Alcohol in Heaven

[Panin]

This is a post by someone I saw on a non christian thread.

The Bible gives a perfect description of alcohol in Proverbs 23:"Who hath WOE? Who hath SORROW? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? THEY THAT TARRY LONG AT THE WINE; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it BITETH LIKE A SERPENT, AND STINGETH LIKE AN ADDER. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things."

The Bible says, ". . . at last it biteth like A SERPENT." Do you know what a serpent bite is? POISON!
Did you know that alcohol is poison?
Every major organ in your body is poisoned by alcohol. "Scientific data shows alcohol is THE MOST PHYSICALLY DETERIORATING drug there is. It causes more organic damage than any other drug. . ."Why is it when people get drunk, they have a tendency to vomit? Because your stomach knows POISON when it comes down! No wonder the bartender says, "NAME YOUR POISON"! When a man is drunk, he is INTOXICATED. Do you know what a TOXIC is? IT IS A POISON!
so why would jesus make wine?
Scientists have only recently discovered the physical process that creates the slurred speech and drunken stupor. Once in the blood stream, alcohol causes a coagulation of the red corpuscles referred to as "sludging". The blood thickens so that it cannot flow freely and clogs the metabolic exchange of life-giving oxygen. And when cells are deprived of oxygen - THEY DIE! And because brain cells require a high oxygen supply continuously, they are particularly vulnerable! And brain cells are the only cells that do not reproduce! Brain cells destroyed are never replaced! Autopsies performed on drinkers, often reveal hollow cavities in the skull, where ENTIRE CONVOLUTIONS OF THE BRAIN HAVE DISAPPEARED! And according to studies by Dr. Melvin H. Kinsley, brain damage occurs progressively from THE VERY FIRST DRINK! The next time you see that man staggering drunk - YOU ARE WATCHING A MAN LITERALLY DESTROYING HIS BRAIN!

Median lethal dose of ethanol
BAC (mg/dL) 400 BAC(% v/v) 0.4%

a lot of incorrect information but I see the point, Alcohol can be damaging when you have to much, just like water or anything else.

Is it a sin to drink a cup of gasoline? very damaging. A sin to sneeze? it kills brain cells. What exactly IS the sin then?

What is incorrect about it?

Drink is not food, and food is not drink otherwise we would not have two words to describe two different things, and the bible would not use two words either.

It is a sin to lie and twist the meaning of words. :D

 

[Elijah674]

And one wonders why there is a Rev. 17:1-5 verse??

" drunk with the wine of her fornication."

The verse is not about alcohol.

You're right! It's a verse about doctrine in that wine is commonly a symbolic reference for doctrine (teaching). Being drunk is commonly a symbolic reference for accepting false doctrine. Fermentation of any kind is generally seen as symbolic reference for sin.

Is the doctrine of the Bible then tainted with sin?

There is NOTHING that satan has not [FERMITED UP]. !! POISENED ALL DOCTRINE THAT WAS [PURE!] fermentation is caused from sin. (decay) And all he satan wants is for one to be inquisitive as was Eve, and he has a toe hold! Take a poll to see which has killed the most, abortion or achohol.

--Elijah

 

[LaCrum]

There are many places for Christians to fellowship - why choose a booze bar??

The bible says avoid, even, the appearance of evil. Sitting in a pub having a bible study is a joke mate. Its worse than babling in toungues during public worship time in my opinion. Sorry, I dont buy it. Not to mention the temptation for alcoholic christans who will not be able to attend, worldy music blaring out of the speakers and all manner of other potential temptations.

Do you drink alcohol during the bible study aswell?? If not why not??

We go for good beer and good food and yes, I usually share a beer with my fiancé when we go. Do you honestly think it is sinful for have a beer with dinner or a glass of wine?

How are we giving the appearance of evil? Sitting down and having fish and chips with a beer is evil? Are you saying Christians shouldn’t be allowed to go to restaurants, pubs or anywhere else that sells alcohol? The only thing that separates this place from a normal restaurant I suppose are the dart boards, but maybe the pubs where I live aren’t like the ones where you live.

There isn’t “worldly music†blaring out of speakers, or any music for that matter, and if there were an alcoholic Christian in our group we wouldn’t meet there out of respect for them. I’m not sure what “potential temptations†you speak of. We’re not getting drunk, and usually go right before or right after church. Not to mention it’s just me and my fiancé and our friend and his fiancée.

So in answer to the OP, yes, I do believe there will be my favourite raspberry beer in heaven.

 

[ChevyRodeo]

What is incorrect about it?

Drink is not food, and food is not drink otherwise we would not have two words to describe two different things, and the bible would not use two words either.

It is a sin to lie and twist the meaning of words. :D

food vs drink

one is liquid one is solid. no difference other then that.

The blood thickens

Alcohol thins your blood first and then later on Your blood thickens with the loss of water.

And brain cells are the only cells that do not reproduce!

There is recent evidence that neurons can be generated from endogenous cells after injury to the brain. Sleep repairs and reorganizes the brain; as for new brain cell development, research shows that as one educates their mind new cells form as often as the mind is actively engaged.

poison

-A substance that when introduced into a living organism, causes death or injury.
-A substance that reduces the activity of a catalyst
-An additive in a nuclear reaction that slows down a reaction by absorbing neutrons.

Its very misleading to claim alcohol is bad because its is a poison. I have pointed out that even water, can kill you because, caffeine can kill you, Vitamins can kill you. I have a friend that was a body builder, he was drinking 2 gallons of milk a day and developed vitamin D toxicity, blood in his stools, and was very ill.

Moderate consumption of red wine may decrease the risk of lung cancer in men, according to a report in the October issue of Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers and Prevention, a journal of the American Association for Cancer Research.

"An antioxidant component in red wine may be protective of lung cancer, particularly among smokers," said Chun Chao, Ph.D., a research scientist at Kaiser Permanente Department of Research and Evaluation in Pasadena, California.

 

[ChevyRodeo]

It is a sin to lie and twist the meaning of words.

Who do you think writes the dictionary? the elites of a society


DUN DUN DUN. Guess what, words are symbols. They mean something different to EVERYONE. Symbols are subjective.

vice = holding pressure physically

vice = criminal activities related to pornography

vice = substitute or next rank

vice = metal tool with movable jaw used to hold an object firmly in place

then of course you have 100 more languages with their own ways to say vice, and meanings for vice.


thats NOT a sin!

 

[Panin]

There are many places for Christians to fellowship - why choose a booze bar??

The bible says avoid, even, the appearance of evil. Sitting in a pub having a bible study is a joke mate. Its worse than babling in toungues during public worship time in my opinion. Sorry, I dont buy it. Not to mention the temptation for alcoholic christans who will not be able to attend, worldy music blaring out of the speakers and all manner of other potential temptations.

Do you drink alcohol during the bible study aswell?? If not why not??

We go for good beer and good food and yes, I usually share a beer with my fiancé when we go. Do you honestly think it is sinful for have a beer with dinner or a glass of wine?

How are we giving the appearance of evil? Sitting down and having fish and chips with a beer is evil? Are you saying Christians shouldn’t be allowed to go to restaurants, pubs or anywhere else that sells alcohol? The only thing that separates this place from a normal restaurant I suppose are the dart boards, but maybe the pubs where I live aren’t like the ones where you live.

There isn’t “worldly music†blaring out of speakers, or any music for that matter, and if there were an alcoholic Christian in our group we wouldn’t meet there out of respect for them. I’m not sure what “potential temptations†you speak of. We’re not getting drunk, and usually go right before or right after church. Not to mention it’s just me and my fiancé and our friend and his fiancée.

So in answer to the OP, yes, I do believe there will be my favourite raspberry beer in heaven.

Okay right, so its a couple of brothers getting together with girlfriends for a beer and chips after church, you made it sound like an organised church bible study (which clearly it isn't) If it was I still think the choice of a pub for a bible study has highly questionable logic behind it.

I have no issue or judgment towards a christian who can enjoy A beer with friends anywhere he chooses. I wish you well.

 

[Panin]

It is a sin to lie and twist the meaning of words.

Who do you think writes the dictionary? the elites of a society


DUN DUN DUN. Guess what, words are symbols. They mean something different to EVERYONE. Symbols are subjective.

vice = holding pressure physically

vice = criminal activities related to pornography

vice = substitute or next rank

vice = metal tool with movable jaw used to hold an object firmly in place

then of course you have 100 more languages with their own ways to say vice, and meanings for vice.


thats NOT a sin!

Hi bro, I love the word study and the origin and meanings of words stuff, it is very important and very interesting. It's a little off topic for the point I'm making though. God wrote the bible through men, He used the greek and hebrew languages because they are wonderfully discriptive languages plus they also lend themselves to the mathmatical phenomena that proves God wrote it, because the hebrew and greek letters are numbers aswell as letters.

Drink (some drink) will definately have beneficial nutirant value for the body as food will (one can drink an egg, and of course soup could be called a drink and or a food, but still drink is not food, and alcohol is not a food either. I think your heading into loopsville with that kind of reasoning.

 

[RND]

So in answer to the OP, yes, I do believe there will be my favourite raspberry beer in heaven.

So will you be bummed out to find there isn't any there?

 

[Panin]

So in answer to the OP, yes, I do believe there will be my favourite raspberry beer in heaven.

So will you be bummed out to find there isn't any there?

 

[LaCrum]

Okay right, so its a couple of brothers getting together with girlfriends for a beer and chips after church, you made it sound like an organised church bible study (which clearly it isn't) If it was I still think the choice of a pub for a bible study has highly questionable logic behind it.

Haha wait, so a Bible Study is only legitimate if it's organized by the Church? God can be praised, worshipped and studied anywhere, whether in a restuarant, someone's house, or a sanctuary. I'm hoping to organize our next focus of study after the New Year, and I think it'll be an awesome series.

So will you be bummed out to find there isn't any there?

Nope because knowing God like I do, I bet whatever his replacement is for it would be a lot better.

 

[RND]

So will you be bummed out to find there isn't any there?

Nope because knowing God like I do, I bet whatever his replacement is for it would be a lot better.

So conceding there is a possibility for replacement means there is a possibility there won't be any "beer" in heaven. Right?

 

[Panin]

Okay right, so its a couple of brothers getting together with girlfriends for a beer and chips after church, you made it sound like an organised church bible study (which clearly it isn't) If it was I still think the choice of a pub for a bible study has highly questionable logic behind it.

[quote:1liyntf7]Haha wait, so a Bible Study is only legitimate if it's organized by the Church? God can be praised, worshipped and studied anywhere, whether in a restuarant, someone's house, or a sanctuary. I'm hoping to organize our next focus of study after the New Year, and I think it'll be an awesome series.

[/quote:1liyntf7]


Um, I'm talking about where the bible study is held IE in a pub, not who organises it.

SHEESH! Blondes.

 

[Elijah674]

Okay right, so its a couple of brothers getting together with girlfriends for a beer and chips after church, you made it sound like an organised church bible study (which clearly it isn't) If it was I still think the choice of a pub for a bible study has highly questionable logic behind it.

[quote:2efv92rv]Haha wait, so a Bible Study is only legitimate if it's organized by the Church? God can be praised, worshipped and studied anywhere, whether in a restuarant, someone's house, or a sanctuary. I'm hoping to organize our next focus of study after the New Year, and I think it'll be an awesome series.

Um, I'm talking about where the bible study is held IE in a pub, not who organises it.

SHEESH! Blondes.[/quote:2efv92rv]

This thread might as well be locked also, it sounds like a bunch of Rev. 17:5 ones and their mentality.

In the news last week it told about one male being sentenced to ten years for robbing a bank. One of the witnesses said that she was sure that they were going to be killed by this guy who was a deacon in a church who told them that he was ready to go. And we are in the Bible Belt, huh?

--Elijah

 

[LaCrum]

Um, I'm talking about where the bible study is held IE in a pub, not who organises it.

SHEESH! Blondes.

I like to include God in all areas of my life, including when I go out to a pub. I’m not one of those Christians who will only compartmentalize God into certain parts of my life; He belongs in all of if.

So conceding there is a possibility for replacement means there is a possibility there won't be any "beer" in heaven. Right?

It would be foolish of me to make an absolute statement either way. The only thing I’m sure of is everything in Heaven will be far better than what we have on earth.

 

[RND]

I like to include God in all areas of my life, including when I go out to a pub. I’m not one of those Christians who will only compartmentalize God into certain parts of my life; He belongs in all of if.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a buddy that see's "God" in most every aspect of the Hollywood movies he chooses to see. So I asked him if he believes God can be seen in all movies, including pornographic movies, and he said yes. Ok, oooooook.

I've been in a few pubs in my day.....ok, a lot. In all the time I spent as a drug user and hardcore drinker I never saw the character of God displayed even once in a pub.

[quote:224zlrlz]So conceding there is a possibility for replacement means there is a possibility there won't be any "beer" in heaven. Right?

It would be foolish of me to make an absolute statement either way. [/quote:224zlrlz] Why?

The only thing I’m sure of is everything in Heaven will be far better than what we have on earth.

And in your mind does alcohol make anything better on earth? Seriously, there is no single drug in the history of mankind that has caused so much needless pain, sorrow, suffering and illness. You really think it'll be in heaven?

 

[LaCrum]

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a buddy that see's "God" in most every aspect of the Hollywood movies he chooses to see. So I asked him if he believes God can be seen in all movies, including pornographic movies, and he said yes. Ok, oooooook.

I've been in a few pubs in my day.....ok, a lot. In all the time I spent as a drug user and hardcore drinker I never saw the character of God displayed even once in a pub.

Are you trying to compare going out to a pub to have a beer and food with some friends to watching a porno? I don’t like to do things that I would feel like I couldn’t include God in. If I’m not convicted by the Holy Spirit and feel it is okay to go to a pub, why can’t my focus while I’m there be God? Why can I only study about God in church, or my room, or a classroom? Unless you think it’s sinful to go to a pub to have a drink and some food, then there’s no real point to this conversation.

Why?

Well by the simple fact that I’ve never been to Heaven obviously.

And in your mind does alcohol make anything better on earth? Seriously, there is no single drug in the history of mankind that has caused so much needless pain, sorrow, suffering and illness. You really think it'll be in heaven?

Actually certain wines can bring out the flavours of food better, so yes, I would say alcohol does make some things better on earth in reference to cooking and food.

Alcohol in itself is not evil, as it is an inanimate object. It’s what people do with where the evil arises. Not only that, Jesus uses an illustration of a vine dresser tending to his vineyard in parallel to how God tends and takes care of the Church body.

If there was a wide-spread problem of people smashing other people’s heads in with two by fours, would you make the same argument that there will be no two by fours in Heaven simply because people can’t seem to behave themselves with it?

If there is alcohol in Heaven, I won’t be surprised, lets put it that way.

 

[LaCrum]

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a buddy that see's "God" in most every aspect of the Hollywood movies he chooses to see. So I asked him if he believes God can be seen in all movies, including pornographic movies, and he said yes. Ok, oooooook.

I've been in a few pubs in my day.....ok, a lot. In all the time I spent as a drug user and hardcore drinker I never saw the character of God displayed even once in a pub.

Are you trying to compare going out to a pub to have a beer and food with some friends to watching a porno? I don’t like to do things that I would feel like I couldn’t include God in. If I’m not convicted by the Holy Spirit and feel it is okay to go to a pub, why can’t my focus while I’m there be God? Why can I only study about God in church, or my room, or a classroom?

[quote:2umb0cm2]Why?

Well by the simple fact that I’ve never been to Heaven obviously.

And in your mind does alcohol make anything better on earth? Seriously, there is no single drug in the history of mankind that has caused so much needless pain, sorrow, suffering and illness. You really think it'll be in heaven?

Actually certain wines can bring out the flavours of food better, so yes, I would say alcohol does make some things better on earth in reference to cooking and food.

Alcohol in itself is not evil, as it is an inanimate object. It’s what people do with where the evil arises. Not only that, Jesus uses an illustration of a vine dresser tending to his vineyard in parallel to how God tends and takes care of the Church body.

If there was a wide-spread problem of people smashing other people’s heads in with two by fours, would you make the same argument that there will be no two by fours in Heaven simply because people can’t seem to behave themselves with it?

If there is alcohol in Heaven, I won’t be surprised, lets put it that way.[/quote:2umb0cm2]

 

[(THE)]

This reminds me of a conversation I had with a buddy that see's "God" in most every aspect of the Hollywood movies he chooses to see. So I asked him if he believes God can be seen in all movies, including pornographic movies, and he said yes. Ok, oooooook.

I've been in a few pubs in my day.....ok, a lot. In all the time I spent as a drug user and hardcore drinker I never saw the character of God displayed even once in a pub.

Are you trying to compare going out to a pub to have a beer and food with some friends to watching a porno? I don’t like to do things that I would feel like I couldn’t include God in. If I’m not convicted by the Holy Spirit and feel it is okay to go to a pub, why can’t my focus while I’m there be God? Why can I only study about God in church, or my room, or a classroom? Unless you think it’s sinful to go to a pub to have a drink and some food, then there’s no real point to this conversation.

[quote:3ptqdogp]Why?

Well by the simple fact that I’ve never been to Heaven obviously.

And in your mind does alcohol make anything better on earth? Seriously, there is no single drug in the history of mankind that has caused so much needless pain, sorrow, suffering and illness. You really think it'll be in heaven?

Actually certain wines can bring out the flavours of food better, so yes, I would say alcohol does make some things better on earth in reference to cooking and food.

Alcohol in itself is not evil, as it is an inanimate object. It’s what people do with where the evil arises. Not only that, Jesus uses an illustration of a vine dresser tending to his vineyard in parallel to how God tends and takes care of the Church body.

If there was a wide-spread problem of people smashing other people’s heads in with two by fours, would you make the same argument that there will be no two by fours in Heaven simply because people can’t seem to behave themselves with it?

If there is alcohol in Heaven, I won’t be surprised, lets put it that way.[/quote:3ptqdogp]

Im not sure the wine as we know it today would have any effect on a spiritual body,,,seeing how no flesh and blood enters the kingdom,,,,,but im wit ya on the point if there is wine ,,I wouldnt be surprised,,,it may be alittle different then we know it today........

I am a Chicago Bear fan,,,,,,needless to say I had a beer or 2 this season.........

 

[RND]

Are you trying to compare going out to a pub to have a beer and food with some friends to watching a porno?

In a word? Yes.

I don’t like to do things that I would feel like I couldn’t include God in. If I’m not convicted by the Holy Spirit and feel it is okay to go to a pub, why can’t my focus while I’m there be God? Why can I only study about God in church, or my room, or a classroom? Unless you think it’s sinful to go to a pub to have a drink and some food, then there’s no real point to this conversation.

I think it is extremely "presumptuous" to believe one can walk into a pub, which is really Satan's playground, and seriously expect to learn anything from the Holy Scriptures in such an environment.

When one sets themselves down to learn from and study the Bible the first thing they should do is ask our Heavenly Father to cause His Holy Spirit to abide with them; to open the heart and mind to learning and understanding more about the His word.

Are the constant noise, language and distractions of a pub a conducive environment for learning anything other than how to throw up on someone else's shoes? I mean seriously, if you were studying for a very important college exam would a quite setting like a library or a noisy setting like a pub be more conducive to studying?

Well by the simple fact that I’ve never been to Heaven obviously.

So you can't deduce from studying scripture that the chance of alcohol in heaven is slim and none? Maybe you should begin studying in a different environment.

[quote:24tzt5h4]And in your mind does alcohol make anything better on earth? Seriously, there is no single drug in the history of mankind that has caused so much needless pain, sorrow, suffering and illness. You really think it'll be in heaven?

Actually certain wines can bring out the flavours of food better, so yes, I would say alcohol does make some things better on earth in reference to cooking and food.[/quote:24tzt5h4] Hmmm, I wonder how many people that thought the same thing decided to get behind the wheel of a car after drinking and changed their life, or someone else forever?

Alcohol in itself is not evil, as it is an inanimate object.

It animates those that drink it however.

It’s what people do with where the evil arises. Not only that, Jesus uses an illustration of a vine dresser tending to his vineyard in parallel to how God tends and takes care of the Church body.

Aren't grapes also eaten and drank as simple juice? Where do you get the idea that Jesus is referring to wine in this parable?

If there was a wide-spread problem of people smashing other people’s heads in with two by fours, would you make the same argument that there will be no two by fours in Heaven simply because people can’t seem to behave themselves with it?

This is usually only a problem displayed by those that drink alcohol.

If there is alcohol in Heaven, I won’t be surprised, lets put it that way.

Trust me. You won't find a drop.

 

[RND]

From an Adventist group on LinkedIn:

An article on the Mayo Clinic website, a non-Adventist health institution, states that red and purple grape juices, especially dark purple Concord grapes offer the same benefits of red wine, these benefits include: reducing risks of blood clots; reducing bad cholesterol; preventing damage to the hearts blood vessels and maintaining healthy blood pressure. Bottom line, stay away from the red wine and enjoy the benefits of Concord grape juice.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/food-a ... on/AN00576