Age of Accountability - Boston, MA Bombing Suspect#2

[Doulos Iesou]

Does scripture say anything about knowing of sin at age 7 or 13.

Scripture does not specify the age, but there are several passages that display there is an age before the children know right and wrong.

And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it. Deuteronomy 1:39(ESV)

For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted. Isaiah 7:16(ESV)

In Deuteronomy 1:39, it is clear that it is speaking of children, but it is unsure as to what age this Hebrew word וְטַפְּכֶם֩ extends to.

 

[gr8grace]

something to chew on: Who's to say he wasn't saved and wouldn't have went to heaven?

Pleaasee, lol. I think milk just shot out of my nose. :toofunny

I got a chuckle out the fact that you used "milk" coming out of your nose.

Urk as we grow in Christ and start to learn of His grace, and have a inkling of how sinful we really are. One starts to realize if he can save me, He can save anybody. And as we grow in Grace i believe we start to really appreciate these verses more and more....

1 Tim 2:4~~ who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9~~The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

If we are talking accountability for damnation, for a normal,intelligent person, I believe the age of accountability is a moment before physical death.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

If we are talking accountability for damnation, for a normal,intelligent person, I believe the age of accountability is a moment before physical death.

Care to elaborate on this last clause? It's not very specific in your use of the English, using the indefinite article "a" rather the definite article "the" to rather say, "the moment before physical death." Saying, "a moment before physical death," could realistically be ANY moment before physical death and simply at some point in their life, as all of life happens.. before physical death.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Guest]

For example, think about this for a second. Are we trying to prove that a certain age knows right from wrong, and a certain age knows good from evil. Does a child know what sin is when they learn how to read, or when the parent says no no, don't touch that, and the child stays away. If this was true, the age of accountability for no no don't touch that would be age 2-3, the age of accountability for reading would be age 3-4.

Child is aware of his actions vs. child can think for himself. Interesting, no?

 

[gr8grace]

If we are talking accountability for damnation, for a normal,intelligent person, I believe the age of accountability is a moment before physical death.

Care to elaborate on this last clause? It's not very specific in your use of the English, using the indefinite article "a" rather the definite article "the" to rather say, "the moment before physical death." Saying, "a moment before physical death," could realistically be ANY moment before physical death and simply at some point in their life, as all of life happens.. before physical death.

Care to elaborate?

no, I am not going to elaborate

 

[Doulos Iesou]

no, I am not going to elaborate

Well... how graceful of you....

It seems that you were implying by your statement that right up to the moment before they die, a person is not accountable for what they do. Is that correct?

 

[Doulos Iesou]

For example, think about this for a second. Are we trying to prove that a certain age knows right from wrong, and a certain age knows good from evil. Does a child know what sin is when they learn how to read, or when the parent says no no, don't touch that, and the child stays away. If this was true, the age of accountability for no no don't touch that would be age 2-3, the age of accountability for reading would be age 3-4.

Child is aware of his actions vs. child can think for himself. Interesting, no?

I don't think there is a universal standard, as there are a whole host of variables that have to be considered. Such as many children as you can easily observe, do not develop at the same rate as other children. Therefore, coming to a hard and fast "age of accountability," without taking into consideration these kinds of variables can lead into some pretty dangerous territory, that I don't think it would be wise to push on when we have no warrant from Scripture to do so.

 

[Guest]

Ty, blessings everyone. The end conclusion I'm getting here is that it's up to God to judge. That's a fair analysis.

 

[Deborah13]

Are we trying to prove that a certain age knows right from wrong, and a certain age knows good from evil.

Exodus 30:13-15

King James Version (KJV)

13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs an half shekel shall be the offering of the Lord.
14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the Lord.
15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the Lord, to make an atonement for your souls.


Is this a sin offering? Atonement for their souls?

 

[Mountain Man]

Two men plant bombs that kill and cripple innocent people and we wonder whether one went to heaven or not and if the other one is responsible for his crimes....America is truly finished with its version of Christianity leading the way.

 

[gr8grace]

Ty, blessings everyone. The end conclusion I'm getting here is that it's up to God to judge. That's a fair analysis.

I completely Agree Urk.

And He is a Just and righteous Judge. Ps 9:8~~And He will judge the world in righteousness; He will execute judgment for the peoples with equity.

 

[Doulos Iesou]

Ty, blessings everyone. The end conclusion I'm getting here is that it's up to God to judge. That's a fair analysis.

The moment when it happens is difficult to determine yes, but I think the argument can be made that the individual who committed the action has shown evidence of being able to be held accountable for his actions morally and under the law.

At least, there has been nothing revealed yet that should excuse him.

 

[Guest]

Are we trying to prove that a certain age knows right from wrong, and a certain age knows good from evil.

Exodus 30:13-15

King James Version (KJV)

13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs an half shekel shall be the offering of the Lord.
14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the Lord.
15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the Lord, to make an atonement for your souls.


Is this a sin offering? Atonement for their souls?

Good question, what do you think. Are these scriptures referring to believers or unbelievers that are 20 and older. I think an offering can be an unbeliever coming to salvation itself or it can be a believer letting go of a sin as an offering. Is scripture saying that you would have to be 20 years old or older to give these offerings. However these scriptures are talking about money. Interesting, blessings.

 

[Deborah13]

Are these scriptures referring to believers or unbelievers that are 20 and older. I think an offering can be an unbeliever coming to salvation itself or it can be a believer letting go of a sin as an offering.

Well this is OT speaking of the ones who were with Moses. So I thought this might be relevant to the only under 20 being allowed into the promised land.

I think it is requiring those 20 and over to give it.

11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “When you take a census of the Israelites to count them, each one must pay the Lord a ransom for his life at the time he is counted. Then no plague will come on them when you number them. 13 It will be a memorial for the Israelites before the Lord, making atonement for your lives.”

Not a sin offering, but a ransom for their lives. Money to go to the temple.
Still and so counting the 20 and over only. Saying to me those under 20 were considered children. They were not counted in the census.

I guess not important to this thread. Just interesting and ??

 

[John 8:32]

Ty, blessings everyone. The end conclusion I'm getting here is that it's up to God to judge. That's a fair analysis.

The moment when it happens is difficult to determine yes, but I think the argument can be made that the individual who committed the action has shown evidence of being able to be held accountable for his actions morally and under the law.

At least, there has been nothing revealed yet that should excuse him.

Honest question, what would excuse him?

 

[Doulos Iesou]

Honest question, what would excuse him?

I think those who act ignorantly, such as in the case of serious mental deficiencies would be treated as children developmentally and thus not truly knowing right from wrong, and not knowing how to not do evil as Isaiah 7:16 asserts.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Servant of Jesus

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Proverbs 10:23

A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct.

 

[lw9]

The bible teaches that a child can go astray from birth, be unclean, and even be led into sin. I see no 'age of accountability' in the bible.

Matt 18:6 “But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck.”

Ps 58:3 Even from birth, the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.

Ps 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Pro 20:11 Even a child is known by his actions, by whether his conduct is pure and right.

1 Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all have sinned – 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world.

The good news: God reveals Himself to whoever He chooses, including infants:

Lu 10:21 At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit and said, “I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.”

 

[iLOVE]

God defines a child as a person who is 19 and younger. Exodus 30:11-16 NIV, Numbers 14:29 NIV, Deuteronomy 1:39 NIV. Our children are so loved by our Savior and His grace is extended to them.

 

[chessman]

Some Christians on this forum have said the age of accountability is 20 years old. Since bomber suspect#2 is 19 years old, would he have gone to heaven if he died. What does scripture say about 19 year old's that go on a rampage and kill.

Scripture says:

Rom 3: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
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and

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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so Knotical is correct, here with

It absolutely has to do with the individual.

Yet our so called “Christian†nation and “modern†society says things like, “it’s not his fault at all†or there is no “accountability†at any age. Were just molecules in motion or what’s right for you is not necessarily right for me via these examples:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/us/boston-brainwash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/21/us/tsarnaev-brothers-relationship/index.html?iref=allsearch
http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/...umans-attribute-morals-and-emotions-to-robots

AND PEOPLE (even some Christians) FALL FOR THIS! Sad.