling himself Christ does not change Satan's method in the least.
As Christ came to give eternal life , so will anti-Christ make the case for eternal life, based on a carnal appeal.
An "anti" eternal life which is actually eternal death.
The deceived not knowing it is eternal hell he is leading them into .
Gen 3:4
¶
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Notice that that in all of the scriptures that talk of the wonders and magic tricks antichrist presents to the world there is not a single mention of antichrist attempting to make an appeal to the world based upon our fatal spiritual flaw ?
Our sin!
In all the aspects Jesus speaks of concerning the coming anti-Christ , Jesus never once mentions this anti-Christ making a spiritual appeal based upon the fallen nature ?

 

[LeviR]

Yes. They are Christ's army, believing born again Jews from the twelve tribes. Through them and God's Two Witnesses the Holy Spirit will be poured out on the church. They will prophesy and accomplish what Christendom failed to do---turn the world on fire for Christ, especially Israel.

16 "But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 `And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved.' (Acts 2:16-21 NKJ)


After listing the divisions (144,000: 12 thousand from each tribe Rev. 7:1-8), what they accomplished is revealed:

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"
11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
12 saying: "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Rev. 7:9-14 NKJ)

I believe there is to be a rapture. How bout you?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Saying it does not make it so .
If the lawless one OPPOSES ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD, how then can he present himself as Savior from our sin ?
He cannot !
Satan incarnate could never mouth the words of salvation from sin, words that from Satan's "anti" spirituality would be pure blasphemy.
What you need to understand is that all who will be deceived , Jew & Gentile , will be deceived in the same way that
Satan has always done so .
According to the carnal nature
Calling himself Christ does not change Satan's method in the least.
As Christ came to give eternal life , so will anti-Christ make the case for eternal life, based on a carnal appeal.
An "anti" eternal life which is actually eternal death.
The deceived not knowing it is eternal hell he is leading them into .
Gen 3:4
¶
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Notice that that in all of the scriptures that talk of the wonders and magic tricks antichrist presents to the world there is not a single mention of antichrist attempting to make an appeal to the world based upon our fatal spiritual flaw ?
Our sin!
In all the aspects Jesus speaks of concerning the coming anti-Christ , Jesus never once mentions this anti-Christ making a spiritual appeal based upon the fallen nature ?

The False Christ claims to be Christ, loving God. Christ warned false Christs would come in His Name.

Of course he won't preach the gospel of salvation, he is the "man of sin", from sin, immersed in sin, condoning every sort of sin. The gospel he preaches will be a gospel of death. Only the children of the Devil will be deceived, not the Elect.

Other scripture shows the false Christ "man of Sin" has another phase, he becomes the "Son of Destruction" and like Judas betrays all connection to Christianity. That is when he opposes all called God.

These two phases are in the details found in Daniel 9:27 (3.5 years ends sacrifice) and Revelation 13:2 (mouth of a lion= False Christ), but then in Rev. 13:5 the Beast is "given a blasphemous mouth and rules another 3.5 years.

He conquers the earth with deceit, ruling the revived Roman Empire letting everyone do as they want. But at midweek, declares he is the seed of Satan "son of perdition" (Gen. 3:15; 2 Thess. 2:3). Then he sits in the Temple of God the church claiming to be God over all gods, including Yahweh God.

That's when he kills the two witnesses in Jerusalem. For 3.5 years he left them alone (as the false Christ), but at midweek morphs into the Antichrist.

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[Consecrated Life]

The False Christ claims to be Christ, loving God. Christ warned false Christs would come in His Name.

Of course he won't preach the gospel of salvation, he is the "man of sin", from sin, immersed in sin, condoning every sort of sin. The gospel he preaches will be a gospel of death. Only the children of the Devil will be deceived, not the Elect.

And having no interest in presenting himself as being anyone's savior the anti-Christ will not only be just fine with the Temple & it's sacrificial system of the Jews which affords them nothing this side of Calvary , and he will ultimately use the Temple for his own aggrandizement when he betrays the Jews.
They will be building a Temple for him and not have a clue that they are doing so,
The ultimate irony will be when Jesus comes and rules the earth from His Holy Hill, establishing His throne in what the Jews intended to be the Holy of Holies .


Jeremiah 3:17
¶At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

 

[Alfred Persson]

And having no interest in presenting himself as being anyone's savior the anti-Christ will not only be just fine with the Temple & it's sacrificial system of the Jews which affords them nothing this side of Calvary , and he will ultimately use the Temple for his own aggrandizement when he betrays the Jews.
They will be building a Temple for him and not have a clue that they are doing so,
The ultimate irony will be when Jesus comes and rules the earth from His Holy Hill, establishing His throne in what the Jews intended to be the Holy of Holies .


Jeremiah 3:17
¶At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

You could be right about that. Its plausible. A false Christ that somehow incorporates Judaism.

But that would create a problem in Christendom, a false Christ must keep up a facade of orthodoxy, or even they will reject him. Its not that hard, don't practice what is preached, or insist anyone actually believe it and the false Christ will fit in well with many churches.

 

[Consecrated Life]

You could be right about that. Its plausible. A false Christ that somehow incorporates Judaism.

But that would create a problem in Christendom, a false Christ must keep up a facade of orthodoxy, or even they will reject him. Its not that hard, don't practice what is preached, or insist anyone actually believe it and the false Christ will fit in well with many churches.

He will tell everyone exactly what they want to hear .
Orthodoxy be damned .
He'll be the ultimate charmer / manipulator .

It is his nature :

Gen 3:4
¶
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

 

[LeviR]

He will tell everyone exactly what they want to hear .
Orthodoxy be damned .
He'll be the ultimate charmer / manipulator .

It is his nature :

Gen 3:4
¶
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

He will be the embodiment of all that is evil, and therefore will be called Satan and the devil.
He is also known as the red dragon because he will have much blood on his hands and will be a king.

 

[for_his_glory]

The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Doom of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on part of the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrificial lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

 

[DavidT]

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (Matt. 24:1-2 KJV)

If a rebuilt temple was a sign of the end-time, then Jesus would have squeezed that prophecy into the context. "Not one stone upon another" or "state of total-destruction and non-use" is the sign of the end-time and that sign persists to this day.

Jesus did include teaching about an abomination IDOL placed in a Jewish temple at Jerusalem. It's in Scripture like Matthew 24:15 where He quotes the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from the Book of Daniel, and that event involves a STANDING STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM. Thus what you say is not true.

Confirming this, Paul never called the Jewish Temple "the temple of God" after he converted to Christ. He certainly wouldn't have called a temple built in the end-time by Christ rejecting Jews (or Antichrist) "the temple of God" (2 Th. 2:3-4)!

Well yes Paul did call the Jewish temple the "temple of God", right there in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 about a false one coming to sit in it and play GOD. So just where... did Apostle Paul even get that idea of a false one coming to sit in that temple?? From Lord Jesus, as Jesus warned specifically in Matthew 24 about the coming of a pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem for the end, and warned the brethren to NOT believe on that false one.

How do we know... for sure, Paul's "temple of God" is about a future built Jewish stone temple for the end? Because firstly, the SPIRITUAL temple can NEVER BE CORRUPTED by any man, nor angel or spirit. The Spiritual Temple shown in Ephesians 2 is founded upon the prophets, Apostles, and with Jesus as its Cornerstone. Thus anyone... falsely saying Paul was pointing to the Temple of The Spirit in 2 Thess.2:4 is MOCKING CHRIST as The Cornerstone of the Spiritual Temple!

Because of that mocking, a true Christian not deceived should quickly know anyone pushing the lie that the Spiritual Temple in Christ can be corrupted is a LIE from Satan's children.

Those who try... to corrupt the Spiritual Temple are simply "cut off" from it, their name removed from the Book of Life. So the Temple of The Spirit ain't... about a place where an evil one can sit in and play God. But a stone temple built by hands... IS a place where an evil one can sit in and play God, and that is Paul's meaning of "temple of God" in that 2 Thess.2:4 verse, Paul speaking of a traditional stone temple in JERUSALEM.

Some believe the Christ's reference to the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 12:11 require the Temple be rebuilt:

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand )
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the (Matt. 24:15-16 KJV)

The "abomination of desolation" prophecy does... require a standing Jewish stone temple to fulfill it. Antiochus IV took Jerusalem in 165 B.C. and ended sacrifices and went inside the 2nd stone temple and setup in IDOL abomination to Zeus, and required that all bow in worship of it. He serves as the pattern for the future "abomination of desolation" by the "vile person" of Daniel 11:31 which Christ warned about for the end of this world.

Already I have shown enough that totally debunks your theory.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Jesus did include teaching about an abomination IDOL placed in a Jewish temple at Jerusalem. It's in Scripture like Matthew 24:15 where He quotes the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from the Book of Daniel, and that event involves a STANDING STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM. Thus what you say is not true.



Well yes Paul did call the Jewish temple the "temple of God", right there in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 about a false one coming to sit in it and play GOD. So just where... did Apostle Paul even get that idea of a false one coming to sit in that temple?? From Lord Jesus, as Jesus warned specifically in Matthew 24 about the coming of a pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem for the end, and warned the brethren to NOT believe on that false one.

How do we know... for sure, Paul's "temple of God" is about a future built Jewish stone temple for the end? Because firstly, the SPIRITUAL temple can NEVER BE CORRUPTED by any man, nor angel or spirit. The Spiritual Temple shown in Ephesians 2 is founded upon the prophets, Apostles, and with Jesus as its Cornerstone. Thus anyone... falsely saying Paul was pointing to the Temple of The Spirit in 2 Thess.2:4 is MOCKING CHRIST as The Cornerstone of the Spiritual Temple!

Because of that mocking, a true Christian not deceived should quickly know anyone pushing the lie that the Spiritual Temple in Christ can be corrupted is a LIE from Satan's children.

Those who try... to corrupt the Spiritual Temple are simply "cut off" from it, their name removed from the Book of Life. So the Temple of The Spirit ain't... about a place where an evil one can sit in and play God. But a stone temple built by hands... IS a place where an evil one can sit in and play God, and that is Paul's meaning of "temple of God" in that 2 Thess.2:4 verse, Paul speaking of a traditional stone temple in JERUSALEM.



The "abomination of desolation" prophecy does... require a standing Jewish stone temple to fulfill it. Antiochus IV took Jerusalem in 165 B.C. and ended sacrifices and went inside the 2nd stone temple and setup in IDOL abomination to Zeus, and required that all bow in worship of it. He serves as the pattern for the future "abomination of desolation" by the "vile person" of Daniel 11:31 which Christ warned about for the end of this world.

Already I have shown enough that totally debunks your theory.

Not debunked at all. Here is my first response, more later.

Ὅταν δὲ ἴδητε τὸ βδέλυγμα τῆς ἐρημώσεως ἑστηκότα ὅπου οὐ δεῖ (Mk. 13:14 WHT)

But when ye see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains: (Mk. 13:14 ASV)

Mark's masculine participle literally refers to a person, not an object: "Standing where he ought not".

So also in Daniel 9:27, the "desolator" is a person:

And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate. (Dan. 9:27 ASV)

This Desolator also sets up an "image" of himself, so the abomination of desolation is both a person and an image of that same person:

Our translations obscure the difference in Greek, Jesus’ words match the Septuagint in Daniel 12:11, but not Daniel 11:31:

BYZ Mark 13:14 τὸ βδέλυγμα τῆς ἐρημώσεως
BYZ Matthew 24:15 τὸ βδέλυγμα τῆς ἐρημώσεως

LXT Daniel 11:31 βδέλυγμα ἐρημώσεως
LXT Daniel 12:11 τὸ βδέλυγμα τῆς ἐρημώσεως

BHT Daniel 11:31 haššiqqûc müšômëm
BHT Daniel 12:11 šiqqûc šömëm

Jesus prayer “Let him that readeth understand” is to open the reader’s understanding that “the abomination of desolation” in Dan. 12:11 not be confused with an “abomination of desolation” in Daniel 11:31.

In context the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:31 is an image that has dual fulfillment in both Antiochus and Antichrist, but in Daniel 12:11 the Antichrist himself is the Abomination of Desolation.

Part. שׁוֹמֵם the desolator (i.e. Antiochus Epiphanes [?]), Dan. 9:27. הַפֶּשַׁע שׁוֹמֵם (for פֶּשַׁע הַשּׁ׳), ibid. Dan. 8:13, the sin of the desolator, and שִׁקּוּץ שֹׁמֵם abomination of the desolator, Dan. 12:11.-Gesenius’ Hebrew And Chaldee Lexicon To The Old Testament Scriptures (p. 835). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.

And from the time when the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination of the destroyer set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (Dan. 12:11 NOY)

This is confirmed by Paul. The "Man of Sin, Son of Perdition" is a person, not an image:

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thess. 2:3-4 NKJ)


As for the Temple.

The Jewish Christ rejecting Temple is already "desolate", God's presence left on the day Christ was crucified, causing an earthquake and rocks to split. The Temple's physical destruction in 70 AD was just the terminus of its being desolated:

50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, (Matt. 27:50-51 NKJ)

So the abomination of desolation is both a person and an image, and no temple built by Christ rejecting people can be the "temple of God" because the presence of God is not in the "holy of holies", the NAOS or sanctuary of the Temple.

In the NT, only the Church is the Temple of God. Therefore, in our target text of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, the usage everywhere else applies there also.

Your interpretation leaves out the Desolator himself entirely who stands up in the Church, the only place where the Presence of God is.


The great falling away from the real Jesus Christ is what makes it "desolate", then God's people separate themselves from the apostate church that now serves the Antichrist.

The Desolation of apostate Christendom happens during the Trumpet blasts:

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When God's presence leaves a "Temple", it will be desolated.

The true Church aka "the Daughter of Zion" flees religious Babylon (which now includes Christendom, all the TARES in it), and "in the wilderness" are nourished by God when God's Spirit is poured out on all believing flesh and they prophesy and dream dreams. They will be raptured just before the bowls of God's wrath are poured out:

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:`Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.
(Rev. 14:12-16 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

...
How do we know... for sure, Paul's "temple of God" is about a future built Jewish stone temple for the end? Because firstly, the SPIRITUAL temple can NEVER BE CORRUPTED by any man, nor angel or spirit. The Spiritual Temple shown in Ephesians 2 is founded upon the prophets, Apostles, and with Jesus as its Cornerstone. Thus anyone... falsely saying Paul was pointing to the Temple of The Spirit in 2 Thess.2:4 is MOCKING CHRIST as The Cornerstone of the Spiritual Temple!

Incorrect, the Temple of God can be defiled:

If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. (1 Cor. 3:17 NKJ)

Idols are an "abomination that causes desolation", causes God to leave His Sanctuary:

5 Then He said to me, "Son of man, lift your eyes now toward the north." So I lifted my eyes toward the north, and there, north of the altar gate, was this image of jealousy in the entrance.
6 Furthermore He said to me, "Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations that the house of Israel commits here, to make Me go far away from My sanctuary? Now turn again, you will see greater abominations." (Ezek. 8:5-6 NKJ)

The "man of sin" is an abomination of nature, he is "of sin" the "seed of Satan" (Gen. 3:15), the Son of Destruction (Perdition) (2 Thess. 2:3). He is a "hybrid Elohim-human" child of Satan.

The False Prophet governing Britian and America will deceive the earth to make an image of Beast that will also be an abomination, supernaturally given life by demonic energy. It will be able to kill anything near it. He will set that up to enforce his 666 mark membership economy.

13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. (Rev. 13:13-15 NKJ)

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When the Antichrist sits in fallen away Christendom as "the Christ", the great falling away will be accomplished. Their apostasy ends the daily sacrifice of taking up the cross to serve Jesus Christ, God the Eternal Son. Then the tares serve the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will work miracles, signs and wonders among the apostates proving to them "he is God", and then he ends all sacrifice to any other gods or thing worshiped, in the middle of the end time 7 year week.

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (Dan. 9:27 NKJ)

The "wing of abominations" is a spacecraft powered by demonic energy, with which he rains down fire from heaven upon his enemies:

But from such passages as Deut. 32:11, Ex. 19:4, and Ps. 18:11, we perceive the sense in which wings are attributed to the שִׁקּוּצִים, the idolatrous objects. In the first of these passages (Deut. 32:11), wings, the wings of an eagle, are attributed to God, because He is the power which raises up Israel, and lifting it up, and carrying it throughout its history, guides it over the earth. In P. 18 wings are attributed to the wind, because the wind is contemplated as the power which carries out the will of God throughout the kingdom of nature. “Thus in this passage wings are attributed to the שִׁקּוּצִים, idol-objects, and to idolatry with its abominations, because that shall be the power which lifts upwards the destroyer and desolater, carries him, and moves with him over the earth to lay waste” (Klief.)-Keil, C. F., & Delitzsch, F. (1996). Commentary on the Old Testament (Vol. 9, pp. 739–740). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson.

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[DavidT]

Not debunked at all. Here is my first response, more later.

And for all that hard research for nothing, what the "abomination of desolation" is per the Book of Daniel is given through a PREVIOUS BLUEPRINT that Antiochus Epiphanes did in 165 - 170 B.C. with going inside the 2nd stone temple in Jerusalem built by the Jews, and setting up an IDOL abomination to Zeus worship. But Jesus quoted from Daniel 11:31 about the placing of that IDOL abomination about 200 years after... Antiochus had been dead, so that means look for the prophecy to be fulfilled at the end of this world, since Jesus gave that as a SIGN for the end in His Olivet discourse.

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

 

[DavidT]

Incorrect, the Temple of God can be defiled:

If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. (1 Cor. 3:17 NKJ)

You don't really show you have understood the above verse. Paul is saying basically that anyone who ATTEMPTS to defile the Temple of The Spirit that "God will destroy him".

Per Ephesians 2, the Spiritual Temple has its foundation as the prophets, Apostles, and Jesus Christ as its Cornerstone. So you're telling me that can be corrupted?? No way, for that would mean Jesus Christ Himself could be corrupted.

Anyone... who defiles the Spiritual Temple with Christ as its Cornerstone is simply "cut off".

Now a Church building or Christian organization by men here on earth does NOT mean the Spiritual Temple, it's the many-membered Body of Christ as "lively stones", the Biblical prophets, Apostles, and Jesus Christ as the Cornerstone, is what the Temple of The Spirit is. And it's obvious that Lord Jesus Christ made His Church of The Spirit this way for those that keep His Word, because those who do not keep His Word and remain faithful are "cut off", their place being among the wicked when He returns.

 

[Alfred Persson]

You don't really show you have understood the above verse. Paul is saying basically that anyone who ATTEMPTS to defile the Temple of The Spirit that "God will destroy him".

Per Ephesians 2, the Spiritual Temple has its foundation as the prophets, Apostles, and Jesus Christ as its Cornerstone. So you're telling me that can be corrupted?? No way, for that would mean Jesus Christ Himself could be corrupted.

Anyone... who defiles the Spiritual Temple with Christ as its Cornerstone is simply "cut off".

Now a Church building or Christian organization by men here on earth does NOT mean the Spiritual Temple, it's the many-membered Body of Christ as "lively stones", the Biblical prophets, Apostles, and Jesus Christ as the Cornerstone, is what the Temple of The Spirit is. And it's obvious that Lord Jesus Christ made His Church of The Spirit this way for those that keep His Word, because those who do not keep His Word and remain faithful are "cut off", their place being among the wicked when He returns.

I am saying God declares His Temple has been defiled by evil doers. That's good enough for me. Sophist denials its possible, don't outweigh God's direct testimony:

O God, the nations have come into Your inheritance; Your holy temple they have defiled; They have laid Jerusalem in heaps. (Ps. 79:1 NKJ)

The Jews believed the Temple could be defiled:

crying out, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place; and furthermore he also brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place. (Acts 21:28 NKJ)

As evidently did Paul who never used the word "attempt to defile". You added that clause to deny what is plainly written:

If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. (1 Cor. 3:17 NKJ)

 

[DavidT]

I am saying God declares His Temple has been defiled by evil doers. That's good enough for me.

And what you are saying then, is impossible PER The Word of God.

So any true... Christian should... immediately recognize that the 2 Thess.2:4 "temple of God" meaning is about the traditional stone temple on earth in Jerusalem, and NOT the Temple of The Spirit which is only about Christ's True Church of The Spirit.

 

[DavidT]

Brethren in Christ Jesus: beware of those telling you that the Temple of The Holy Spirit can be corrupted. Like Apostle Paul taught in Ephesians 2 about that Temple of The Spirit, its foundation is made up of the prophets, Apostles, with Jesus Christ as its Cornerstone.

So any one telling you the Temple of The Spirit can be corrupted are actually claiming that Lord Jesus Christ, its Cornerstone, can also be corrupted. And surely no 'true' Bible-believing Christian would ever believe that!

Thus the "temple of God" of 2 Thess.2 that Apostle Paul was warning us about, that the coming "man of sin" will sit in and claim to be GOD, is about the traditional stone temple in Jerusalem.

Because Antiochus IV set the pattern for placing an IDOL abomination inside the 2nd Jerusalem stone temple of the Jews, spiritually desolating that temple, this then is what the Daniel event about the "abomination that maketh desolate" is about for the END of this world also. Lord Jesus Christ quoted about that "abomination of desolation" for the END in Jerusalem in a stone temple (see Matthew 24 and Mark 13). There in the Olivet discourse by Lord Jesus, He also warned about the same false one that will come as a pseudo-Christ which Apostle Paul warned about in 2 Thess.2.

So there is no excuse for those pushing the doctrine of the devil with claiming the 2 Thess.2:4 "temple of God" means the Temple of The Spirit with Christ Jesus as its Cornerstone. An Orthodox unbelieving Jew would... try and claim that, simply because they work against Christianity, and brethren in Christ should easily realize that.

 

[DavidT]

Who will build the TRUE TEMPLE at Jerusalem?

The following is about Jesus Christ as that "BRANCH".

One of the ideas that establishes in this Scripture that Lord Jesus Christ is Who it is about, is that no flesh man has ever... reigned as a king upon a throne while also being a priest. That phrase, "and he shall be a priest upon his throne" is only about Jesus Christ's future reign as KING of kings, and LORD of lords upon His inherited throne from David. The KJV translators apparently understood this which is why they would put "BRANCH" in all capital letters.

Zech 6:12-13
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
KJV

That being about Messiah-Jesus Christ, He is Who will build the temple, meaning the future Millennial temple of Ezekiel 40 through 47. That temple will exist for His future "thousand years" reign over the nations of Revelation 20. Its detail is given in those Ezekiel 40 through 47 chapters, showing it will be located ON EARTH, in the holy land.

However... today, the Orthodox unbelieving religious Jews in Israel do NOT believe Jesus of Nazareth is Messiah of The Bible. Those Orthodox Jews are still... waiting for Messiah to come. And they believe when Messiah does come, he will build the temple, a literal stone temple, in Jerusalem. Those Orthodox Jews believe today that they are still under the 'old covenant' which requires sacrifices and a standing stone temple to worship in. It is for this reason that for decades, they have been gathering the materials for building their future 3rd temple.

We in Christ Jesus of course know that Jesus ended the 'old covenant' and that old style of worship. Yet this Zech.6 Scripture still does reveal there will be a stone temple, or sanctuary, existing in the holy land for Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect. And that will be under The New Covenant, which Jesus Christ brought through His Blood by His death and resurrection.

Now the Punchline:
Lord Jesus Christ warned us about the coming of a false one that will work great signs, wonders, and miracles, even raining fire down to earth in the sight of men, and he will place an IDOL abomination inside a standing stone temple in Jerusalem for the end of this world, just prior to Jesus' future return. Jesus showed this in His Olivet discourse of SIGNS for the 'end' per Matthew 24 and Mark 13. And Apostle John was given to write about with the coming "another beast" of Revelation 13:11 forward.

Who then, will the Orthodox unbelieving Jews in today's Israel believe on, and think will build their new temple? That coming false one, the pseudo-Christ which Jesus warned us about for the end; the man of sin that Apostle Paul warned us about in 2 Thess.2 that is to sit in that temple and play GOD; and that 'another beast' that will appear LIKE a lamb (Jesus), but speak as a dragon (Satan), and work miracles that will deceive the whole world, except Christ's elect.

That false one is who the Orthodox Jews will accept as their Messiah, and will build their 3rd temple, but those of us in Christ Jesus, we have been WARNED against that coming false one, and to instead WAIT on The True Jesus Christ Who will come AFTER that false-Messiah.

Jesus even warned those unbelieving Jews about that during His Ministry at His 1st coming:

John 5:43
43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
KJV

 

[Alfred Persson]

And what you are saying then, is impossible PER The Word of God.

So any true... Christian should... immediately recognize that the 2 Thess.2:4 "temple of God" meaning is about the traditional stone temple on earth in Jerusalem, and NOT the Temple of The Spirit which is only about Christ's True Church of The Spirit.

No, it is not.

The phrase "Temple of God" used by Paul everywhere else in the NT, refers to the Church. Therefore, in our target text 2 Thess. 2:3-4 Paul is referring to events in the Church.

NKJ 1 Cor. 3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
NKJ 1 Cor. 3:17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
NKJ 2 Cor. 6:16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

NKJ 2 Thess. 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
21 in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. (Eph. 2:19-22 NKJ)



Its impossible Paul---an apostle of Christ, refer to a Christ rejecting Temple in Jerusalem as "the Temple of God".

Not only does Paul say the Church is the Temple of God in the New Covenant, he transferred the imagery of the priesthood and Daily Sacrifice to the church even while the literal Temple in Jerusalem was still standing. The Church is "the Temple of God" (1 Cor. 3:16-17; 6:19; 2 Cor. 6:16; 2 Thess. 2:4; Eph. 2:21). Its members Temple priests (1 Pet. 2:5). Christians offer up "the Daily Sacrifice" (1 Pet. 2:5; Rom. 12:1; Lk. 9:23; Heb. 13:15). Why would Paul reverse himself when speaking of future events?

 

[DavidT]

No, it is not.

Yes it is impossible for the Spiritual Temple in Christ to be corrupted. No man, no angel, no evil spirit, not even Satan can corrupt that Temple of The Spirit.

Any true Christian should easily understand that.

It's those who do not... understand the difference between a material church building made of rocks vs. the True Church of The Holy Spirit which cannot understand this simple point.

To claim that the Temple of The Holy Spirit can be corrupted, like I said before, is to falsely claim that Jesus Christ Himself can be corrupted. Only one against Christ Jesus would make such an idiotic claim against The Scripture that the Temple of The Spirit can be corrupted, because it would also mean Jesus Christ Himself can be corrupted, which is impossible.

Those who would think that Christ and His Church of The Spirit could be corrupted are materialists like Simon the sorcerer who converted to Christ but then offered money to buy The Holy Spirit. Can't be done. The 5 foolish virgins of Matthew 25 even found out that they could not 'buy' The OIL (Holy Spirit) at the market.