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Allah is not the God of Abraham

suhaiil said:
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There are two facts that the word"Allah" refers to the God of Abraham. Historical Facts and the Present Facts.

Historical Facts: (Reproduced from my previous post)

In 7th century, All the descendants of Abraham, living in modern Israel and Arabia, knew the personal name of God: Allah. Before Islam (7th century), descendants of Ishmael were using this name.Jews of Medina (descendants of Isaac) were using the word Allah for God. The Christians of Nazareth also spoke the word Allah for God.

Current Facts: (Ref: Wikipedia)

Arabia
Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "Godâ€. The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.(Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for 'God'.) Arab Christians for example use terms All?h al-ab (meaning God the Father, All?h al-ibn mean God the Son, and All?h al-r? al-quds (meaning God the Holy Spirit ).

Indonesia and Malaysia
Christians in Indonesia and Malaysia also use Allah to refer to God in the Malay language and Indonesian Language

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Now my question to mdo757 is:

If Allah is not the God of Abraham, are Christians of Arabian and Indonesian origins worshiping the god of pagans?

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Allah is the Arabic word for god. That is ALL IT IS. Ishmael is a muslim tradition and not based on facts. It is one of those wishful thinking thingies.

Since Arabic has just one word for god, what would Arabic speaking people use?
 
Ahuli said:
suhaiil said:
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There are two facts that the word"Allah" refers to the God of Abraham. Historical Facts and the Present Facts.

Historical Facts: (Reproduced from my previous post)

In 7th century, All the descendants of Abraham, living in modern Israel and Arabia, knew the personal name of God: Allah. Before Islam (7th century), descendants of Ishmael were using this name.Jews of Medina (descendants of Isaac) were using the word Allah for God. The Christians of Nazareth also spoke the word Allah for God.

Current Facts: (Ref: Wikipedia)

Arabia
Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "Godâ€. The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.(Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for 'God'.) Arab Christians for example use terms All?h al-ab (meaning God the Father, All?h al-ibn mean God the Son, and All?h al-r? al-quds (meaning God the Holy Spirit ).

Indonesia and Malaysia
Christians in Indonesia and Malaysia also use Allah to refer to God in the Malay language and Indonesian Language

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Now my question to mdo757 is:

If Allah is not the God of Abraham, are Christians of Arabian and Indonesian origins worshiping the god of pagans?

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Allah is the Arabic word for god. That is ALL IT IS. Ishmael is a muslim tradition and not based on facts. It is one of those wishful thinking thingies.

Since Arabic has just one word for god, what would Arabic speaking people use? Your contentions are sly and appropriate for muslim reasoning. Expected, in other words. :D
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mdo757 said:
suhaiil said:
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mdo757

Let’s summarize the discussion:

- Before Islam, pagan/polytheists of Mecca had attached false ilahs (gods) to the real God – Allah. That’s why the First Commandment of Islam says:

THERE IS NO ILAH (DEITY) EXCEPT ALLAH

- The unseen God of us has names like God-the-Almighty / Allah /Yahwah/Eloh and so on. So all names refer to the same God – the God of Abraham, the Creator of everything.

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May God gives us the wisdom!

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Here is the problem Suhaiil, Allah was a Pagan god, and worshipped as such before the time of Islam. The Arabs before the days of Mohammad knew the God of Abraham as Yahwah; but they turned their backs against Him because He would not curse the Jews for them. The name Yahwah is written on the Moabite stone as proof, that the Arabs knew God by His personal name Yahwah. It's written in stone! literally
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That is too true to fit into his spin. How sad they don't see it.
 
Ahuli said:
That is too true to fit into his spin. How sad they don't see it.
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I hope that Muslims understand that no one wants them to stop believing in the God of Abraham, but to make a change and do the right thing. How can you honor and worship the true God if you are following Mohammad and Allah?
 
suhaiil said:
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mdo757

Did Jesus himself use the original name of God"YAHWAH"? Please quote from the scripture. Thanks.

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Yes he did in a quote, but the name Yahwah has been removed from scripture.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: [The LORD / Yahwah] our [God / Elohiym], [the LORD / Yahwah] is [one / only.]

Mark 12:29
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, [the Lord / Yahwah] our [God / Elohiym], [the Lord / Yahwah] is [one / only.]

Here in Corinthians it is explained what it means being one. It is all about unity of Christ and our spirits with Yahwah's Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:17
But he who unites himself with [the Lord / Yahwah] is one with Him in spirit.

And here again in these verses.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.

John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name [Yah] the name you gave me [Yahshua] so that they may be one as we are one.

John 17:22
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:

1 Corinthians 10:17
Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
 
Vic C. said:
You HAVE to cut back on the font size. :help
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When you get the forum fixed we can delete this thread and start a new one. But for now I can't even find the advanced editor. Oh, I found the advanced editor. Well, I found the button anyway. No tools.
 
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testvic said:
It's right here:

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Yes I know what it looks like. Just can't get there. Besides that, you can not edit post that are more than 3 days old. Here is what my Advance Editor says: Delete Post
Select the appropriate options and then click the Delete button.
Delete this post in the following manner:

Delete Message . I found the problem. You have to use this setting:
Miscellaneous Options


Message Editor Interface:
  • Enhanced Interface - Full WYSIWYG Editing
 
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Close this thread.
JudaicChristian said:
Christians should not use the name Allah for God because that name belongs to a Pagan god. Allah is the short form of Alilah: Al / il / ah, means [The god ascends.] Alilah was a Pagan sun god. Alilah is the phase of the morning sun. Because Mohammad was not a prophet, he did not know the name of the God of Abraham. Gods personal name is written on an ancient piece of stone found in Arabia. There was a time when the Arabs knew God’s name as Yahwah. But that was before God’s name was cursed by the Arabs, and not to ever again be spoken. The Arabs began worshiping other gods when Yahwah would not curse the Jews for them.
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