Acts 2 and Salvation

[rrowell]

Its pretty simple really if you take all of mans works out of it.

You believe,you get saved.(Holy spirit baptism)

Hi Jarrod, can you show me scriptural where anyone except an Apostle, or the House of Cornelius ever had a "Holy spirit baptism"?
Only Jesus can perform this baptism (Mat. 3:11).

You get baptized and that is an identification with Christ that you are saved( water baptism). Its a Christian acting upon his thankfulness for The Lord saving them.

Where were the thousands that were saved on the day of Pentecost baptized with the Holy Spirit?, they were not, they were water baptized Acts. 2:38

Romans 6:3-4 (KJV)
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Galatians 3:27 (KJV)
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

One must be water baptized to put on Christ.

Was the Thief on the cross saved? Did he get to come off the cross and get dipped in some tank after believing?

The thief on the cross was under the old law, Jesus could save him by saying the word, the new covenant was not in effect, it requires the death of the testator (Heb. 9:16).

 

[gr8grace]

"Everybody who remained DRY survived." BUT, in I Pet.3:21 everyone who gets wet is saved.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance.
THAT PRINCIPLE IS CONDEMNATION BEFORE INVESTIGATION OR CONFIRMATION.

1Pet3:21 is specifically telling us that it is NOT water baptism but the baptism of the Spirit. "NOT as the removal of dirt from the body" Identification with Christs resurrection The Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5.
1 Pet 3:21 is Peter telling us that water baptism is only a symbol of the true saving baptism of the Holy Spirit. That is why Peter tells us that is not the washing of the body(water baptism)

 

[Webb]

There is not ONE word in I Pet.3:21 which even suggests Holy Spirit baptism. If so, where?. The fact that such baptism does not remove "the filth of the flesh", vs. 21, it indicates it to be water. Water IS in the context, vs. 20, Spirit baptism is not. If so, where does it say it? Further, no where does the scripture say Spirit baptism saves,if so, where?

 

[gr8grace]

Hi Jarrod, can you show me scriptural where anyone except an Apostle, or the House of Cornelius ever had a "Holy spirit baptism"?
Only Jesus can perform this baptism (Mat. 3:11).

Where were the thousands that were saved on the day of Pentecost baptized with the Holy Spirit?, they were not, they were water baptized Acts. 2:38

Romans 6:3-4 (KJV)
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Galatians 3:27 (KJV)
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

One must be water baptized to put on Christ.


The thief on the cross was under the old law, Jesus could save him by saying the word, the new covenant was not in effect, it requires the death of the testator (Heb. 9:16).

Eph 1:13-14 Is the Baptism of the Spirit, Men want proof and men want to "see" something. (water baptism)

God wants belief and God seals you.......a Man can not see that ( holy spirit baptism)

The thief was under the same "law" as Abraham Gal 3:6 Salvation is the same for all.

And what about that Lamb who paid the price? 2Tim 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of His own purpose and GRACE, which He gave us in Christ Jesus BEFORE THE AGES BEGAN, Abraham,the thief, you and me and anyone in the future who just believes. Salvation has never changed and never will.

the purpose of water baptism was to teach by illustration the following doctrines:

The believer is identified with Jesus Christ in His death and resurrection;
The believer has victory over, and rejects, human good;
The believer is positionally seated with Jesus Christ at the right hand of God the Father; and
The believer must have a clear understanding of how to produce Divine good from within the Pre-designed Plan of God.
Water baptism was never intended to be a means of salvation. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone, with nothing added to it. Nor was water baptism intended to be a means of spirituality. It was never anything more than a teaching aide - a way of illustrating the doctrines related to being identified with the death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[gr8grace]

There is not ONE word in I Pet.3:21 which even suggests Holy Spirit baptism. If so, where?. The fact that such baptism does not remove "the filth of the flesh", vs. 21, it indicates it to be water. Water IS in the context, vs. 20, Spirit baptism is not. If so, where does it say it? Further, no where does the scripture say Spirit baptism saves,if so, where?

ok we are getting off track here, water baptism is symbolic of the Holy Spirit coming to live in man after he believes, sometimes no one knows when that happens it is between God and the individual. It is a baptism that is supernatural. There are unbelievers who mistakenly get water baptized and we witness it and dont know for sure if they are saved because Gods baptism of the Holy Spirit is the only thing effectual for that individuals salvation.

true belief gets you Gods seal of the Holy Spirit....I was just calling that The baptism of the Spirit and water Baptism symbolized that relationship and the sealing of the Spirit. Eph 1:13-14

 

[rrowell]

Eph 1:13-14 Is the Baptism of the Spirit, Men want proof and men want to "see" something. (water baptism)

God wants belief and God seals you.......a Man can not see that ( holy spirit baptism)

Before we go into the rest of you post on water baptism, lets first address your understanding of Eph. 1:13-14.

First take note of Eph. 1:1

Ephesians 1:1 (KJV)
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

You see here Paul is addressing the "saints which are at Ephesus" or in other words they have already been baptized in accordance with Acts. 2:38, Paul in this chapter is commending the Church. they already obeyed the Gospel.

They were sealed when they received the Gift of the Holy Ghost in Acts. 2:38

 

[Webb]

Hi Jarrod

You wrote: "---water baptism is symbolic of the Holy Spirit coming to live in man after he believes--." Your statement is contradictory. You have "water baptism" coming after the "Holy Spirit coming to live in man". Acts 2:38 has the order this way: repent and baptism first then remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Think about it.

 

[gr8grace]

Hi Jarrod

You wrote: "---water baptism is symbolic of the Holy Spirit coming to live in man after he believes--." Your statement is contradictory. You have "water baptism" coming after the "Holy Spirit coming to live in man". Acts 2:38 has the order this way: repent and baptism first then remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. Think about it.

I have thought about it a lot.

Acts 10:44-48......Holy spirit first, heard second, then water baptism third. And its Peter again!

 

[Webb]

Hi Jarrod

Regarding your post #28 you wrote: "Acts 10:44-48---Holy Spirit first, heard second, then water baptism third."

Correct. Note also Peter said: "the Holy Spirit fell on them , as on us at the beginnig" Acts 11:15. When it fell on the apostles in the "beginning" there was a sound as of a "mighty rushing wind" and cloven tongues "like as of fire sat on each of them". If one claims the baptism of the Holy Spirit today there must also be present the sound of "wind" and "cloven tongues." The baptism of the Holy Spirit was to "guide" the apostles "into all truth" Jn.16:15 and to prove to the Jew God's acceptance of the Gentile (Cornelius in Acts 10,11). No other case of conversion in Acts has this incident. After proving to the Jewish mind the acceptance of Cornelius, a gentile, he like us today had to be baptized. Whats so hard to understand about that that? Read Acts 10 and 11 togethe. Study carefully and find that Holy Spirit baptism was a promise ( and one cannot obey a promise ) and water baptism is a command (Acts 10:48; Mk.16:15-16; Matt.28:19,20) and water baptism is administered by man, not Jesus, while Holy Spirit baptism was administered by Jesus. Water baptism is to the end of the world, Matt.28:19,20 while Holy Spirit baptism happened but twice.

I've got to retire for the night--heavy load tomorrow.

 

[gr8grace]

Before we go into the rest of you post on water baptism, lets first address your understanding of Eph. 1:13-14.

First take note of Eph. 1:1

Ephesians 1:1 (KJV)
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

You see here Paul is addressing the "saints which are at Ephesus" or in other words they have already been baptized in accordance with Acts. 2:38, Paul in this chapter is commending the Church. they already obeyed the Gospel.

They were sealed when they received the Gift of the Holy Ghost in Acts. 2:38

I dont see anywhere in Ephesians where Paul addressed the saints as water baptized saints. And if that was a requirement of salvation Paul of all people would tell us.

Paul is my kind of guy,He tells us straight up!

1cor 1:14-17 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. ( I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not Know whether I baptized anyone else.)

If water baptism was required to be saved, Paul of all people would have been dunken everyone He passed by. He was glad that He didnt Because he was in the same argument With the Corinthians that I am in with you.

 

[Webb]

Hi Jarrod
Youwrote: "Paul is my kind of guy, he tells us straight up." Yes he does!

You wrote: "I don't see anywhere in Ephesians where Paul addressed the saints as water baptized saints." Then you should read Acts 19:1-5. "He tells us straight up."

In Eph.1:3 Paul tells us that all spiritual blessings are "IN CHRIST". The only way your Bible tells you how one gets into Christ wherein are all these spiritual blessings is by baptism into Christ, Rom.6:3,4; Gal.3:26,27. Yes indeed, Paul "TELLS US STRAIGHT UP."

You cite I Cor.1:14-17. Good passage! You think that because Paul baptized but few that it must mean baptism is not really required of us. Note Paul (who tells us straight up) said in vs. 17: "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:" YET, he DID baptize some, verses 16, 17. Question! Did Paul disobey? While not a preacher I have taught and baptized numerous people. But like Paul, I have had others baptize them for various reasons. Our preacher where I attend does the same. The point is, who does the baptizing is not the important factor, its what baptism is for and your Lord said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved", Mk.16:16. The problem the church in Corinth had was preacheritus, NOT a misunderstanding of the purpose of baptism. Yes, Paul tells us ''STRAIGHT UP''!

 

[gr8grace]

Hi Jarrod
Youwrote: "Paul is my kind of guy, he tells us straight up." Yes he does!

You wrote: "I don't see anywhere in Ephesians where Paul addressed the saints as water baptized saints." Then you should read Acts 19:1-5. "He tells us straight up."

In Eph.1:3 Paul tells us that all spiritual blessings are "IN CHRIST". The only way your Bible tells you how one gets into Christ wherein are all these spiritual blessings is by baptism into Christ, Rom.6:3,4; Gal.3:26,27. Yes indeed, Paul "TELLS US STRAIGHT UP."

You cite I Cor.1:14-17. Good passage! You think that because Paul baptized but few that it must mean baptism is not really required of us. Note Paul (who tells us straight up) said in vs. 17: "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel:" YET, he DID baptize some, verses 16, 17. Question! Did Paul disobey? While not a preacher I have taught and baptized numerous people. But like Paul, I have had others baptize them for various reasons. Our preacher where I attend does the same. The point is, who does the baptizing is not the important factor, its what baptism is for and your Lord said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved", Mk.16:16. The problem the church in Corinth had was preacheritus, NOT a misunderstanding of the purpose of baptism. Yes, Paul tells us ''STRAIGHT UP''!

Hi webb,

It just doesnt make sense, If it was a requirement for an individual to be saved Paul would have Baptized EVERYONE because Paul obviously could baptize. And if it was a requirement for the Saving of a soul Paul would have set up a Doctrinal principle Of Water baptism to an elder or another teacher If Paul did not have the time. But knowing Paul,if it was a salvation issue he would have baptized everyone.

The Lord instructed His disciples to go out into the world and spread the good news of salvation, and then teach the doctrines related to salvation to these new believers by using water as an analogy or illustration. This is shown in ACT 8:26-39, But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, "Get up and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza." (This is a desert [road].) So he got up and went; and there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure; and he had come to Jerusalem to worship, and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah. Then the Spirit said to Philip, "Go up and join this chariot." Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" And he said, "Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of Scripture that he was reading was this: "He was led as a sheep to slaughter; and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so He does not open His mouth. In humiliation, His judgment was taken away; who will relate His generation? For His life is removed from the earth." The eunuch answered Philip and said, "Please [tell me], of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?" Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized [taught by illustration and identification] him [with the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ]. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing.
Water baptism was an illustration, a teaching aide, a picture of the real baptism of the Holy Spirit, which had taken place at the precise moment the Ethiopian eunuch believed in the substitutionary salvation work of Jesus Christ on the cross. It was not, and is not, a requirement for salvation. Water was used, prior to the canon of Scripture being complete, to illustrate the doctrine of being identified with Jesus Christ and His work on the cross. The Ethiopian eunuch being baptized was already a believer. He had already accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Savior, and he was already saved. Philip was teaching a doctrinal principle to a believer, not to an unbeliever. An unbeliever cannot understand spiritual things, 1CO 2:14, But a natural man [unbeliever] does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I do not think peters hearers were baptized with the Spirit at that moment, not until they believed.

Hi,

The only place I see in the context of Acts 2 that baptism with the Holy Spirit occurring is verses 2-4.

In verse 37 Peter's hearers were pricked in their heart, that is, they believed. They then asked Peter what THEY MUST DO and Peter in verse 38 commands them to repent and be baptized.

A couple of points:


1) in verse 37 the hearers asked what they must do. Water baptism is what a person does, he actively submits himself to being water baptized. Baptism with the Holy Spirit is something God alone can do while the hearers do nothing. In verse 38 baptism was commanded and the imperative implies being baptized was a requirement, a responsibility upon the hearers to obey not something God would passively do to them. In Acts 1:1-5 baptism with the Holy Spirit was a promise made to the apostles. Promises cannot be obeyed but the command to be water baptized can be obeyed. So the baptism of verse 41 would be water baptism that was commanded by peter that could be obeyed by the hearers and not baptism with the Holy Spirit that could not be obeyed. Peter told his hearers to "Save yourselves from this untoward generation." Nowhere were Peter's hearers told to do nothing while God saves you by baptizing you with the Holy Spirit. There is no verse that says baptism with the Holy Spirit save/remits sins.

2) in the great commission, Mark 16:16 Matt 28:19-20 and Luke 24:47, Jesus had human disciples to go and do the baptizing. Humans can only administer water baptism for God alone can administer baptism with the Holy Spirit. In Luke's account of the great commission Luke wrote "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Lk 24:47.
Just as Luke wrote, Peter was in Jerusalem and preached repentance and baptism in the name of the Lord for the remssion of sins. So the baptism of Acts 2:38 is the same human administered water baptism of the great commission. The baptism of Acts 2:38 is the same baptism the Eunuch was baptized with, Acts 8:36-39

 

[gr8grace]

So guys, I think that this is a matter of life and death and of extreme importance with any individual.

You guys are saying that God the Father didnt beat His Son enough on the Cross, His death wasnt quite enough, His Perfect work on the Cross wasn't quite perfect enough , man has to do more to complete the work of the cross. When our Lord said," It is finished."

This is life and death stuff not just us battling out our theology.

A hypothetical question....do you think The Character and nature of our God would allow this to happen?

My Grandma was an unbeliever all her life, she got cancer and was on her death bed in the hospital and could not move and barely talk, i whispered in her ear about Jesus and she squeezed my hand and ever so slightly whispered back to me I do believe Jarrod, I really do believe! She died about 4 hrs later.
Is my Grandma in Hell because she was never water baptized?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

So guys, I think that this is a matter of life and death and of extreme importance with any individual.

You guys are saying that God the Father didnt beat His Son enough on the Cross, His death wasnt quite enough, His Perfect work on the Cross wasn't quite perfect enough , man has to do more to complete the work of the cross. When our Lord said," It is finished."

This is life and death stuff not just us battling out our theology.

A hypothetical question....do you think The Character and nature of our God would allow this to happen?

My Grandma was an unbeliever all her life, she got cancer and was on her death bed in the hospital and could not move and barely talk, i whispered in her ear about Jesus and she squeezed my hand and ever so slightly whispered back to me I do believe Jarrod, I really do believe! She died about 4 hrs later.
Is my Grandma in Hell because she was never water baptized?

What Christ did on the cross he did for everyone..."But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. ", Heb 2:9 This does not mean that every man will be saved by what Christ did on the cross. What Christ did on the cross grants every man an opportunity to be saved and not an unconditional guarantee of salvation. Heb 5:9 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" So only those that obey Christ take advantage of what Christ did on the cross. Those that do nothing or disobey miss out on what Christ did on the cross. Unfortunately I have had relatives myself who died never having obeyed Christ and will be lost. The gospel does not teach death bed salvation.

 

[gr8grace]

What Christ did on the cross he did for everyone..."But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. ", Heb 2:9 This does not mean that every man will be saved by what Christ did on the cross. What Christ did on the cross grants every man an opportunity to be saved and not an unconditional guarantee of salvation. Heb 5:9 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" So only those that obey Christ take advantage of what Christ did on the cross. Those that do nothing or disobey miss out on what Christ did on the cross. Unfortunately I have had relatives myself who died never having obeyed Christ and will be lost. The gospel does not teach death bed salvation.[/QUOT

Ok, Fair enough.


Acts 4:12 “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.â€
Romans 10:9 -13 “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,†and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.†For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.â€
Romans 1:16 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.â€
Ephesians 1:13-14 “In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.â€
Acts 13:38-39 “Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the Law of Moses.â€
John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.â€
Not one of these Scriptures has adjacent verses that talk anything about adding to the saving work of believing in Jesus. No mention is made of baptism in these verses and nothing is said like “but you must also be baptizedâ€. It is not believing plus baptism, believing plus church membership, believing plus (fill in the blank). No, it is when you believe in Jesus Christ that saves you. Anything that adds to this belief is works and to suggest that being baptized is necessary to being saved is tantamount to saying that Jesus perfect life, sacrifice, death, and resurrection was not enough: I must add baptism to it to complete the saving work of Christ.

My grandma is in heaven and If you have ever believed on The Lord Jesus Christ you will see your relatives that believed in heaven.

It has been interesting! studying false doctrine sure makes the truth shine even brighter.

 

[Webb]

Hello Jarrod

In response to your post # 32 I find you made no response to Acts 19:1-5 or Eph.1:3; Rom.6:3-5 and Gal.3:26,27.

You wrote regarding the conversion of the eunuch in Acts 8:"Water baptism was an illustation, a teaching aid, a picture of the real baptism of the Holy Spirit, which had taken place at the precise moment the Ethiopian eunch believed in the substitutionary work of Jesus Christ on the cross." Jarrod, I've been reading Acts 8 for many years now and have just re-read it and have to tell you none of the above which you wrote is found in Acts 8 nor is it found anywhere in the Bible. Now, if you can recall where its found please let me in on that. You call Holy Spirit baptism "the real baptism". Are you saying water baptism is not and was not real? Let us know. Are you aware that Eph.4:5 says there is but "one baptism"? If "one baptism", it can't be 2 baptisms, do you agree? Which one is it? Holy Spirit or water baptism? Which one is to continue "unto the end of the world"? If you don't know, read Matt.28:19,20, it tells you. Its water baptism. How do we know? Because Jesus told His disciples to go into all the world teaching and baptizing. Who is to do the baptizing unto the end of the world? Men! Jesus is the administrater of Spirit baptism, man the administdrater of water baptism. Ephesians was written in about 62-64 ad and by that time Paul says there was but "one baptism." Please tell us where to find in Acts 8 that "precise moment" where you think that baptism of the Spirit took place for the Eunuch. I read about "water baptism" in Acts 8 for vs. 38 says Phillip and the eunuch went down into the water and the eunuch was baptized. Now, you show anything about the baptism of the Holy Spirit in that passage. You wrote:"The Ethiopian eunuch being baptized was already a believer." Of course he was. Baptism is always for the believer, never the non-believer. There is no record in the Bible of non-believers being baptized. Our Lord said "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved". Belief according to Jesus comes prior to baptism. Saved according to Jesus follows belief. Read it. John 12:48 has Jesus saying we will be judged by His words. We had better pay attention to what the Master said, stop bucking it, stop "kicking against the pricks" like Saul of Tarsus did.

I regret hearing about the death of your grandmother. Brother Bass provided you with the right answer. I too have had relatives who went to the grave without ever obeying the gospel. Yet I have no right to say anything but what Jesus' last words were: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved", Mk.16:16. He will be judge.

As for I Cor.2:14, your position would mean that if any are lost its the Spirit's fault. Instead, I'm persuaded a careful study of I Cor.2:1-16 is concerned with the subject of the inspiration of the apostles of Christ.

God bless

 

[Deborah13]

Its pretty simple really if you take all of mans works out of it.

You believe,you get saved.(Holy spirit baptism)

You get baptized and that is an identification with Christ that you are saved( water baptism). Its a Christian acting upon his thankfulness for The Lord saving them.

Was the Thief on the cross saved? Did he get to come off the cross and get dipped in some tank after believing?
the purpose of water baptism was to teach by illustration the following doctrines:

The believer is identified with Jesus Christ in His death and resurrection;
The believer has victory over, and rejects, human good;
The believer is positionally seated with Jesus Christ at the right hand of God the Father; and
The believer must have a clear understanding of how to produce Divine good from within the Pre-designed Plan of God.
Water baptism was never intended to be a means of salvation. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone, with nothing added to it. Nor was water baptism intended to be a means of spirituality. It was never anything more than a teaching aide - a way of illustrating the doctrines related to being identified with the death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

just food for thought

there were two major "water baptisms" in the bible, The flood and the red sea.

Everybody who remained DRY survived.

Yep, two big waters. Was Noah saved by the water or by the ARK?

 

[Deborah13]

Hi Jarrod, can you show me scriptural where anyone except an Apostle, or the House of Cornelius ever had a "Holy spirit baptism"?
Only Jesus can perform this baptism (Mat. 3:11).

Where were the thousands that were saved on the day of Pentecost baptized with the Holy Spirit?, they were not, they were water baptized Acts. 2:38

Romans 6:3-4 (KJV)
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Galatians 3:27 (KJV)
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

One must be water baptized to put on Christ.


The thief on the cross was under the old law, Jesus could save him by saying the word, the new covenant was not in effect, it requires the death of the testator (Heb. 9:16).

Acts 19:5-10

Amplified Bible (AMP)

5 On hearing this they were baptized [again, this time] in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And as Paul laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke in [foreign, unknown] tongues (languages) and prophesied.

7 There were about twelve of them in all.


Almost all the 1 Corinthians 14 is Paul's instruction to the church in the use of tongues and other gifts. He says he is glad that he speaks in tongues more than all of them.

18 I thank God that I speak in [strange] tongues (languages) more than any of you or all of you put together;

39 So [to conclude], my brethren, earnestly desire and set your hearts on prophesying (on being inspired to preach and teach and to interpret God’s will and purpose), and do not forbid or hinder speaking in [unknown] tongues

This was just one church. It seems there must have been many, baptised in the Holy Spirit with evidence by speaking in tongues.

To baptizo is to immerse, overwhelm. This can be in water but also in the Living Water, the Holy Spirit.
Water can clean the outside but it takes the Living Water to cleanse the inside.

 

[Blev]

Acts 19:5-10

Amplified Bible (AMP)

5 On hearing this they were baptized [again, this time] in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And as Paul laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke in [foreign, unknown] tongues (languages) and prophesied.

7 There were about twelve of them in all.


Almost all the 1 Corinthians 14 is Paul's instruction to the church in the use of tongues and other gifts. He says he is glad that he speaks in tongues more than all of them.

18 I thank God that I speak in [strange] tongues (languages) more than any of you or all of you put together;

39 So [to conclude], my brethren, earnestly desire and set your hearts on prophesying (on being inspired to preach and teach and to interpret God’s will and purpose), and do not forbid or hinder speaking in [unknown] tongues

This was just one church. It seems there must have been many, baptised in the Holy Spirit with evidence by speaking in tongues.

To baptizo is to immerse, overwhelm. This can be in water but also in the Living Water, the Holy Spirit.
Water can clean the outside but it takes the Living Water to cleanse the inside.

Excellent post!