Angels Bringing False Gospels

[jasoncran]

how do we know he didnt lie if we dont know what he said.

noah wasnt a prophet. btw, he never prophecied anything.
the rcc did deviate so did protestanism as whole. so the bible is false then,
only the quran is the truth. i thought so, why bother then.

i hold all the writings of nt equal to the ot.

how does mohammed really know then what happened to christ? he wasnt there.
someone had to reveal to him. we have come to an empasse on that one.

600 yrs after the appearence of the messiah vs 30 yrs.

i dont buy what you claim. never will.one of us is wrong. either jesus is who you say he is, or he isnt.
do muslims accept his claims of the way to god? or what of other things he claimed.

 

[jasoncran]

the lord wasnt appointed by a prophet now was he?

only two prophet was ever "prophecied" to come to life one isnt named the other is refered to have a spirit like another prophet(john the baptist was similiar to elijah)

by your confession we christians cant be god's people. nor the jew. if we dont have the revealed word from god who then can follow him?

 

[jasoncran]

yes the order of offices is where i get that from.
to me a prophet is one either speaks what god says, which can be a future event. or what he wishes

how do we know god appointed jesus?

i do, but how do you know, where did he get the nod from. if you deny the nt disciples and gospels record where and what did he get the nod from

all the ot prophets usually are called by god.

paul spoke much on the end times, read the entire books he wrote they are there.

if you dismiss the jew as peoples then how can jesus be a prophet that claimed authority on the ot as those werent really from god?

 

[jasoncran]

abraham was before isaac. the blessing had to fall on the firstborn either ishmeal(who the jews and christians reject having the birthright or isaac) if isaac then only the jew has the right to claim the status of god choosen. if not then the arabs. not both.

 

[seekandlisten]

you do, you have claimed certian things that i believe are wrong.and you know what issue that is.


that is claiming a truth. if not then what is it.

Hey jason,

I was going to leave this alone but I've been kind of interested as to what you are referring to here. The only thing I could think of, something we talked about a few times, is the whole 'more than one road to God' scenario. Is this what you are referring to? All I can say in regards to that is that if someone claims they are seeking 'God' who am I to tell them they are doing it in the wrong way? Can there be a 'wrong way' to 'God'?

Just because I state something doesn't make it automatically true. I'm a fallible person who is learning all the time. The only things I can claim as being true are those that have evidence to back them up. In order to claim them false, evidence must be presented stating the contrary right?

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

but one cant do that with god. the only real evidence is when one believes,then the evidence is then revealed to you.

till then one wont see it.

that is why jesus said what he said to doubting thomas.

by claiming a path for you in essence you have picked one that i might be good with. one must be wrong.

 

[seekandlisten]

but one cant do that with god. the only real evidence is when one believes,then the evidence is then revealed to you.

So what you are saying is first I must believe in it enough for the evidence to become known to me? If I believe enough that everyone is out to get me I can work myself into a state of paranoia without any real threat so this method seems a little sketchy.

There is tons of evidence out their of people's beliefs in gods, what one chooses to believe out of them is up to the individual.

that is why jesus said what he said to doubting thomas.

Yet when Thomas said that he wouldn't believe until he seen for himself Jesus catered to his wishes and showed him what he needed to see to believe. Why isn't that an option anymore? There are things that some believe that I figure if I need to know, I will be shown, until then I don't need to believe every superstition some hold.

by claiming a path for you in essence you have picked one that i might be good with.

one must be wrong.

Only according to those who think their way is best.

cheers