Are bona fide Xtians the only ones with a TRUE conscience?

[mutzrein]

Why did you leave out the reference. Let me guess. :-?

So that you would look for it.

 

[reznwerks]

spirit

I really hestitated to post this, but...

When Adam was created, God breathed into his nostrils to bring him to life. God gave Adam a spirit, something the animals did not receive. All humans have a spirit. It is our spirit that gives us our conscience. So I think all people have a conscience, but some just don't listen to it. Some have "blocked it off" so to speak, like for example, Ted Bundy may have done, as in sociopathology.
I think that even non-believers can use their conscience. But since they don't believe in God, they will not have all the same rules (I certianly hope you all understand what I mean by that). They would not follow the Ten Commandments, for example, or follow Jesus' teachings. They can know what is right and wrong, be taught by others.
So I say here, yes, I think that a non-believer can have a conscience.

If the "spirit" is conscience" where is the spirit when a person is in a coma or brain dead? Is it then OK to pull the plug on the brain dead person since the spirit is missing?
You are equating morals with a conscience and if so animals have their own moral or code they live by. You don't see animals running around killing each other for the most part. The "Ten Commandments" were nothing new in how they related to behavior within society. No society condones murder, theft, or sexual relations outside the accepted norm of either monogamy or polygamy. THe rest of the commandments dealt with purly worship issues alone. As far as doing what is right and wrong that comes from teaching and you don't need the excuse of a God to do that.

 

[gingercat]

Why did you leave out the reference. Let me guess. :-?

So that you would look for it.

:-D :-D :-D

 

[ChristineES]

Re: spirit

I really hestitated to post this, but...

When Adam was created, God breathed into his nostrils to bring him to life. God gave Adam a spirit, something the animals did not receive. All humans have a spirit. It is our spirit that gives us our conscience. So I think all people have a conscience, but some just don't listen to it. Some have "blocked it off" so to speak, like for example, Ted Bundy may have done, as in sociopathology.
I think that even non-believers can use their conscience. But since they don't believe in God, they will not have all the same rules (I certianly hope you all understand what I mean by that). They would not follow the Ten Commandments, for example, or follow Jesus' teachings. They can know what is right and wrong, be taught by others.
So I say here, yes, I think that a non-believer can have a conscience.

If the "spirit" is conscience" where is the spirit when a person is in a coma or brain dead? Is it then OK to pull the plug on the brain dead person since the spirit is missing?
You are equating morals with a conscience and if so animals have their own moral or code they live by. You don't see animals running around killing each other for the most part. The "Ten Commandments" were nothing new in how they related to behavior within society. No society condones murder, theft, or sexual relations outside the accepted norm of either monogamy or polygamy. THe rest of the commandments dealt with purly worship issues alone. As far as doing what is right and wrong that comes from teaching and you don't need the excuse of a God to do that.

I really don't want to spend my time trying to convince an atheist that there is a God, and that people have spirits. I have better things to think about and do. You know what we believe, so I am no longer am required to tell you about it. That would be beating a dead horse.
Since I don't preach to you about my God, then please stop telling me that there is no God. When I write such things such as my post, I am writing to other believers of the The Word. Atheists and agnostics can read it, comment on it, or whatever. I don't mind it at all.
I just want to know one thing. Why are you so determined to turn people away from God? It does not effect you in any way that there are Christians. Christians preach the Gospel because we are worried about others mortal souls. But since you don't believe in immortatility, what are you worried about? I am not being sarcastic, I really would like to know.

 

[Vic C.]

Please stop writing Christians with an x. I find it a bit disturbing. (I am only asking you, not telling you)

So do I Christine and I'm fixing it so it won't happen again, dispite one's intentions.

 

[Vic C.]

Why did you leave out the reference. Let me guess. :-?

So that you would look for it.

Not a good answer considering any quoted verse that's not KJ is required to have reference to the translation. Chapter and verse, of course, should be given as well, at least for courtesy's sake if for no other reason.

 

[mutzrein]

Why did you leave out the reference. Let me guess. :-?

So that you would look for it.

Not a good answer considering any quoted verse that's not KJ is required to have reference to the translation. Chapter and verse, of course, should be given as well, at least for courtesy's sake if for no other reason.

Sorry Vic - I didn't realise that a reference was required when quoting scripture. Is that a requirement placed on us or is it just for courtesy's sake? I have often quoted scripture without reference and this is the first time anyone has said anything.

My intention was to cause the intended recipient to search out the scripture and to take stock of the context. I thought that might be in order since I had already quoted exactly the same scripture (word for word and without the reference) in another thread - and I think to the same recipient.

In this particular case I was paralleling two scriptures and wanted the recipient to understand the relationship each had to the other. In the past when I have quoted scripture and described the meaning, this person told me I should not tell him what it meant. It seemed that he thought he was quite capable of deciding for himself the meaning of the scripture. So, rather than spell it out in fine detail I just quoted it and left it up to him to look up and respond to.

Well, what can I say?

 

[Vic C.]

I will PM you the reason why, Mut.

BTW, various copyrights can be found here:

http://www.studylight.org/info/copyright/bible/

 

[mutzrein]

I will PM you the reason why, Mut.

BTW, various copyrights can be found here:

http://www.studylight.org/info/copyright/bible/

Thankyou Vic. I got your PM and had a look on the web site. It seems to me as though you can quote it with some restrictions but there doesn't seem to be a requirement to specify the version, scrpiture, verse as far as I could see, regarding NIV.

I am responding here rather than PM incase others may be interested or may be able to shed any more light on it.

Thanks
Ed

 

[Vic C.]

Good ideal. I replied via PM so not to disrupt the thread, but since you mentioned the NIV:

These Scriptures are copyrighted by International Bible Society® and have been made available on the Internet for your personal use only. Any other use including, but not limited to, copying or re-posting the Scripture on the Internet is prohibited.

http://www.studylight.org/info/copyright/bible/niv.html

Unbelievable, heh? :o Just another reason why I don't use the NIV.

 

[mutzrein]

But this precedes what you quoted.

The text may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic or audio), up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without the express written permission of the publisher, providing the verses quoted do not amount to a complete book of the Bible nor do the verses quoted account for 25 percent (25%) or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted.

Which presumably means that we can use it - up to the measure specified here. And it does not say that 'NIV / Chapter / Verse(s)' has to quoted as far as I can see. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Vic C.]

Hey, the topic is "Are bona fide Christians the only ones with a TRUE conscience?" so...


use your conscience. : : :

 

[thessalonian]

Why did you leave out the reference. Let me guess. :-?

So that you would look for it.

No, because it is in HEBREWS. That is significant, though I doudt you will see why.

 

[mutzrein]

Why did you leave out the reference. Let me guess. :-?

So that you would look for it.

No, because it is in HEBREWS. That is significant, though I doudt you will see why.

Forgive my ignorance oh learned one. What is the significance?