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AN IMPORTANT END-TIME MESSAGE TO THE SAINTS

for_his_glory said:
What is being spoken of in Hebrews 4:9 you also have to read from vs.1-11 as it means our rest in Christ
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The rest will begin when Christ returns and gives us rest from all our enemies, in which we will have resurrected immortal bodies that will not die anymore, and contains no sin to be at war with our spirit, and death has been removed.

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:8-9


This will be for 1000 years and is the Seventh prophetic day.

The Sabbath that the weekly Sabbath points to.


JLB
 
JLB said:
The rest will begin when Christ returns and gives us rest from all our enemies, in which we will have resurrected immortal bodies that will not die anymore, and contains no sin to be at war with our spirit, and death has been removed.

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:8-9


This will be for 1000 years and is the Seventh prophetic day.

The Sabbath that the weekly Sabbath points to.


JLB
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With all I have studied cross referencing OT with NT I see no where where it states a literal 1000 years so I will have to disagree with you on this being literal. As God rested after all He had done, and Jesus will have His rest after casting Satan into the lake of fire, then we too will have our rest in the Lord in the New Jerusalem.
 
for_his_glory said:
As God rested after all He had done,
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God will rest for 1000 years after Jesus returns and removes the wicked.

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Hebrews 4:8-10

The word did is in italics and does not appear in the original.


It actually reads -

For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God from His.

  • for he who did enter into his rest, he also rested from his works, as God from His own. Hebrews 4:10 YLT

This means we will rest when God has ceased from His works.

Jesus says He and His Father have been working until now.

17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” John 5:17

The Seventh day rest has always pointed to the 1000 years, which is the Seventh prophetic day.

We have been here for right at 6000 years.


JLB
 
JLB said:
God will rest for 1000 years after Jesus returns and removes the wicked.

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Hebrews 4:8-10

The word did is in italics and does not appear in the original.


It actually reads -

For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God from His.

  • for he who did enter into his rest, he also rested from his works, as God from His own. Hebrews 4:10 YLT

This means we will rest when God has ceased from His works.

Jesus says He and His Father have been working until now.

17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” John 5:17

The Seventh day rest has always pointed to the 1000 years, which is the Seventh prophetic day.

We have been here for right at 6000 years.


JLB
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Do you think it's going to take Jesus a literal 1000 years after He returns to remove all the wicked that's in the world when in Rev 19:11-21 all He has to do is speak it all into being done. 1000 years is only figurative like all these scriptures, Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8. Nowhere in scripture does it say it is literal.

I know the sabbath/seventh day is a day of Gods rest and also to do well on the seventh day as Jesus did and said it is lawful to do well, Matthew 12:1-13.

As far as the world being 6000 years old that has never been determined and probably never will be as even I think it's way older than that, but that's another topic.
 
for_his_glory said:
Do you think it's going to take Jesus a literal 1000 years after He returns to remove all the wicked that's in the world
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No, that will be done quickly, and carried out by His angels, with the exception of the antichrist, who will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming.

40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:40-43

  • The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire.

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And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

  • and destroy with the brightness of His coming.



JLB
 
There are so many false prophets who claim to speak in Jesus name, claim they are Christians. All these this is going to happen, that is going to happen, on this date, on that date, this is a sign, that is a sign, look at the moon, and this year, and next year, and big things are coming, and on and on.

Its all just false. All of it. False. False. False.

I stand with Jeremiah and what God says.

Jeremiah 23:16
“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the Lord.

God told me this, God told me that.

If people in this world want to add on to the scriptures and be a prophet go ahead, but im not listening.
 
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kiwidan said:
There are so many false prophets who claim to speak in Jesus name, claim they are Christians. All these this is going to happen, that is going to happen, on this date, on that date, this is a sign, that is a sign, look at the moon, and this year, and next year, and big things are coming, and on and on.

Its all just false. All of it. False. False. False.

I stand with Jeremiah and what God says.

Jeremiah 23:16
“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the Lord.

God told me this, God told me that.

If people in this world want to add on to the scriptures and be a prophet go ahead, but im not listening.
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Agreed KD....good post.
 
Eze 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
Jer 23:16 Thus says the LORD of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
Mat 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
Act 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Act 20:29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
Act 20:30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
2Pe 3:14 Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.
1Jn 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.
1Jn 4:6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
Mat 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
2 Peter 1:12-21
Titus 1:6-16
[URL='https://www.biblestudytools.com/2-peter/2.html']2 Peter 2
[URL='https://www.biblestudytools.com/passage/?q=matthew+23:1-29']Matthew 23:1-29[/URL][/URL]
 
Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:20 ESV)

The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel, who are prophesying, and say to those prophesy from their own hearts: 'Hear the word of the LORD!' Thus says the Lord GOD, Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! Your prophets have been like jackals among ruins, O Israel. You have not gone up into the breaches, or built up a wall for the house of Israel, that it might stand in battle in the day of the LORD. They have seen false visions and lying divinations. They say, 'Declares the LORD,' when the LORD has not sent them, and yet they expect Him to fulfill their word.
(Ezekiel 13:1-6 ESV)

Precisely because they have misled My people, saying, 'Peace,' when there is no peace, and because, when the people build a wall, these prophets smear it with whitewash, say to those who smear it with whitewash that it shall fall!
...And when the wall falls, will it not be said to you, 'Where is the coating with which you smeared it?' (Ezekiel 13:10-12 ESV)

Thus says the LORD of hosts: "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. They say continually to those who despise the word of the LORD, 'It shall be well with you'; and to everyone who stubbornly follows his own heart, they say, 'No disaster shall come upon you.'" (Jeremiah 23:16,17)

...If the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? (1 Corinthians 14:8 ESV)

"The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward..." (Matthew 10:41 ESV)
 
JLB said:
No, that will be done quickly, and carried out by His angels, with the exception of the antichrist, who will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming.

40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:40-43

  • The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire.

again


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

  • and destroy with the brightness of His coming.



JLB
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OK, on this we can agree, but not with the 1000 years being literal
 
kiwidan said:
There are so many false prophets who claim to speak in Jesus name, claim they are Christians. All these this is going to happen, that is going to happen, on this date, on that date, this is a sign, that is a sign, look at the moon, and this year, and next year, and big things are coming, and on and on.

Its all just false. All of it. False. False. False.

I stand with Jeremiah and what God says.

Jeremiah 23:16
“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the Lord.

God told me this, God told me that.

If people in this world want to add on to the scriptures and be a prophet go ahead, but im not listening.
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:thumbsup all those books that have been written that have lined the pockets of those bandwagon teachers would make a good bond fire :readbible
 
civilwarbuff said:
Eze 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and who give lying divinations. They shall not be in the council of my people, nor be enrolled in the register of the house of Israel, nor shall they enter the land of Israel. And you shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
Jer 23:16 Thus says the LORD of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
Mat 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
Act 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Act 20:29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
Act 20:30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
2Pe 3:14 Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.
2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2Pe 3:17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.
1Jn 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.
1Jn 4:6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
Mat 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
2 Peter 1:12-21
Titus 1:6-16
2 Peter 2
Matthew 23:1-29
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TLSITD said:
AN IMPORTANT END-TIME MESSAGE TO THE SAINTS​

Greetings to all who are in Christ Jesus.

I have a difficult but important message to deliver to the saints, which I hope the Lord will grant many to receive, although I know that the majority will reject it. I encourage you to take what I am going to share with you to the Lord—with clean hands and a pure heart before Him (very important)---and to ask Him to confirm to you that these things are in fact true.*

The message is this:

1. THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE IS A LIE/MYTH

The Lord is coming back on the last day of the Tribulation, which is also the last day of time, period.

He is not coming twice, or during the middle of the Tribulation, and He is not coming in secret. (Matthew 24:27) Every eye will see Him when He returns.

At this time, the dead will be raised, and those saints who remain alive on the earth will be changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

All Christians will go through the Tribulation, which is for the testing of the faith of the saints (Revelation 3:10), as well as a time of God judging the unsaved world.

The persecution of the saints during this time is not the wrath of God, but the wrath of Satan, which is by God’s will and according to His plan. (Revelation 12:17; 13:9,10)

The judgments of God will be falling on unsaved people during this time, not on Christians, and Satan will be persecuting the saints during this same time.

Matthew 24:29-31. Mark 13:24-27. 1 Cor 15:52. 1 Thess 4:14-17. Rev 1:7.


2. MOST TRUE (NOT FAKE) CHRISTIANS WILL FALL AWAY FROM THE LORD AND BE OVERTHROWN DURING THE TRIBULATION

This is because most true Christians are in a state of rebellion against the Lord in this last hour. They know (or could and should know) the commands of the Lord that are given to us in the New Testament, and God’s will, but they are deliberately not keeping them, because they are truly lovers of themselves, lovers of money, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, proud, etc. (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

They keep some of His commandments and twist, compromise, ignore, or simply refuse to keep others which interfere with what they want or want to do.

Partial obedience to what we know we have been commanded and know God wants us to do is not acceptable to God.
(1 Samuel 15:10-23. Revelation 2:4-5; 3:1-3.)

Therefore, because they refuse to humble themselves and repent and do what He wants them to do, God is going to judge them by giving them into the hand of the antichrist. (Daniel 8:12)

He will not support them in the time of testing and battle---as He never supports rebels---and they will choose to take the mark of the beast in order to save their earthly lives and will perish spiritually.

No Christian will be forced to take the mark. All who do will do so by their own free will.

(This is the abomination that makes desolate: Christians, the people in whom the Spirit of God dwells, taking the mark of the beast and worshiping his image. They will be left desolate for doing this, just as the temple of the Jews was left to them desolate when God departed from it because they rejected Jesus. (Luke 13:34,35)


The antichrist will stand in the place of Christ in His Church, His temple, and among His worshipers, when they worship the beast to preserve their earthly lives---because they have practically rejected Jesus, with their hearts, as evidenced by their works and by their ways---not with their lips or their outward appearance. (2 Timothy 3:5. Mark 7:6-9. Revelation 3:20.)

Unsaved people cannot be made desolate as they are already empty and alone; only true Christians can.)

God has already given most of His people dullness of hearing and dimness of sight, for continually rejecting His truths and refusing to listen to Him (in order to have their own way, because they love themselves), so that they cannot recognize that they themselves are fulfilling the sign of the times which precedes the revealing of the antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:3), and the words of this message sound like nonsense to them. (Luke 8:18)

Matthew 24:9,10. Daniel 8:9-14; 7:21; 9:26,27; 12:5-7. Revelation 13:7. 1 Peter 4:17.


3. MOST OF THE SAINTS WHO REMAIN FAITHFUL TO JESUS DURING THE TIME OF TRIBULATION WILL BE MARTYRED, NOT RAPTURED ON THE LAST DAY

By God’s own mercy, He will deliver most of the Christians who remain faithful to Him during the Tribulation and do not take the mark of the beast by martyrdom. Some of us will remain on the last day when He returns, but most of us will be killed for our faith. And this (martyrdom) is what those who love the Lord should be preparing their minds for at this time.

Jesus asked whether He would find faith on the earth when He returns (Luke 18:8). The answer is: Very little. Most Christians will have either forfeited their salvation or been martyred for their faith by the time He returns. (1 John 2:28)

God knows that most Christians don’t have the spiritual strength to endure the trials of the Tribulation for very long (for which reason He also shortened the days of the Tribulation from seven years to approximately three and a half). He will mercifully deliver them from it by providing a way of escape through martyrdom, and He will strengthen them to lay their lives down for Him, because they have washed their robes and have a good heart toward Him.

(Being killed for not taking the mark of the beast is not defeat but victory. Taking the mark is being conquered.)

It is the saints who wash their robes who will be victorious during the Tribulation. The ones who refuse to do so will fall.

Whether by those who need to wash their robes doing so, or by those who refuse to wash their robes being cleaned out---out of the Church and out of the City---God will have a spotless Bride.

The only ones who have robes that can be washed are Christians. Our robe is Christ Himself. The unsaved have no robes. (Matthew 22:11-14. Isaiah 61:10.)


Revelation 7:9-14; 14:9-13; 17:6; 22:14; 3:4-6.

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This is the important message that the Lord has given me to share with my brothers and sisters in Christ in the very short time left before the Tribulation begins.

If you are one of those saints who does not have a good conscience toward God right now, I urge you to do whatever you need to do to make things right with Him and to have peace with Him that He is pleased with you. (1 John 3:19-22)

If you do not have this peace, or if you are fearful of death (in a dreadful, guilty way--not merely apprehensive at the prospect), there is something amiss in your walk with the Lord that you need to address, because this should not be the case. (1 John 4:18. Philippians 1:21-23. 2 Corinthians 5:8)

I encourage you to be honest with yourself and with Him, and not to let anything prevent you from doing what you know to be His will, no matter what it costs you.

Nothing is worth more than Jesus.

Wash your robes, so that you may be able to stand in the time of testing, and that you may conquer.

May the Lord grant many of you to receive this message, and give you the grace to do His will. (James 4:6-10)

The Lord be with you.

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“For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to give strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward Him.” (2 Chronicles 16:9)
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Then I said, “O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?” He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. (Daniel 12:8-10)
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*Peter exhorts us to pay attention to the prophetic scriptures that pertain to the last days (2 Peter 1:19; 3:1,2). Some of these scriptures have a past and a future fulfillment (a “double fulfillment”); some have already been fulfilled, and some have yet to be fulfilled. Knowing what is what and what pertains to whom requires God-given discernment, not merely a knowledge of what the Bible says.

(All scriptures taken from the ESV.)​
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A waste.
 
To all members posting in ET not necessarily directed at the last poster...

Here in the end times forum differing opinions have traditionally allowed... Those that show some Biblical back ground are allowed.. The oddities of end times make for good discussion..
Please rebuttal the opposing view with a scripture backed view of your own...

pre mid post trib are not the only 3 options
 
JLB said:
No, that will be done quickly, and carried out by His angels, with the exception of the antichrist, who will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming.

40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Matthew 13:40-43

  • The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire.

again


And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

  • and destroy with the brightness of His coming.



JLB
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On this we can agree, but will disagree with a literal 1000 years as nowhere in scripture does it say literal.
 
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