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Amy Winehouse and the way we think of her death.

Danus

Danus

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By now most people know that Amy Winehouse was found dead in her home, most likely from her use of drugs an alcohol. Sad, yes but not surprising.

What makes this story so disgusting is that I suspect, to some degree, that she did this as a way to seal and immortalize her own image. For those of you who don't know of her, check out one of her hit songs.

[video=youtube;JlPBfGYA8SE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlPBfGYA8SE[/video]
 
You have to be pretty cynnical to belive that was her motivation.

I think it's more a matter that she just didn't care, everyone told her that her drug and alcohol habits were killing her she went to rehab alot and when she got out she'd jump right back on the drugs effectively refusing the help that was offered.

If you refuse to even try and resist or find a way out your basically willingly killing yourself.

Her actions show that she wanted to die and she got her wish. I have no thoughts about it.
 
Pebbles said:
You have to be pretty cynnical to belive that was her motivation.

I think it's more a matter that she just didn't care, everyone told her that her drug and alcohol habits were killing her she went to rehab alot and when she got out she'd jump right back on the drugs effectively refusing the help that was offered.

If you refuse to even try and resist or find a way out your basically willingly killing yourself.

Her actions show that she wanted to die and she got her wish. I have no thoughts about it.
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Well, your right about my cynicism on this one. I'm not exactly broken up about it all, but I do have thoughts on the reactions to it. Her fans seem to be crying over her death and I wonder why. Did they cry for her when she was alive? Are they sad for her or just because there will be no more cool CD's from her?
 
in part i agree with danus, whinehouse had the early stages of emphasema and that would have ended her singing career and she was already dying from that albeit slowly. perhaps she could have had maybe ten yrs to live or given a lung transplant as needed if she stopped her abuses of drugs. in either case her singing days were done in her eyes given that prognosis.
 
Was she 27 years old?

....you know, 27 club...

Hedrix
Cobain
Joplin
Morrison

a morbid way for a rocker to be immortalized.

Have no idea what the woman's age was and her death was sad...but hardly unexpected.
 
You know I'm actually upset by this thread. I came in here thinking it was going to be a positive thread and I'm very disappointed and a little aggravated by what I've read.

I am a fan of Amy. She has got soul and can sing away my blues. When I heard the news I was extremely saddened. When someone commits suicide do we condemn them or do we still show pity and empathize? Yes, Amy had some serious drug and alcohol problems, it's no secret. But why do people develop these problems? Because they are broken. They are in so much pain and so deeply wounded inside that the only way for them to manage living is to refrain from being sober. How horrible. She was in so much pain she did everything she could to relieve her pain. She was 27 and now her family is broken and now they will carry her pain within them.

The enemy was rooting for her to destroy herself, and he succeeded. I think it's wrong to talk about her like this. This was a child of God and his heart is broken over this. :shame
 
Amy Winehouse and the way we think of her death?


We who?


Personally, I think she got in too deep, and now she is dead. Fast living gets to people that way, and some are living way faster than others.
 
So she was 27...very sad.

I won't be the least bit surprised if her death was a suicide, then.

thelords, I'm not mocking her death...not at all. This whole 27 Club thing is really horrible...so many of these young "stars" can't keep up with the drugs, the fame, and the craziness of it all. Suicide at 27 seems to be sort of a "cult" way of escape...that gets celebrated.

I am sorry for her...she looked to drugs to solve her problems...they never have for anyone nor will they ever.
 
neither do i. i merely agreed with danus as he has a point. we in the west worship drug addicts with talent them rather then pity them.

how many soldiers who have commited suicide because they couldnt handle the stress or ptsd are this mourned by country. men and women who willingly will or would die for this country?

.. today we were cleaning gear and my acting platoon sgt came across this name irwin william.

to you he is just a name but to us a memory. i asked on how he died as he didnt serve with me in country, but i was over him for the training for that action. so i only know him from that.

he took his life at the age of 25 via oxycotin overdose as he had a prescription for that. and he also had some vodka with him. no note.

we remembered him as he was. a womaniser and weight lifter. he was a nice guy but cheated on every girl he dated.

i wouldnt ask my wife to forget my faults if i die. so neither do i for others. i pitty irwin, i dont know if he knew christ.

in honor of these men who died in my unit

prestridge
irwin
crosby
cooper
wadman

all nobodies to the media in general but not so to the 254th battalion.

i pity whinehouse as she got hooked into the world of self worship. but she is a product of we that buy into that and support that music.
 
Hey I started this topic in music, so next time would you please, thank you.
One thing I have to say, unless you have been in the grips of drug addictions and alcohol addiction, you will not understand her. I know what it's like and it took 30 something years for me to beat it. she just could not stop and I understand her. I had 2 heart attacks from cocain and that did not stop me. I kept on using. She was only 27 and she did not live long enough to get a grip on her addictions. I felt her pain even when she was alive because when I looked at her, I was looking at myself. Her last show in Washington DC about 2 weeks ago was sad, because she was booed off the stage, because she was so out of it. I am so sorry that she died like she did. Many people looked down on her because of her addictions, but these people have not a clue.
 
Interesting, and thank you Lewis. Yours is the post that is also vilifying my on FB right now from other former addicts I happen to know. It's OK, I'm just getting some opinions and stirring conversations about something I think is good to talk about. Drug addiction. This is not about music.

I have compassion for addicts, and as far as her death I'm not mocking it half as much as she is.

Frankly, I'm a little angry at her, and others. I'm angry that someone would treat themselves so carelessly and embrace their addiction as just part of who they are and try to make it part of their "cool" and dark selves as an image. She did that, and people celebrated it.

I'm not proposing a solution, but I think it's fair for those who are not caught up with addiction, who don't, "understand" to be a little upset over someone else's selfish behavior and point out that addicts not only hurt themselves, they hurt others. The pain of addiction is not an exclusive club just for addicts. Don't you think?
 
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When people are fresh new addicts they embrace it. But after you have been doing it for a while and you can't stop, that bravado is a cover up for what you really feel. And it is the only way to get people to leave you alone. She tried to stop many times only to fall again. And so did millions of us before we got it right.
She tried and she just could not get it right in her young life, and I remember being just like her. So am I taking up for her ? Yes I am.






















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Lewis W said:
So am I taking up for her ? Yes I am.
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Why do you feel the need to take up for her? To be clear, to take up for her means to defend her in some way. Why do you feel that she is being threatened? She's dead. She killed herself by her own actions. How can that be defended?

Is it a good idea to defend the actions of self destruction? Listen, I think Amy Winehouse was very talented as well. But, what she did was indefensible. The manner in which she lived her life was a sad and it is what killed her too soon. It was not people who cared for her. That does not mean I'm not compassionate, I think it's quite the opposite.

As a former addict don't you think you hurt others who loved you? Is that not also part of your recovery? Don't you own that?

If my kid becomes an addict I'm not going to stop loving them, but if they kill themselves like this that's something they will do on their own and they will own that for what it is. They will not have done that for lack of my love for them and even though I might catch a glimpse of understanding of it, it does not make what they will have done OK or rational, It is what it is and there is no defense of it. It's ugly, and bitter, and selfish and just plain dumb. Should an addict not see that at some point?

I'm willing to bet when we hear the autopsy report on this we are going to see a ton of drugs in this woman that killed her. She owns that.
 
It's not that lewis it's just that when your an addict your selfish and your self destructive and you just don't give a crap about anything but you and your addiction.
It's part of the reason why I'm slightly loathed to admit that addiction is an illness (Because while it is) I see addicts use it as an excuse to just keep on killing themselves and those around them as if they had no responciblity for their actions. But I do have friends who became drug addicts and vanished only to be told that they died some time later or friends who's parents died of liver cirrosis after years of alcoholism whitch hurt their whole families.

It's not easy to overcome I know... I myself engaged in self harm for 9 years as my coping mechansism and I was emotionally dependant on it (without it I nearly couldn't handle my suicidal emotions) only when I really reassed what I wanted and change some fundimental aspects of myself could I make a pact that I wouldn't cut again and I haven't in years now. It's hard of course whenever I'm upset I instincively desire to cut myself as much as cry. that deep scar on my very essence won't ever vanish.

It's not easy to truely change yourself and to take back that inch of integrity you gave but you can and with that you can claw your way out of that hell your in.

She didn't. With all the help in the world she couldn't honor herself. You can loose alot of thing like I'm sure she did, but that very last inch of yourself YOU choose to give it away to be a drug addict as opposed to pushing it away because it's easier... She did... and she choose to stay in that nightmare and died for it.
 
I think its terrible that Amy Winehouse has died so young, but it all seems so pointless. I guess that's what the sin of addiction and self-love (for all the self-hate, there is self-love at the core of addiction; how else can you explain the addict's selfishness?) will do you. Drug abuse is evil, and evil is banal; what could be more banal than reducing your life to drug consumption, wasted potential, and an early, meaningless death? As a former drug user, I have sympathy-even pity-but I can't deny the obvious: sin did this to Amy Winehouse.
 
Why do you feel the need to take up for her?
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Because until you have walked in our shoes you have not a clue. You know there is saying in AA and NA and that is. The only one who can understand another alcoholic is another one. The same goes with the drug addicts. that is why former drug addicts and alcoholics make your best addictions counselors. I know what she was fighting, so on her behalf I stand.
 
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Lewis W said:
Because until you have walked in our shoes you have not a clue. You know there is saying in AA and NA and that is. The only who can understand another alcoholic is another one. The same goes with the drug addicts. that is why former drug addicts and alcoholics make your best addictions counselors. I know what she was fighting, so on her behalf I stand.
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I see, so those of us who are not addicts or have not been should just sit down, keep quiet, and not have an opinion on the matter because we just don't know what heck we are talking about. That it?
 
I don't understand why people hold other people up, like movie stars and singers, like they are idols, they are people. People who starred in old films were ones who couldn't find any other jobs, they didn't have any skills, but here we are idolizing them....especially when they are drug addicts and not good examples for their followers, especially kids.

I know kids who are already addicted to drugs, no offense to anyone who is addicted or has been addicted, I don't understand why anyone would start in the first place. There are plenty of opportunities to use, it's all around my high school, but I don't because I see what it did to those kids who are addicted.
 
Danus said:
I see, so those of us who are not addicts or have not been should just sit down, keep quiet, and not have an opinion on the matter because we just don't know what heck we are talking about. That it?
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No Danus you can have an opinion... it just doesn't count for anything :lol

But seriously there is something to be said about turning to addiction in the first place. Everyone can speak to that. Everyone has at one point or another been in a spot where they could have chosen the wrong choice and gone with addiction. Seems to me I can critique Amy on her terrible initial choice (since evidently my opinion on the addicted doesn't count for anything...)

Agreed Rockie. Not sure what would have to go through a person's head in order to even decide to do drugs. There are literally zero benefits to narcotic usage.
 
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