Age of Accountability - Boston, MA Bombing Suspect#2

[Guest]

God defines a child as a person who is 19 and younger. Exodus 30:11-16 NIV, Numbers 14:29 NIV, Deuteronomy 1:39 NIV. Our children are so loved by our Savior and His grace is extended to them.

Blessings iLOVE, ty for posting. However, it looks as if most posters in this thread disagree w/you.

 

[iLOVE]

God defines a child as a person who is 19 and younger. Exodus 30:11-16 NIV, Numbers 14:29 NIV, Deuteronomy 1:39 NIV. Our children are so loved by our Savior and His grace is extended to them.

Blessings iLOVE, ty for posting. However, it looks as if most posters in this thread disagree w/you.

Life is full of gray areas, but the bible is black and white. God is in the business of making the world look foolish because of there debates vs. addressing sin. God has worked this thing so He will get the credit.

 

[turnorburn]

I was following you lw9 until you got to

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Something in your translation about "infants" in the King James its babes..

The age of accountability negates the cross of Christ. I've been taught that God is not a respecter of persons.. your either clean or unclean, which i it?

tob

 

[lw9]

turnorburn: The age of accountability negates the cross of Christ. I've been taught that God is not a respecter of persons.. your either clean or unclean, which i it?

Where did I disagree? There are no loopholes or 'get out of jail free' cards for anyone, including those of a certain age. ALL have sinned and ALL must turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. The Bible clearly states children are capable of sin - and sin results in death -

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all have sinned – 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world.

- but it also proclaims that children are capable of faith. I see no evidence for an 'age of accountability' doctrine in the bible, but I do see the evidence of the gospel of salvation at work even among infants.

 

[lw9]

Food for thought:

Sodom and Gomorrah: If infants and children are not accountable, why did God count them among the wicked and allow them to be killed? God said He would spare the 2 cities if there were any who were righteous in them. He spared no one but Lot and his family. Those who died, whoever they were and no matter what age, were counted among the wicked. If infants and children are pure and sinless, how could this happen?
Gen 18:23 Abraham said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place [Sodom] for the sake of the fifty rightous people in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing… 26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”

Gen 19:12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here – sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that He has sent us to destroy it.”

Great Flood: If infants and children are not accountable, why did God count children among the corrupt and allow them to be killed?
Gen 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “ I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. “

Punishment of the Israelites: If infants and children are not accountable, why did God count children among the wicked and have them killed?
Eze 9:4 And the Lord said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.” 5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark.”

Again, this is the bottom line truth:
Acts 4:10 “It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Jn 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.

So... no age of accountability, but the good news and grace that applies to adults also applies to children: salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[reba]

Praise the Lord for His great Grace and Mercy

 

[Grappler]

Some Christians on this forum have said the age of accountability is 20 years old. Since bomber suspect#2 is 19 years old, would he have gone to heaven if he died. What does scripture say about 19 year old's that go on a rampage and kill.

:twopistols

Wow i never have met anyone in person or on-line that believed that.

 

[Mizzy]

Two men plant bombs that kill and cripple innocent people and we wonder whether one went to heaven or not and if the other one is responsible for his crimes....America is truly finished with its version of Christianity leading the way.

Shouldn't we hope all people go to heaven regardless of their sins? If we're to believe that God knew this event would take place & therefore, all deaths & injuries that day were in His very capable Hands, why wouldn't we hope the bomber discovered the same grace we have found?

 

[Eugene]

Shouldn't we hope all people go to heaven regardless of their sins?

Amen and good post Mizzy. :waving

 

[ezra]

Two men plant bombs that kill and cripple innocent people and we wonder whether one went to heaven or not and if the other one is responsible for his crimes....America is truly finished with its version of Christianity leading the way.

Shouldn't we hope all people go to heaven regardless of their sins? If we're to believe that God knew this event would take place & therefore, all deaths & injuries that day were in His very capable Hands, why wouldn't we hope the bomber discovered the same grace we have found?

THATS THE GOOD NEWS OF THE BIBLE-WHO SO EVER SHALL CALL UPON THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

 

[iLOVE]

Food for thought:

Sodom and Gomorrah: If infants and children are not accountable, why did God count them among the wicked and allow them to be killed? God said He would spare the 2 cities if there were any who were righteous in them. He spared no one but Lot and his family. Those who died, whoever they were and no matter what age, were counted among the wicked. If infants and children are pure and sinless, how could this happen?
Gen 18:23 Abraham said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place [Sodom] for the sake of the fifty rightous people in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing… 26 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”

Gen 19:12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here – sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that He has sent us to destroy it.”

Great Flood: If infants and children are not accountable, why did God count children among the corrupt and allow them to be killed?
Gen 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “ I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. “

Punishment of the Israelites: If infants and children are not accountable, why did God count children among the wicked and have them killed?
Eze 9:4 And the Lord said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.” 5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark.”

Again, this is the bottom line truth:
Acts 4:10 “It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Jn 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.

So... no age of accountability, but the good news and grace that applies to adults also applies to children: salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

Blessings,

The death of a child is not judgement. God has stated He does not get any pleasure over anyone's death. Jesus has stated we will have suffering in this world. He didn't state we might, but we will. In the book of "Job" God allowed Satan to kill his kids. When "Job" questioned God, God stated, "where were you when I created the earth", etc. "Job replied, "things are to wonderful for my understanding". God sends and allow trials and tribulations (He is in control). As I stated above God has worked this thing so He will get the credit (glory). The scripture states, Good people pass away; the godly often die before their time. But no one seems to care or wonder why. No one seems to understand that God is protecting them from the evil to come. For those who follow godly paths will rest in peace when they die. Isaiah 57:1-2 NLT

No one goes to hell for sin(s), they will go for rejecting Jesus. As Christian believers we must understand that the gospel = the too good to be true news. Paul has stated if anyone preaches a gospel other than the gospel of grace let God double cursed them. (Book of Galatians 1)

Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:16-18 NIV

Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely. 1 Corinthians 13:12 NLT

 

[John 8:32]

Some Christians on this forum have said the age of accountability is 20 years old. Since bomber suspect#2 is 19 years old, would he have gone to heaven if he died. What does scripture say about 19 year old's that go on a rampage and kill.

:twopistols

Wow i never have met anyone in person or on-line that believed that.

The courts are full of them, we call them "Justices".

 

[Eugene]

The courts are full of them, we call them "Justices".

:biglol I do like that and hopefully you don't mind if I think of that and use it in the future without remembering where I heard it; good stuff.

 

[John 8:32]

The courts are full of them, we call them "Justices".

:biglol I do like that and hopefully you don't mind if I think of that and use it in the future without remembering where I heard it; good stuff.

Be my guest.

 

[lw9]

iLOVE: The death of a child is not judgement.

The examples of Sodom and Gomorah, the Great Flood and the punishment of the Israelites are absolutely judgments against those particular people at that particular time. We know this because God has said so. God IS the judge and His judgment is perfect. God already knows the wicked from the righteous, not only from birth, but before the creation of the world -

Ps 58:3 Even from birth, the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.

Eph 1:4 For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will – 6 to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the One He loves.

Rom 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose. 29 For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.

1 Pet 1:1 To God’s elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood.

Jer 1:4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;

Ps 139:15 When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Isa 49:1 Before I was born the Lord called me; from my birth he has made mention of my name.

God the Creator has the right to judge all people, young and old, and I trust in His judgment. I'm sorry, I'm not understanding the rest of your post and how it relates to what I posted.

 

[iLOVE]

iLOVE: The death of a child is not judgement.

The examples of Sodom and Gomorah, the Great Flood and the punishment of the Israelites are absolutely judgments against those particular people at that particular time. We know this because God has said so. God IS the judge and His judgment is perfect. God already knows the wicked from the righteous, not only from birth, but before the creation of the world -

Ps 58:3 Even from birth, the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.

Eph 1:4 For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will – 6 to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the One He loves.

Rom 8:28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose. 29 For those God foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.

1 Pet 1:1 To God’s elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood.

Jer 1:4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;

Ps 139:15 When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Isa 49:1 Before I was born the Lord called me; from my birth he has made mention of my name.

God the Creator has the right to judge all people, young and old, and I trust in His judgment. I'm sorry, I'm not understanding the rest of your post and how it relates to what I posted.

I don't believe in Calvinism as you do.

 

[lw9]

iLOVE --

I am not a Calvinist, period. There are many points of Calvinism I reject. It's a shame you feel the need to jump to that false conclusion/false assumption without even knowing what you're talking about, and it comes across as a dodge. Replying 'I don't believe in Calvinism' doesn't address the topic or the scriptures, does it.

I'd like to know what exactly you take issue with in the scriptures I have posted. Do you not believe them or what? Explain.

 

[WIP]

Let's stay on topic please.

 

[John 8:32]

As far as suspect #2, he knew what he was doing so the duely constituted authorities should apply punishment.

 

[Mountain Man]

Two men plant bombs that kill and cripple innocent people and we wonder whether one went to heaven or not and if the other one is responsible for his crimes....America is truly finished with its version of Christianity leading the way.

Shouldn't we hope all people go to heaven regardless of their sins? If we're to believe that God knew this event would take place & therefore, all deaths & injuries that day were in His very capable Hands, why wouldn't we hope the bomber discovered the same grace we have found?

Our "hope" has nothing to do with where he is or isn't,what i am talking about are the lives they took and the lifelong misery they have brought to others who i have not seen mentioned once.t The world doesn't care simply because they don't while christians do it with a pious regiosity and indifference that i'm sure would be extemely offensive to any family member reading it.......these men committed horrible crimes one is dead and is where ever he is and the one left should tried speedily and if found guilty have his life taken from him in exchange for the ones he took.