Adam and Eve

[gordon777]

There was a day, according to the Scriptures, and I believe it wholeheartedly, that God parted a sea. A very deep sea. He held that sea open and both the author of the book of the Exodus and Miriam explain that the water stood as a wall on both the right hand and the left hand of the Israelites as they passed through on dry ground.

Do you know that's impossible? We've had water with us from the beginning of this created realm and one of the laws of water that has withstood the test of time for all of those 6,000 years is that water seeks to level itself. It has to! There is not a human being alive that can command, make, devise water to stand unaided like a wall. It's also one of the reasons that we know that the flood had to be global. There's no possible way that water could have flooded some local region with enough water to cover every high ground within that region, and then remained flooding the region for 6 months. Why? Because water seeks to level itself. There is no place on the face of the earth built as a bowl that would have held that description of the water of the flood in some local region. There are always valleys and low lands that water will run through seeking level even in the most dense mountain ranges of the earth.

Firstly it is more like 14000 years, and scientists have uncovered evidence of world floods at about the time of the flood of Noah ( before 6000 years)

There are humans alive that can command water and the seas and the storm to calm and be peaceful, if we can believe that nothing shall be impossible to us.





Luke 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Matthew 8:27 But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

 

[gordon777]

Hopefully you can see my point. Man denies the power and majesty of God in all of his understanding of the things that God has done. Man can't explain to you how a virgin came to be pregnant. It's impossible! We know now, after several hundred years of scientific and medical study that the only way a female's egg becomes a viable fetus is that the sperm of a male must inseminate that egg. It's the only way that any human child has ever been born. But God did it!

We know how children were born, as Adam knew his wife and she conceived.

We know that Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost, and we know we are born again of the Holy Ghost. ( not an impossible/incredible thing to happen) and now we are born not of the will of the flesh or of man, but of God.






Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 26:8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?


John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[gordon777]

Man has to deny that God caused the sun to stand still in the sky at one point in Israel's history. It's impossible and we all shudder to think what would happen if such an event really did occur. But God, according to the Scriptures, did it!

The sun standing still, has to be never remembered, nor come into mind, as the heavens and the earth shall pass, and God creates new heavens and a new earth, and the same with the sea parting, ( there will be no more sea as it is not the sea to remember for faith in Christ) the sea shall depart and the heavens as a scroll..



Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.




Isaiah 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

 

[andy pandy]

Firstly it is more like 14000 years, and scientists have uncovered evidence of world floods at about the time of the flood of Noah ( before 6000 years)

Gordon, can I encourage you to disentangle yourself from what scientists say? Most of what they say is speculation with no evidence.

I will give you an example. Back in the UK where I used to live, it was noised abroad that scientists had discovered the missing link between animals and man. They had found a skull down in Sussex which was known as the Piltdown Man. This went on for 5 years and the scientists were happy as larry and consciously praised for their discovery.

Five years after the event, the skull was shown to be that of a pig. In other words a great big hoax. Oink, oink.

Here's another for you. I started to investigate how long the earth had been here. I used evolutionists as my source. The first said it was 2 million years old. Then I read it was 200 million. Then I read it was 2 billion. Each time I read it increased. The latest figure I have is 14.3 billion years old.

I wouldn't trust a scientist to take my grandma across the road.

 

[gordon777]

In one night, every firstborn child of every family in Egypt, and there were thousands of families at that time living in Egypt, died? How could that possibly be? What kind of natural disease would only affect the firstborn of a family? What kind of imagined catastrophe could have gone throughout a city/nation in one night and left behind, in just a few short hours, every firstborn of every family...dead?

The same diseases that effect everyone after that event, if the children of Israel would not obey the voice of the Lord ( they did not obey and all died the same ways)




Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee.



Deuteronomy 7:15 And the Lord will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.





That is why Christ our passover is sacrificed for us, for us to purge out the old leaven, and to be a new lump, as the children of Israel did no do, through having no faith in God.





1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

 

[gordon777]

For example, the Scriptures tell us that the earth was the first created heavenly body. Does man's science confirm even that small description of the event? So, and I know it's a strong and powerful delusion that so many of just want to believe, but when God works, there are no scientific explanations to tell us how He did things. God is all powerful. God is all wise. God can do, according to the Scriptures, what seems impossible to man. I think, when we discuss the creation and the many, many other miracles of God's handiwork within this created realm, that we are wise to remember that and know and understand that man just cannot answer such questions.

Scientists can become believers in Jesus Christ, because God made all through wisdom, and wonder....

Saying these things are impossible, is silly, the opposite for us, is in faith. ( to believe all things are possible with God)




Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?


Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

 

[gordon777]

Gordon, can I encourage you to disentangle yourself from what scientists say? Most of what they say is speculation with no evidence.

I will give you an example. Back in the UK where I used to live, it was noised abroad that scientists had discovered the missing link between animals and man. They had found a skull down in Sussex which was known as the Piltdown Man. This went on for 5 years and the scientists were happy as larry and consciously praised for their discovery.

Five years after the event, the skull was shown to be that of a pig. In other words a great big hoax. Oink, oink.

Here's another for you. I started to investigate how long the earth had been here. I used evolutionists as my source. The first said it was 2 million years old. Then I read it was 200 million. Then I read it was 2 billion. Each time I read it increased. The latest figure I have is 14.3 billion years old.

I wouldn't trust a scientist to take my grandma across the road.

Scientists have to give honesty, or they would discover nothing in that way, nor have great funds for the discoveries they are allowed( by God) to make.

They rightly show carbon dating is limited, to a certain number of thousands of years, a little more than the 14000 years I added up the creation to be( from adding everybody's births in the bible)

Being against science and scientists wont be a wise move, as they are no thread to the faith, they need the faith and the faith is the POWER OF GOD, in DEMONSTRATION OF THE SPIRIT, but those who pretend to have faith, deny the power thereof.




2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

 

[gordon777]

Now, you have a different perspective, to that great post

 

[gordon777]

Cooper is very correct that people lived long before 6000bc, 6000 years before that.

Carbon dating has people older than people come up with, that date of 6000bc, and who says it is such a date ?

What vain people to not bother reading in scriptures as I did to add up all the years, and it took me a long time to acxhieve it, but clearly, had its purpose without me knowing at the time.

 

[gordon777]

Gordon, can I encourage you to disentangle yourself from what scientists say? Most of what they say is speculation with no evidence.

Why would God not give evidence of the world flood, when scientists searched underneath the seas to locate information of what happened within the time frame we have given in the bible ?

Scientists are not just given to oppose, some of the things they can share can compliment scripture, and nothing they can show can contradict, otherwise God would not be much power, and every scientist able to be convinced, by a man who just happens to have God with him. ( if God wanted it.)

 

[miamited]

Hi gordon777

There are humans alive that can command water and the seas and the storm to calm and be peaceful, if we can believe that nothing shall be impossible to us.

Any chance you could give me some of those names?

Firstly it is more like 14000 years, and scientists have uncovered evidence of world floods at about the time of the flood of Noah ( before 6000 years)

Can you show me your mathematical work on that in the Scriptures? Where do I find the verses that explain, if counted up or added together, that the creation is some 14,000 years old?

We know that Mary conceived by the Holy Ghost, and we know we are born again of the Holy Ghost. ( not an impossible/incredible thing to happen) and now we are born not of the will of the flesh or of man, but of God.

I honestly have no idea how that applies to my explanation of how human babies are born.

The sun standing still, has to be never remembered, nor come into mind, as the heavens and the earth shall pass, and God creates new heavens and a new earth, and the same with the sea parting, ( there will be no more sea as it is not the sea to remember for faith in Christ) the sea shall depart and the heavens as a scroll..

So, your position is that because these features won't exist in the future new creation, that it isn't important for us to understand or believe anything about them today. I'm not in agreement with that being God's desire for us. I fully and faithfully believe that God wants us to believe Him. Not only in what He tells us about our future existence, but also in what He has revealed to us in our current existence.

The same diseases that effect everyone after that event, if the children of Israel would not obey the voice of the Lord ( they did not obey and all died the same ways)

Again, I would ask for chapter and verse where all of the firstborn of Israel were ever singled out among the Israelites and died in one single night without sword or spear being used to kill them. Yes, there was a time that God sent the men of Israel against their own in the wilderness, but that was a pretty normal massacre with swords and it was against all who had been involved in the creating of the golden calf and not just the firstborn. I think it pretty important, in studying this piece of God's testimony, that we understand just how selective the deaths in Egypt must have been in order that it happened in one night without sword being raised and only effected the firstborn. Some slaughter at the hands of men or angels doesn't compare to that event.

Secondly, what is the scientific explanation to explain that anyone who painted the blood of a lamb on their doorposts and lentils was saved from that mysterious death?

I do appreciate your input, but I think you're obfuscating the issue. As far as I'm aware, this discussion isn't about our future spiritual condition or the soon coming new heaven and earth where we will enjoy our salvation. This is a discussion concerning some of the supposed facts that we are told in the Scriptures about some of the things that God has done in working out His plan of salvation in our created realm.

Did a deep sea, at least a couple of hundred feet deep, actually part and stand aside as a trough through which thousands of people were able to flee the pursuing Egyptian army? Did the sun really stand still in a singular place in the sky for nearly a full day? Did a donkey speak to a man in an understandable human language? These, and many other events, are explained to us in the Scriptures as the work of God within our realm of existence. They are explained as actually happening. Do we believe that they did actually happen or do we rather believe that they were some fables that men made up to describe how they perceived the power of God? Even Jesus discussed and spoke of many of these events and referred to all of them when he said, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." Jesus is speaking here of all the things that God has done to drive forward His plan of salvation.

Saying these things are impossible, is silly, the opposite for us, is in faith. ( to believe all things are possible with God)

Exactly my point, thanks.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi gordon777

Scientists are not just given to oppose, some of the things they can share can compliment scripture, and nothing they can show can contradict, otherwise God would not be much power, and every scientist able to be convinced, by a man who just happens to have God with him. ( if God wanted it.)

Sorry, but I beg to differ with you. If God created this realm of existence as He has explained it to us. Within the time constraints that He gives us in the Scriptures, then scientists who try to convince us that this created realm has existed for millions or billions of years are 'given to oppose' what God has pretty clearly explained.

God bless,
Ted

 

[gordon777]

Hi gordon777


Any chance you could give me some of those names?

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

 

[gordon777]

Hi gordon777





Can you show me your mathematical work on that in the Scriptures? Where do I find the verses that explain, if counted up or added together, that the creation is some 14,000 years old?

What use is saying 6000 bc when carbon dating will show the time earlier than that ?

I did my own adding up, and it meant I had a better answer than a time not old enough to be past what science can say by carbon dating.

 

[gordon777]

Hi gordon777





I honestly have no idea how that applies to my explanation of how human babies are born.

We know all through faith, that is how we know how babies are born, the same way( faith)

 

[gordon777]

So, your position is that because these features won't exist in the future new creation, that it isn't important for us to understand or believe anything about them today. I'm not in agreement with that being God's desire for us. I fully and faithfully believe that God wants us to believe Him. Not only in what He tells us about our future existence, but also in what He has revealed to us in our current existence.

Again faith tells us to look forward, and not at this world either.

We look for Jesus in heaven, not on earth.


Philippians 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[gordon777]

Again, I would ask for chapter and verse where all of the firstborn of Israel were ever singled out among the Israelites and died in one single night without sword or spear being used to kill them. Yes, there was a time that God sent the men of Israel against their own in the wilderness, but that was a pretty normal massacre with swords and it was against all who had been involved in the creating of the golden calf and not just the firstborn. I think it pretty important, in studying this piece of God's testimony, that we understand just how selective the deaths in Egypt must have been in order that it happened in one night without sword being raised and only effected the firstborn. Some slaughter at the hands of men or angels doesn't compare to that event.

All died in the wilderness, and the next generation were spared, including God opening up the ground and sending fiery serpents among them.




Numbers 32:13 And the Lord'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the Lord, was consumed.

1 Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 

[gordon777]

Secondly, what is the scientific explanation to explain that anyone who painted the blood of a lamb on their doorposts and lentils was saved from that mysterious death?

That the blood has the life in it in the flesh.




Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[gordon777]

I do appreciate your input, but I think you're obfuscating the issue. As far as I'm aware, this discussion isn't about our future spiritual condition or the soon coming new heaven and earth where we will enjoy our salvation. This is a discussion concerning some of the supposed facts that we are told in the Scriptures about some of the things that God has done in working out His plan of salvation in our created realm.

The created realm is for the god of this world to deceive the hearts of the blind on it



2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[gordon777]

Did a deep sea, at least a couple of hundred feet deep, actually part and stand aside as a trough through which thousands of people were able to flee the pursuing Egyptian army? Did the sun really stand still in a singular place in the sky for nearly a full day? Did a donkey speak to a man in an understandable human language? These, and many other events, are explained to us in the Scriptures as the work of God within our realm of existence. They are explained as actually happening. Do we believe that they did actually happen or do we rather believe that they were some fables that men made up to describe how they perceived the power of God? Even Jesus discussed and spoke of many of these events and referred to all of them when he said, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." Jesus is speaking here of all the things that God has done to drive forward His plan of salvation.

Hebrews 11:29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

Hebrews 11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

Hebrews 11: 33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.





Yes the report is given, and shows, they without us were not made perfect, God provided better for us( Christ is our Sun/Son) and we walk to were the Lamb shows us, unto living fountains of waters, then God wipes away the tears for ever( unlike for Israel in the wilderness)




Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.