Addiction is a disease

[Gary]

so don't preach that anti-gmo stuff to me then. do you think that doesn't have an affect on us and our desires. you aren't made to eat them? okay so can YOU afford the higher organic food budget? have you tried to loose weight? probably not.

So GMOs are causing people to become addicts against their will?
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[jasonc]

So GMOs are causing people to become addicts against their will?
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they are a factor. your body does have the mechanics of cravings. did you ever think that the dealer of drugs is also an issue?

most people don't know that by the time you are thirsty its well past the time for water. I go by urine color to tell and hydrate a lot then if its really yellow. with food that isn't the same anymore, our bodies can be deceived by chemicals. full isn't full. some of its also by the fact we do eat to much , but also addictive substance do cause a problem. so its not a problem/sin to sell addictive substances.

why would you not sell crack and heroine if it was legal? are you forcing them to buy it?

 

[Gary]

then why do you think YOU have that power to stop. do you want emphesma , lung cancer which often is painful and quick death. or other cancers. the smokers lungs. yeah you like that nicotine that much that you prefer that? how long have you smoked? one year or over a decade? my brother did and quit cold turkey, he said it was hard but he made it and doesn't miss it. he said many cant do that . he just was blessed. ten years plus he quit. now he runs. I have asthma the smokers coughing fits. I get them from asthma. no thanks. I wouldn't want to take any substance If I know that cause that stuff. I know that it is hard to quit. real hard.

caffeine will take a toll on my kidneys. I may visit cessation of that. that would eliminate tea and coffee and sodas for me, and the sugar as well.

I've never really tried to quit. I've been smoking for 45 years and yes, my lungs are shot. Is it the cigarettes fault or is it mine? Some would have me blame Big Tobacco, but in all honesty, I'm the one who lights every cigarette I smoke. I'm the one paying for the tobacco. (I roll my own) I'm the one making the conscience effort to inhale smoke into my lungs.

It's not a disease. It's a personal choice.
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[jasonc]

I've never really tried to quit. I've been smoking for 45 years and yes, my lungs are shot. Is it the cigarettes fault or is it mine? Some would have me blame Big Tobacco, but in all honesty, I'm the one who lights every cigarette I smoke. I'm the one paying for the tobacco. (I roll my own) I'm the one making the conscience effort to inhale smoke into my lungs.

It's not a disease. It's a personal choice.
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im not saying it isn't but I do if I sell it have a responsibility. should I see pot, nicotine or be a bartender? when the aa and na has that white or blue chip they give to the quitter of drugs and beer. the bartender then when they come to them in a moment of weakness gives them a free round of beer , blue chip is free for the whole night.

im not tempting him and in part responsible. thanks for justification of a means of gaining wealth for Christians. sell them drugs you have no culpability. to ask the beer brewers and big tobacco to support na and aa and cessation programs is akin to asked the fox guard the hen house or the planned parenthood to give out safe sex pamphlets.

I have no love for big tobacco, or big brewers. both are in it to make $$ the more addicts they have the more $$$$ they make. same can be said when and if all drugs are legal. they don't want us to stop so they will make it harder to quit.

 

[Chopper]

Hello my old Buddy Stove Bolts. I'm glad that you had the courage to start this thread. This is a hot topic to be sure. Lots of differing views and opinions. I haven't counseled hundreds of addicts like some of my fellow counselors, but I've counseled a few. What I see is people who for some reason start experimenting with a variety of drugs. Life is very difficult these days and depression is, for many people a disease that leads to drug abuse.

I used to think that drug abuse was strictly a spiritual fault. But I agree with you my Brother that it has become a difficult disease. Once the continual effects of drugs on the brain, it now becomes a disease. I'm no expert on addictions and drug abuse, but I've seen people who were themselves prior to the use of drugs, become someone completely different.

There have been occasions where a person became very angry at what drugs had destroyed in their lives and health, so they sought spiritual help for deliverance. Those people wanted deliverance much more than they wanted the drugs. They ended up with a strong faith that the minister could deliver them and it happened. There are some wonderful testimonies of folk who, because of our Lord's deliverance power, of folk set free. I must admit though these people are few. Most addicts cannot change what the drugs have stolen from their brains and subconsciously refuse any spiritual help that comes their way.

Disease? Oh yes. The brain has been compromised and is in need for any medical attention that might come down the pike to help restore what drugs has destroyed.

 

[Lewis]

Bipolar Disorder and Addiction


Bipolar disorder, once commonly known as manic depression, is a serious mental disorder that is characterized by sudden and intense shifts in mood, behavior and energy levels.

Like substance abuse, bipolar disorder poses a risk to the individual’s physical and emotional well-being. Those afflicted with bipolar disorder have a higher rate of relationship problems, economic instability, accidental injuries and suicide than the general population. They are also significantly more likely to develop an addiction to drugs or alcohol. According to statistics presented by the

 

[stovebolts]

Gary
Please agree to disagree and remove yourself from this thread. No good will come of this.
reba Rick W

 

[Gary]

Gary
Please agree to disagree and remove yourself from this thread. No good will come of this.
reba Rick W

Seriously?

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[th1b.taylor]

How did they come to have this craving for this substance? Did they just wake up one day to discover they were addicted to Heroin or tobacco or whatever and there was nothing they could do about it? They just became addicts through no fault of their own?

Is that how addiction works?
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Gary,
I can only speak from personal experience and I'm going to tell you no! I made a choice and every addict of booze, drugs and or sex I ever came into one on one contact made the same bad choice. That is a learned process and that is not a disease. As someone said earlier in this string someone nailed this as one more way for people to blame their bad choice on something or someone else allowing them to escape responsibility until they stand the Judgment.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Gary
Please agree to disagree and remove yourself from this thread. No good will come of this.
reba Rick W

Steve,
You are not running an AA meeting here, that is very arrogant and nasty of you to ask Gary to remove himself because he smart enough to think a thing through and then disagree with you. Are you medically trained with eight years or more schooling or are you just pushing the Alanon and AA standard lines, parroting what you've been fed?

 

[jasonc]

no one is denying personally culpability. but well diabetes is usually a diet issue , I guess we should pray ONLY and not have meds to assist the malfunctioning pancreas. type 2 diabetes can be eliminated with diet changes usually. but it does take a lot of work and sometimes its really does change into type one which neither diet nor exercise can fully rectify.

bad food habits are also learned and also sedentary lifestyle. if one wants to one can make the time to walk. my wife is a pre diabetic person. she has been on insulin and then taken off. she went from type 2 to pre diabetic. I also know a man who was like that and doesn't take any meds and totally beat it. he just walks a lot and maintains his diet to exclude a lot of sugar and sugar found naturally from grapes, bananas, raisins and other foods that he must minimize

 

[Rick W]

My goodness.
Define it any way one wants. And the blame game can be played later, judgment a future event.
Get them treatment, make the effort to help someone in need, get them out of jeopardy along with those around them and get on with the arduous task of healing. We'll talk about blame, accountability and the petition of forgiveness then. In the meantime somebody is in trouble and needs help.

 

[jasonc]

My goodness.
Define it any way one wants. And the blame game can be played later, judgment a future event.
Get them treatment, make the effort to help someone in need, get them out of jeopardy along with those around them and get on with the arduous task of healing. We'll talk about blame, accountability and the petition of forgiveness then. In the meantime somebody is in trouble and needs help.

sadly we live in a society of throw away cars, homes and appliances and now people. we make homelessness a crime and encourage the vices that gets them there . why how satanic that is.

 

[Rick W]

In my lifetime I've seen the attack on family values planted, nurtured and come to fruition. Same thing with most things that keep people together. Parents are no longer considered the primary source of proper social education. Our kids are being exposed to diseases through things they shouldn't be doing and when they find themselves in trouble it's buried or ignored because the things they were doing that got them in trouble is defended and applauded as some kind of release from the chains of social restraint that is supposed to make our kids feel better about themselves. Then when they get in trouble it's treated like tabboo and they're shoved into a corner somewhere so nobody notices them.
Don't get me started

 

[th1b.taylor]

no one is denying personally culpability. but well diabetes is usually a diet issue , I guess we should pray ONLY and not have meds to assist the malfunctioning pancreas. type 2 diabetes can be eliminated with diet changes usually. but it does take a lot of work and sometimes its really does change into type one which neither diet nor exercise can fully rectify.

bad food habits are also learned and also sedentary lifestyle. if one wants to one can make the time to walk. my wife is a pre diabetic person. she has been on insulin and then taken off. she went from type 2 to pre diabetic. I also know a man who was like that and doesn't take any meds and totally beat it. he just walks a lot and maintains his diet to exclude a lot of sugar and sugar found naturally from grapes, bananas, raisins and other foods that he must minimize

Jason,
This never sounds kind but it is not meant any other way but when one runs down rabbit trails away from the subject matter it is another way of restructuring the issue in an attempt to win and winning is never the point. diabetes is a disease, type 1 or type 2, as is asthma. Rellbeling alcoholism is not a new thing by any means and that process falls right into line with the abuse of drugs. The entire relabeling process is about government grant monies. Asthma, COPD, MS, Cancer and addiction are in the same class.

The closest it can be shoved in that direction is mental instability and as Military, you do not want to go there because that disqualifies every Good Officer and NCO in the Service to this nation. And, as scary as it is to the American Civilian, I was only useful and effective in three tours of combat because of the escape mechanisms that were built into the Vietnam War. were it not for the Booze, the Mary Jane and the Opium I would have gone over the edge and some sane man would have had to report my death by friendly fire. I loved that, friendly bullets, they just want to be close with you.

 

[th1b.taylor]

My goodness.
Define it any way one wants. And the blame game can be played later, judgment a future event.
Get them treatment, make the effort to help someone in need, get them out of jeopardy along with those around them and get on with the arduous task of healing. We'll talk about blame, accountability and the petition of forgiveness then. In the meantime somebody is in trouble and needs help.

I agree Rick but liberal judges have removed the effectiveness that the Texas Penal System once had, our state can't even stream line the twenty year process it takes to exterminate the crud of the earth and an Air Conditioned cell with a Big Screen TV are doing nothing to keep folks from wanting to go back inside. We no longer reform anyone of anything. That leaves zero treatment for these folks.

 

[jasonc]

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I agree Rick but liberal judges have removed the effectiveness that the Texas Penal System once had, our state can't even stream line the twenty year process it takes to exterminate the crud of the earth and an Air Conditioned cell with a Big Screen TV are doing nothing to keep folks from wanting to go back inside. We no longer reform anyone of anything. That leaves zero treatment for these folks.

not in florida. we have aa, and na and the state is willing to help. i have heard that from the mouth of the warden at a prison that employs a soldier in my unit.

 

[jasonc]

the state of florida doesn't ban church run aa or na. they wouldn't. we don't want the state to do this stuff as it cant be neutral toward the issues of any religion. if it allow Christians to do this then It must allow muslims and others. if doesn't then it must deny all. or teach a non theistic view of it. the army has a similar policy on sucide. I don't believe in mandating any person to Christian aid. it defeats the purpose. Jesus didn't say go and pass laws to make disciples. he said I will draw men if Im lifted up.

 

[Rick W]

May I be so bold as to urge everyone to tame it down a bit? This page of the thread is getting a little more tense than it should.

Thank you for your support.

 

[th1b.taylor]

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not in florida. we have aa, and na and the state is willing to help. i have heard that from the mouth of the warden at a prison that employs a soldier in my unit.

Jason,
That is the narrow or short term view. This is not about forty or fifty million, this ks about hundreds of billions of already worthless dollar bills and devaluing them further as a result. This is not even a monolithic issue. This ties directly into the education funds for our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, the funds that, already, underpay our soldiers and police officers and the funds that pay the paltry combat veterans pensions.

This is part of the One World Government movement to realign the Christians and to move the stragglers away from God.