Almighty God's Sacred Calendar?

[R7-12]

Hi vic,

I was going to address your response to my earlier questions concerning God's calendar, and was certain you had posted here but now your post seems to have disappeared. ???

If I remember correctly, in response to the question, "which calendar" your answer was "the Hebrew calendar."

If you are still interested in a discussion, I would like to ask you, "which one."

R7-12

 

[unred typo]

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

3:19Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.

Question: are you advocating observing days, and months, and times, and years? :o

 

[R7-12]

unred typo,

This is not a thread for posting antinomiam arguments. We've heard them all before.

Please read the first page. Answer the questions correctly if you are able.

Peace,
R7-12

 

[tim-from-pa]

Why so apprehensive fellow forum members?

Acts 2 verse 1 speaks of the Feast of Weeks also called the Day of Pentecost in terms of the precise time it is to be observed - 9:00 am ("when the Day of Pentecost had fully come"), exactly 50 days to the minute from the Wave Sheaf of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Many people from all over the region had gathered for this annual Feast including many Gentile believers. This occured 50 days after Christ's death and resurrection.

So it must still apply to God's people today. If not, why not?

R7-12

Yes, it does apply to God's people today.

As for the pragmatic reasons Christians do not adhere to them may be found in Isaiah 62:2: And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. Again, the weekly sabbath was a covenant between the Lord as His people. If the sabbath was no longer kept, that identifying mark was gone. This is in agreement with the way God divorced Israel, for a wife that no longer has a husband oftentimes exists as if a separate person disassociated with her former husband. (Jeremiah 3:8). But according to Christ, was was free to remarry if the husband died hence the hold husband (the covenant of the law) was dead thru Christ and the new resurrected Christ is his new creation in grace.

now, the Jews were never divorced and retained the old ways, hence the term Jesus used of "old wineskins".

 

[John the Baptist]

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise.

3:19Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.

Question: are you advocating observing days, and months, and times, and years? :o

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Typo? :fadein: ('i' can't get the spell check to work!

Anyway, this is starting to sound like a canned church service. You go get seated, and listen, period! You know, you are out of order, or you cannot rock the boat, and the wheat & tares grow together. I am the boss, I am the teacher! This is my thread! But of course the Genesis 4:7 ones could talk to Vic about the calender days, huh? But we must be a captive audience! Even when questions are asked, no answer returns except the jesuit tactic of.. I have answered the question, or who knows what follows? 2 Corinthians 4:2

You can have this 'bird' (s) [postings]! But I suspect that we [must] continue on with warnings as Paul in his INSPIRED WORDS.. that you posted up which are right on target gave us?

Thanks for being on this 'threads target'. Some 'poster' & thread starters have very small spiritual minds as Hebrews 5 tells us, huh?

--John

 

[unred typo]

OK, I’ll play.
R7-12 wrote:It seems obvious from this text that Moses and Aaron are here being instructed in the calendar of God Himself. Would this calendar ever become obsolete or in need of replacement?

Yes, obsolete as far as the church is concerned. (Acts 15 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment: …For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.) And Gal 4 where we are warned not to observe days, and months, and times, and years. This is in regard to Jewish ceremonial laws, not against keeping track of the times and seasons. I would observe the Sabbath day (Saturday) as a day of rest and reflection, not for stoning violators, however, since God instituted it at the creation.

R7-12 wrote:Which calendar is this based on?

The one given by God and used by the Jews and the wise men?

R7-12 wrote:According to the law of God, the Feast of Unleavened Bread which begins on Passover evening and thus is often called Passover, is to be observed in the first month at the end of the fourteenth/beginning of the fifteenth day, so what calendar was Christ observing in Luke?

Scroll up.

R7-12 wrote:So what calendar is this and are we to know it and follow if now?

Sure. We can do that. But let’s be practical. In the real world, we‘ll have to translate it into English. “On the second Sabbath, in the month of Nisan, there will be a bake sale at the school†isn’t going to fly. Knowing it and following it don’t bother me but I don’t think we are required to observe the new moons and holy days. Those were for his chosen people to prepare them for those foretold coming events that have passed now. (The calendar events were forshadowings of the coming Messiah and rememberances of the past promises kept.)

R7-12 wrote:Who can deny that God has a calendar and a system of worship based on it that will continue to be observed well into the millennium and even beyond?
Not me, but not by me. I‘m a Gentile believer. :wink:

R7-12 wrote:Should not those now who claim to be God’s servants know this calendar and follow it and the appointed Feasts and Holy Days associated with it as did all the servants of God?
Scroll up. (For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.) I didn’t see a command to observe the old calendar feasts, holy days and other ceremonies given to the Jews on there. Did you? :roll:

Now that I answered your questions, how about answering mine?
Question: Are you advocating observing days, and months, and times, and years?

 

[R7-12]

unred typo said,

OK, I’ll play.

If the word of God is a game to you, playing with it will only get you burned.

I take it very seriously so you’ll have to play by yourself or with someone else.

Would this calendar ever become obsolete or in need of replacement?

Yes, obsolete as far as the church is concerned…

This is in regard to Jewish ceremonial laws, not against keeping track of the times and seasons. I would observe the Sabbath day (Saturday) as a day of rest and reflection, not for stoning violators, however, since God instituted it at the creation.

If the Calendar of God is obsolete as far as the body of Christ is concerned, then Scripture is wrong,

And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles (Zechariah 14:16-19).

“For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,†says the LORD, “So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,†says the LORD. 24 “And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.†(Isaiah 66:22-24).

unred typo said,

R7-12 wrote:So what calendar is this and are we to know it and follow if now?

Sure. We can do that. But let’s be practical. In the real world, we‘ll have to translate it into English. “On the second Sabbath, in the month of Nisan, there will be a bake sale at the school†isn’t going to fly. Knowing it and following it don’t bother me but I don’t think we are required to observe the new moons and holy days. Those were for his chosen people to prepare them for those foretold coming events that have past now.

Your comments are a mockery to the written word and nothing more than your opinion. I’m only interested in truth.

unred typo said,

R7-12 wrote:Who can deny that God has a calendar and a system of worship based on it that will continue to be observed well into the millennium and even beyond?
Not me, but not by me. I‘m a Gentile believer. :wink:

Irrelevant. There is only one God, one Law and one Lawgiver who is able to save and to destroy. Gentiles are either grafted into the body or they remain outside, as it is written.

Your responses concerning the calendar are also incorrect. The calendar of God was not given to the tribe of Judah only, but to all Israel and hence all of the seed of Abraham – that is, those who are in Christ (Galatians 3:29). This allows inclusion from all of God’s human creation.

unred typo said,

R7-12 wrote:Should not those now who claim to be God’s servants know this calendar and follow it and the appointed Feasts and Holy Days associated with it as did all the servants of God?
Scroll up. (For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.) I didn’t see a command to observe the old calendar feasts, holy days and other ceremonies given to the Jews on there. Did you? :roll:

Are you stating that people such as yourself who assume or are in fact Gentiles, who wish to follow God need only to observe a couple things related to the flesh?

So how often are you tempted to eat meat from an animal that you know has been strangled?

How often are you tempted to eat meat that you know has been offered to an idol?

How often are you tempted to eat blood?

Is fornication a legitimate temptation and thus something to abstain from?

unred typo said,

Now that I answered your questions, how about answering mine?
Question: Are you advocating observing days, and months, and times, and years?

The truth is you haven’t answered any questions, you have only responded to them.

If you are only interested in playing around, don’t bother responding.

R7-12

 

[tim-from-pa]

I wish that Christians, or so-called Christians, would at least see the prophecy in the feast days. The feast days were the shadows of things to come as Paul taught. The substance of that shadow is Christ. But by at least being aware of the feast days and worshipping in accordance with what they represent (legalistically following them is no longer required) one can see a rich array of prophecy.

The spring feast days are past, as Jesus died in the middle of the week to fulfill Passover, interred the start of the next day for Unleavened Bread, and arose 72 hours later to fulfill the feast of Firstfruits. The Spirit came on Pentecost.

The autumn ones are yet to be fulfilled, and Jesus will come when they are taking place.

God's Word is written in the Bible, in Stone, and the stars. In this latter time, he brought us his Word by His own dear Son.

 

[unred typo]

R7-12 wrote:

If the word of God is a game to you, playing with it will only get you burned.
I take it very seriously so you’ll have to play by yourself or with someone else.

Many a truth is said in jest. :-D
I’m sorry you didn’t appreciate my answers, but maybe I’m better at questions. When do the events in Zechariah 14:16-19 and Isaiah 66:22-24 take place?

R7-12 wrote:

Your comments are a mockery to the written word and nothing more than your opinion. I’m only interested in truth.

I’m not mocking the Word at all. I am a little amused by your attitude, however. You think you can wrap your opinion in God’s word and put on your serious face and get away with teaching error? I don’t think so…but that’s just my opinion. :wink: You’re interested in truth? Read all of Galatians 3, especially the part I quote below:
6Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 7Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
So you see the law was done away in Christ who replaced the law with the words of life; love one another, forgive and you will be forgiven, turn the other cheek, etc. Those who have faith in the new and living way, who follow the law of Christ, are not under the law of Moses. Personally, if you want to get all involved with those rituals and holy days, knock yourself out. I prefer to go by Act 15:28-29 when it comes to rituals and other Jewish ceremonial events:
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.

R7-12 wrote:

Are you stating that people such as yourself who assume or are in fact Gentiles, who wish to follow God need only to observe a couple things related to the flesh?

Yup. Love and fear God. Love one another as I have loved you. Forgive as you have been forgiven. That about covers it.

R7-12 wrote:

So how often are you tempted to eat meat from an animal that you know has been strangled?

Not ever to my knowledge.

R7-12 wrote:

How often are you tempted to eat meat that you know has been offered to an idol?

About as often as I am tempted to eat strangled animals.

R7-12 wrote:

How often are you tempted to eat blood?

About as often as I am tempted to eat meat offered to an idol.

R7-12 wrote:

Is fornication a legitimate temptation and thus something to abstain from?

Sure it is. Absolutely.

R7-12 wrote:

The truth is you haven’t answered any questions, you have only responded to them.

The truth is you avoided answering or responding to my question altogether. No hard feelings though. I‘ll just repeat it.

Question: Are you advocating observing days, and months, and times, and years?


R7-12 wrote:

If you are only interested in playing around, don’t bother responding.

You wish. I’m as serious as you are, I just don‘t have a bur in my shorts. Lighten up. This is a discussion board, not the inquisition.:wink:

 

[John the Baptist]

The truth is you avoided answering or responding to my question altogether. No hard feelings though. I‘ll just repeat it.

Question: Are you advocating observing days, and months, and times, and years?


R7-12 wrote: Quote:
If you are only interested in playing around, don’t bother responding.

You wish. I’m as serious as you are, I just don‘t have a bur in my shorts. Lighten up. This is a discussion board, not the inquisition.

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This truth is also seen all through canned 'captive' audiences. You sit, and I will preach & teach, huh?

But, you are correct, these posts regard no ones questions, the mind of some are to be kept censored and CLOSED.
And a question for you, who is behind this procedure? Personally, I would rather discuse with you! :wink:

Revelation 3:16-17 finds these ones 'blind' & 'naked'. But, even these ones are not these 'birds' (Revelation 18:2 Galatians 1:6-9) who hardly ever respond, huh? 1 Peter 3:15

---John

 

[tim-from-pa]

You wish. I’m as serious as you are, I just don‘t have a bur in my shorts. Lighten up. This is a discussion board, not the inquisition.

Once the doctor told me I had ICLDSM (Impacted Coleoptera at the lower digestive sphincter muscle). Took big tongs and removed it. :-D

I'm still very serious about my faith as well, although I must admit since its removal, I have 2-3 rum and cokes once in awhile and love looking at pics of Jayne Mansfield. Anyway..... back to the subject at hand. :o

 

[unred typo]

John the Baptist wrote:

This truth is also seen all through canned 'captive' audiences. You sit, and I will preach & teach, huh?

But, you are correct, these posts regard no ones questions, the mind of some are to be kept censored and CLOSED. :
And a question for you, who is behind this procedure? Personally, I would rather discuse with you! :wink:

Revelation 3:16-17 finds these ones 'blind' & 'naked'. : But, even these ones are not these 'birds' (Revelation 18:2 Galatians 1:6-9) who hardly ever respond, huh? 1 Peter 3:15

I think I unintentionally missed responding to your post to me, too, John. Yes, the truth is not always understood or welcomed when it is. I seem to find myself between a rock and a hard spot often here but neither is the rock of Christ. One side advocating putting the new wine into the old skins Matthew 9:17 and the other side dumping it on the ground.Titus 1:16 Is it so hard to see that following Christ’s commands to love and forgive and walk in humility and faith is far superior to the law of rituals and rites? Galatians 3 That was the thing that the Pharisees stumbled at. Matthew 23:23 Is it so hard to see that a person is either following Christ to eternal life or following Sin to hell? Romans 6:16 Both sides seem to confuse works of faith with works of law though, that’s one thing they can agree on, except one group wants to do the works of the law and the other group wants to abolish the works of faith. :roll: Ironic, isn’t it?

 

[unred typo]

Tim_from_pa wrote:

I wish that Christians, or so-called Christians, would at least see the prophecy in the feast days. The feast days were the shadows of things to come as Paul taught. The substance of that shadow is Christ. But by at least being aware of the feast days and worshipping in accordance with what they represent (legalistically following them is no longer required) one can see a rich array of prophecy.

I agree with what you’re saying here. Knowing the calendar and using it for time keeping or looking into upcoming prophesied events are legitimate uses but actually using it wouldn’t be practical today any more than using terms like denarius and farthing. I don’t think we are required to observe the new moons, sabbaticals and holy days like some seem to be advocating here. I agree those were for his chosen people to prepare them for those foretold coming events that have passed now. The calendar events were foreshadowings of the coming Messiah and remembrances of the past promises kept. These were part of the Old covenant that was between the Israelites and God, so not part of what we should be following as the bride of Christ.

Tim_from_pa wrote:

Once the doctor told me I had ICLDSM (Impacted Coleoptera at the lower digestive sphincter muscle). Took big tongs and removed it. :grin:

I'm still very serious about my faith as well, although I must admit since its removal, I have 2-3 rum and cokes once in awhile and love looking at pics of Jayne Mansfield. Anyway..... back to the subject at hand.

LOL. Sorry, that just sounds less than serious but probably, like Jane, a 10, but in *Ouchy.*
A little wine for your stomach sake or to make the heart merry probably isn’t going to hurt you but those pics of dear Jane are gonna get you in the end. Lust was Samson’s downfall and David and Solomon and Amnon and many a lad since. It’s best not to foster it, especially on R7-12’s most stringent thread. :wink:

 

[tim-from-pa]

Ah, Jayne's OK. I consider her part of the family, and check up on her grave at times. She don't say anything to me, though. I'm way too old for lust. :-D

 

[John the Baptist]

John the Baptist wrote:

This truth is also seen all through canned 'captive' audiences. You sit, and I will preach & teach, huh?

But, you are correct, these posts regard no ones questions, the mind of some are to be kept censored and CLOSED. :
And a question for you, who is behind this procedure? Personally, I would rather discuse with you! :wink:

Revelation 3:16-17 finds these ones 'blind' & 'naked'. : But, even these ones are not these 'birds' (Revelation 18:2 Galatians 1:6-9) who hardly ever respond, huh? 1 Peter 3:15

I think I unintentionally missed responding to your post to me, too, John. Yes, the truth is not always understood or welcomed when it is. I seem to find myself between a rock and a hard spot often here but neither is the rock of Christ. One side advocating putting the new wine into the old skins Matthew 9:17 and the other side dumping it on the ground.Titus 1:16 Is it so hard to see that following Christ’s commands to love and forgive and walk in humility and faith is far superior to the law of rituals and rites? Galatians 3 That was the thing that the Pharisees stumbled at. Matthew 23:23 Is it so hard to see that a person is either following Christ to eternal life or following Sin to hell? Romans 6:16 Both sides seem to confuse works of faith with works of law though, that’s one thing they can agree on, except one group wants to do the works of the law and the other group wants to abolish the works of faith. :roll: Ironic, isn’t it?

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Typo, I had even heard it stated that the ten Covenant ones that God had written, also had the ones Moses had written on the other side. (by one poster)

But, the thing is, when one just picks & chooses, what ones do you choose? Is there one any better that the first required one of killing a lamb?? Cain's calender was just a little early it would seem by reading some postings? In other words, that sacrifice is still required or never was to start with.

And Paul made it clear in Galatins 3:19 that these were added ones that would be finished when Christ died. And sure, we even see others trying to void out the eternal covenant that the Godheead wrote. And a calendar is the thread, huh?

I am seeing that there are several seemingly traveling the boards together now. Catholics, J.W.'s & the feast ones. But that is not as bad as the ones that just will not respond up front like an undercover agent, & talking like they are politicing for the administrative job, huh? (watch out Vic! :wink

Anyhow, perhaps we do not agree on all, but it is conforting to have your postings jump up every now & then.

---John

 

[unred typo]

John the Baptist wrote: But, the thing is, when one just picks & chooses, what ones do you choose? Is there one any better that the first required one of killing a lamb?? Cain's calender was just a little early it would seem by reading some postings? In other words, that sacrifice is still required or never was to start with.

Good point.

And Paul made it clear in Galatins 3:19 that these were added ones that would be finished when Christ died. And sure, we even see others trying to void out the eternal covenant that the Godheead wrote. And a calendar is the thread, huh? [/quote]
Yes, it seems a calendar is the thread but only as long as you don’t color off the pages.

I am seeing that there are several seemingly traveling the boards together now. Catholics, J.W.'s & the feast ones. But that is not as bad as the ones that just will not respond up front like an undercover agent, & talking like they are politicing for the administrative job, huh? (watch out Vic! :wink:

Anyhow, perhaps we do not agree on all, but it is conforting to have your postings jump up every now & then.

---John

Thanks. Nice to see you too, John. I think we could agree on many things but we all see through a glass darkly now, I suppose. Besides that, we are like the blind men examining an elephant. We tend to magnify the part we have our hands on. It will be great when all we who love God and follow Christ come to the unity of the Spirit.
:angel:

 

[R7-12]

[quote="R7-12":5ff5d]
Are you stating that people such as yourself who assume or are in fact Gentiles, who wish to follow God need only to observe a couple things related to the flesh?

Yup. Love and fear God. Love one another as I have loved you. Forgive as you have been forgiven. That about covers it.

[/quote:5ff5d]

Love God?
The Bible says the way to love God is to obey His commands. It is written,

Therefore know that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments (Deut. 7:9).

Therefore you shall love the LORD your God, and keep His charge, His statutes, His judgments, and His commandments always (Deut. 11:1).

And it shall be that if you earnestly obey My commandments which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul, 14 ‘then I will give you the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the latter rain, (Deut. 11:13-14b).

“See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 “in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess (Deut. 30:15-16).

But take careful heed to do the commandment and the law which Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways, to keep His commandments, to hold fast to Him, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul (Joshua 22:5).

And I said: “I pray, LORD God of heaven, O great and awesome God, You who keep Your covenant and mercy with those who love You and observe Your commandments (Neh. 1:5).

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome (1 John 5:2-3).

Fear God?
The Bible says the way to fear God is to obey His commands. It is written,

Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever! (Deut. 5:29).

that you may fear the LORD your God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, you and your son and your grandson, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged (Deut. 6:2).

Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him (Deut. 8:6).

You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice, and you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him (Deut. 13:4).

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever (Psalm 110:11).

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all (Ecc. 12:13).

Love one another as I have loved you?
The Bible says this commandment basically summarizes the point behind the last six commandments in the law, and living by it fulfills the requirement to love our fellow man,

This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14 “You are My friends if you do whatever I command you (John 15:12-14).

Jesus Christ said,
“If you love Me, keep My commandments" (John 14:15).

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome (1 John 5:2).

Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,†“You shall not murder,†“You shall not steal,†“You shall not bear false witness,†“You shall not covet,†and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.†10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law (Romans 13:8-10).

For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another (1 John 3:11).

And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it (2 John 5-6).

Forgive as you have been forgiven?
Another important concept involving the divine law of Almighty God.

The judgment of God is by the law. He is the lawgiver and judge and therefore to judge another is to breach the law (James 4:12). He who condemns another speaks evil of his brother and therefore speaks evil of the law. He who speaks evil of the law judges the law. But if you judge the law you are not a doer of the law but a judge over it, as it is written (James 4:11). Therefore we are not to judge one another nor condemn one another lest we find ourselves sinners refusing to repent because of self-righteousness. We must forgive one another so that we do not hold someone to the penalty of the law lest we also be held by the same law according to our method of judgment. That’s why mercy triumphs over judgment (James 2:13) and mercy along with faith are part of the weightier matters of the law of God (Matthew 23:23).

Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven (Luke 6:36).

That about covers it.

Yes that covers the basic principles behind the law of God which reflects the love of God and the kind of love we are to have towards Him and towards our fellow man.

Sounds to me like you wish to love God with all your heart, and mind, and life, and strength, just as it is written – by obeying His voice and keeping His commandments.

That includes much more than a couple of commandments concerning strangled animals and blood which you claim to never encounter or have to worry about except for the commandment to not commit adultery.

So which is it? - All of the above, or just the seventh commandment that you must endeavor to keep in order to do what is pleasing to Almighty God?

R7-12

 

[R7-12]

tim_from_pa,

You said,

Yes, it does apply to God's people today.

As for the pragmatic reasons Christians do not adhere to them may be found in Isaiah 62:2: And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. Again, the weekly sabbath was a covenant between the Lord as His people. If the sabbath was no longer kept, that identifying mark was gone. This is in agreement with the way God divorced Israel, for a wife that no longer has a husband oftentimes exists as if a separate person disassociated with her former husband. (Jeremiah 3:8). But according to Christ, was was free to remarry if the husband died hence the hold husband (the covenant of the law) was dead thru Christ and the new resurrected Christ is his new creation in grace.

now, the Jews were never divorced and retained the old ways, hence the term Jesus used of "old wineskins".

First you agree the Calendar of God applies to God’s people today and then declare that for pragmatic reasons, Christian do not adhere to them. Isaiah 62:2 says nothing about Gentiles not obeying God’s commands, but rather, it says He shall be called by a new name and they will see God’s righteousness.

You said,

If the sabbath was no longer kept, that identifying mark was gone.

Well the Sabbath has always been kept by the faithful servants of God, including the New Moons, from the very beginning to this very day and beyond, as it says in Isaiah 66:22-24. The Feasts also will continue to be kept from Zechariah 14:16-19.

God divorced physical Israel but not the seed of Abraham who by faith are the Israel of God by His spirit (Galatians 3:29).

Jesus Christ, the husband of the body, and head of the church, will enforce the laws of God including the Holy Days, to the point of starvation as it is written concerning the Feast of Tabernacles in Zechariah 14:16-19.

Keeping the Holy Days at the correct times requires the Calendar of God.

Near the end, the tents of Judah will be saved first, they too will being restored to the proper worship of the one true God along with all the children of God (Zechariah 12:7).

R7-12

 

[R7-12]

unred typo,

You saked,

Question: Are you advocating observing days, and months, and times, and years?

No.

Look at the entire sequence. Consider who is being spoken to. Look at the context and follow the train of thought. If you actively study the text, you might then begin to see what is being referred to here instead of just assuming you know what it is.

But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years (Galatians 4:8-10, NKJV).

R7-12

 

[unred typo]

R7-12 wrote:

Yes that covers the basic principles behind the law of God which reflects the love of God and the kind of love we are to have towards Him and towards our fellow man.

Sounds to me like you wish to love God with all your heart, and mind, and life, and strength, just as it is written – by obeying His voice and keeping His commandments.

That includes much more than a couple of commandments concerning strangled animals and blood which you claim to never encounter or have to worry about except for the commandment to not commit adultery.
So which is it? - All of the above, or just the seventh commandment that you must endeavor to keep in order to do what is pleasing to Almighty God?

Glad you asked, R7-12, we do need to bring these things out.
Matthew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Here are the do’s:
Exactly what the Lord said. As you have noted, Jesus boiled the law down to one single precept with a new twist: Here it is new:
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
John 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


It was the essence of the gospel message in Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. The disciples taught it as they were told to:

1 Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous

1 John 3:11
For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1John 4: 13 We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

Here it is old: 2 John 1:5
And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

Finally taught by Paul, one born out of due season:
To the Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

To the Galatians 5:13
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

To the Ephesians 4:2
With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

To the 1 Thessalonians 3:12
And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:

To the Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works

Those are the do’s
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock…

Then there are the don’ts:

In regard to Jewish rites and rituals, it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you (Gentiles) no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.

Those are the ‘don’ts’. Not like the Pharisees in Matthew 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers, when the disciples decided the laws governing the new church, they chose to keep just these few things. Hurray! Just like their master, their yoke was easy and their burden light. You could do more but if you did you were willingly putting yourself under an unnecessary burden, and are then obliged to keep the whole law.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

This isn’t the first time the church had this discussion either. This thread is like a repeat of the whole dissention in Acts 15:

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

And that shut them up, except James, who wanted to spell it out : (what a kidder, heh heh, not unlike our dear R7-12 :wink:

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

I hope i haven't forgotten anything but I know if I have, R7-12 will remind me, won't you? :wink: