Are Christians to keep the Sabbath?

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It seems to me that you have manipulated, or entirely misunderstood, what Deborah has said.

It seems to me that when I'm sitting here in my living room with my laptop and having a nice and pleasant conversation with my wife and simultaneously an attempt at a factual conversation about scriptures, that some people like to spin away from facts and they come up with all kinds of bizarre unsubstantiated nonsense. Particularly when their pet positions might get rubbed a bit.

Angry? What a joke. I don't recall being angry for a very long time. Perhaps Deborah can be my emoticon dictator?

And if you want to engage with a fact or two yourself rather than a 'seem' without any facts attached whatsoever, you two may be an interesting pair.

Angry? That is really funny. :yes I thank you both for your entertainment value.

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[Deborah13]

One of the reasons I quit the RCC was because their demanded confession in effect asked me to be a liar.

How is this so?

They have a confession that the congregants say at almost every service.

It goes like this: "Lord, I have sinned in thought, word and deed."

Uh, sorry, when one is in truth they 'have' sin. Not have sinned in the past. Have, right there at that moment, as they all speak they do not sin, past tense.

They all alike HAVE sin as a present tense working.

Have sinnED past tense? lol

I will not be made into a liar by fancy jibberish on tense applications.

No, none of you nor I 'have sinned.'

We 'have' sin. Right now, as we type. We 'have' sin.

Sit in that pew every Sabbath. Think yourself legal all you please. The fact of 'have sin' is present tense and doesn't change by formulamatic incantations of 'used to' or 'did recently' but now I am without sin because I'm sitting in the pew on the Sabbath.

It is a wonder to me why God doesn't just throw lightning bolts at these assemblies of liars. Probably doesn't because they are simply blind.

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Ok so call me stupid. I now get what you are saying. So you believe that we are in a continual state of sin. I John 2:1 says, "And IF any man sins..." John didn't seem to think we were in this condition. Not as born again saved christians.

Paul says in Acts 13:38-39 - "Therefore let it be known to you, brethern, that through this Man (Jesus) is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."

No sinner can enter into the kingdom. There is no one sin greater than another for all sin is sin. Without the gift of His righteousness we are all doomed to an eternity of hell. For we have all sinned, do sin, will sin again and again. Some of us more than others. And the some of us are so greatful for what He did at the cross and is doing in us. His grace is all that saves us from the punishment we deserve.

What do you do? I ask again. How will you be saved?

 

[Tri Unity]

Angry? That is really funny. :yes I thank you both for your entertainment value.

Your thoughts are not very clear; but you are very defensive about your views all the same. Your comments come across as though they are very angry and accusative. Calling people liars and manipulators is a form of disengagement.

 

[smaller]

Sorry, bedtime in the Rockies for me.

maybe some other time.

zzzzz

 

[John 8:32]

If you mean not keep them literally, then, 'yes', we can break some of them in that sense.

You don't have to literally keep a law whose requirements have been satisfied through your faith in Christ. The literal sacrifices for sin are the best example of this. Christ is NOT a literal OT sacrifice, yet he completely and totally, and forever satisfies the lawful requirement for sacrifice for sin. That's why we can 'break' those laws (not literally keep them anymore). Circumcision is another easy to understand example. The Sabbath is not as readily seen as fulfilled by faith in Christ. That's why we debate it to this day. But it really does get satisfied by faith in Christ.

So I don't LITERALLY have to refrain from murder? How about adultery? The act of lying is acceptable?

It's really just that fourth one isn't it?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

So I don't LITERALLY have to refrain from murder?

The debt of law that remains outstanding is the never satisfied debt to love others:

"8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law." (Romans 3:8 NIV1984)

Love is the fulfilment of law that is never satisfied. But there is no more ongoing, unsatisfied debt of the first covenant worship schedule. Those requirements get satisfied 'once and for all' when you place your trust in the blood of Christ, the New Covenant. This is explained in Hebrews.

'Love your neighbor as yourself' is the law that gets written on the heart of the believer by the Holy Spirit. God is not writing the literal worship laws of the first covenant on the heart. You know this, but maybe just haven't thought about it. For example, with the appearance of the new Sacrifice, Jesus Christ, there is no need to write literal laws about the sacrifice of bulls and goats for sin on the hearts of his people anymore. The author of Hebrews shows how it's no longer necessary to sacrifice for sin that has been totally and forever forgiven through the New Sacrifice, Jesus Christ (provided you continue in that faith).

The Sabbath command was a condition set forth for covenant with God. In this New Covenant of Priesthood, Sacrifice, and Temple we are brought near to God through faith in Christ. That being true, there is no longer any requirement to literally keep a law to be in covenant with God for a people that are already in covenant with God through Christ.

 

[John 8:32]

The debt of law that remains outstanding is the never satisfied debt to love others:

"8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law." (Romans 3:8 NIV1984)

Love is the fulfilment of law that is never satisfied. But there is no more ongoing, unsatisfied debt of the first covenant worship schedule. Those requirements get satisfied 'once and for all' when you place your trust in the blood of Christ, the New Covenant. This is explained in Hebrews.

'Love your neighbor as yourself' is the law that gets written on the heart of the believer by the Holy Spirit. God is not writing the literal worship laws of the first covenant on the heart. You know this, but maybe just haven't thought about it. For example, with the appearance of the new Sacrifice, Jesus Christ, there is no need to write literal laws about the sacrifice of bulls and goats for sin on the hearts of his people anymore. The author of Hebrews shows how it's no longer necessary to sacrifice for sin that has been totally and forever forgiven through the New Sacrifice, Jesus Christ (provided you continue in that faith).

You make it sound past tense here, yet...

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Why must He ever live to make intercession? John explains...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Paul understood that it was a daily battle...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

As David said...

Psa 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
Psa 130:4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

This wasn't settled once for all, it is an ongoing battle each day for us, striving to overcome sin. When we slip and fall, as we saw above, there is forgiveness. Now there is forgiveness for those striving to overcome, for those who choose to sin...

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Now consider the fact that the only scriptures that those who wrote the New Testament had was what we call the Old Testament, what would John be referring to? John was well versed in the Psalms...

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

This goes back to the Garden, God never gave man the prerogative of determining right and wrong (the tree of the knowledge of good and evil), He only gave man the choice of whether to obey or not.

The Sabbath command was a condition set forth for covenant with God. In this New Covenant of Priesthood, Sacrifice, and Temple we are brought near to God through faith in Christ. That being true, there is no longer any requirement to literally keep a law to be in covenant with God for a people that are already in covenant with God through Christ.

Which covenant was that on the seventh day of creation week? It is easily provable that the Ten Commandments were in force from creation. One can find each of them either in principle or by direct statement prior to Ex 20:1.

The covenant is the agreement between God and Israel. The Commandments are not the agreement, they are the rules of engagement if you will.

 

[Deborah13]

What do you say then? That an unrighteous man CAN/May go to heaven?

Not debating, just asking with no ulterior motive.

 

[Stormcrow]

Jesus did not take his own life, he was crucified.

"I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father." John 10:14-18 (NASB)

Yes He was crucified but that was the reason He came.

 

[rrowell]

"I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father." John 10:14-18 (NASB)

Yes He was crucified but that was the reason He came.

Born Again never said it was not foreknown to Him she said he did not take his own life, this is clear he foreknew from Him asking God if there be a way for that cup to pass from him said loud and clear he knew what would come.

It was known as far back as David:

Psalms 68:18 (KJV)
Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV)
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

There is a difference in taking one's own life, and being crucified.

 

[John 8:32]

"I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father." John 10:14-18 (NASB)

Yes He was crucified but that was the reason He came.

Not often we agree Stromcrow, but you are absolutely correct here. Christ, known as the Word, (John 1:1) prior to His human birth, and the Father decided this before the earth was created...

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You make it sound past tense here, yet...

The one sacrifice of Jesus was made 2000 years ago.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Just as Jesus ministry continues on behalf of God's people, so the one sacrifice of Christ remains and does not have to be repeatedly offered as the old covenant sacrifices had to be offered up. Jesus is the one sacrifice for all time. And we stay under the power of that sacrifice to forgive as long as we stay in our faith in that sacrifice.

The one sacrifice of Christ, made for all people, for all time brings them into perfect standing before Christ so that no further sacrifice for sin has to be made. Christ has made obsolete that old system, that old covenant of repeated sacrifice and worship, because he has made perfect (in the eyes of God--aka justified) those who trust in his blood:

"He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Hebrews 10:9-10 NIV1984)

"...by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." (Hebrews 10:14 NIV1984)

Christ sacrifice...

--was made one time

--was made for all time (and all people). It does not need to be repeatedly offered up.

--makes the people of God perfect in the sight of God (our holiness is what is increasing).

All of these things, accomplished through the New Covenant--Jesus Christ, have effectively made the old covenant of how/when/where to approach God and be in covenant with him obsolete--as in no longer needed for a people who already have done for them what the first covenant sought to do.

This is why we don't HAVE to keep a Sabbath law to stay in covenant with God, because we are already in covenant with God through the new and different and better covenant of Christ's blood.

 

[John 8:32]

The one sacrifice of Jesus was made 2000 years ago.


Just as Jesus ministry continues on behalf of God's people, so the one sacrifice of Christ remains and does not have to be repeatedly offered as the old covenant sacrifices had to be offered up. Jesus is the one sacrifice for all time. And we stay under the power of that sacrifice to forgive as long as we stay in our faith in that sacrifice.

The one sacrifice of Christ, made for all people, for all time brings them into perfect standing before Christ so that no further sacrifice for sin has to be made. Christ has made obsolete that old system, that old covenant of repeated sacrifice and worship, because he has made perfect (in the eyes of God--aka justified) those who trust in his blood:

"He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Hebrews 10:9-10 NIV1984)

"...by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." (Hebrews 10:14 NIV1984)

Christ sacrifice...

--was made one time

--was made for all time (and all people). It does not need to be repeatedly offered up.

I think you might want to ask that Christ's sacrifice be applied to you each time you sin rather than just assuming that grace covers all. This is what John says here...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

--makes the people of God perfect in the sight of God (our holiness is what is increasing).

All of these things, accomplished through the New Covenant--Jesus Christ, have effectively made the old covenant of how/when/where to approach God and be in covenant with him obsolete--as in no longer needed for a people who already have done for them what the first covenant sought to do.

This is why we don't HAVE to keep a Sabbath law to stay in covenant with God, because we are already in covenant with God through the new and different and better covenant of Christ's blood.

And I guess I don't have to refrain from murdering, committing adultery and taking God's name in vain to stay in covenant with Him either?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think you might want to ask that Christ's sacrifice be applied to you each time you sin rather than just assuming that grace covers all. This is what John says here...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

You are missing the point.

The point is, the sacrifice of Christ CONTINUALLY ministers on our behalf before the Father. You don't have to re-sacrifice Christ every time you sin. Unlike the old covenant where the power of the sacrifice ran out, so to speak, and a new one had to be made.

And I guess I don't have to refrain from murdering, committing adultery and taking God's name in vain to stay in covenant with Him either?

I answered this for you. What did you not understand?

If your faith in Christ's forgiveness continues, your faith will manifest itself in love for others. You won't be going around damning people through the improper use of his Name, or killing them, or taking their wives if you stay cognizant and appreciative of the forgiveness you yourself have received from God.

"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." (Galatians 5:6 NIV1984)

By our faith in Christ we uphold the law. Not the ceremonial law. There's no reason to do that anymore. We've been made forever perfect before God, legally speaking, through the New Way, the New Covenant--Jesus Christ. There's no need to fulfill old ways of being made perfect before God (that didn't work anyway, as Hebrews says).

Through our faith in God's forgiveness we keep the goal and summation of the law, which is 'love your neighbor as yourself'. What has 'disappeared' from the law as a result of the fulfillment--the fulfillment being the one condition before the end of heaven and earth that would allow something to 'disappear' from the law--is the powerless system of sacrifice, temple, and priesthood that could make nothing perfect, and was but a shadow of the covenant that could.

 

[tessiewebb]

You are missing the point.

The point is, the sacrifice of Christ CONTINUALLY ministers on our behalf before the Father. You don't have to re-sacrifice Christ every time you sin. Unlike the old covenant where the power of the sacrifice ran out, so to speak, and a new one had to be made.



I answered this for you. What did you not understand?

If your faith in Christ's forgiveness continues, your faith will manifest itself in love for others. You won't be going around damning people through the improper use of his Name, or killing them, or taking their wives if you stay cognizant and appreciative of the forgiveness you yourself have received from God.

"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." (Galatians 5:6 NIV1984)

By our faith in Christ we uphold the law. Not the ceremonial law. There's no reason to do that anymore. We've been made forever perfect before God, legally speaking, through the New Way, the New Covenant--Jesus Christ. There's no need to fulfill old ways of being made perfect before God (that didn't work anyway, as Hebrews says).

Through our faith in God's forgiveness we keep the goal and summation of the law, which is 'love your neighbor as yourself'. What has 'disappeared' from the law as a result of the fulfillment--the fulfillment being the one condition before the end of heaven and earth that would allow something to 'disappear' from the law--is the powerless system of sacrifice, temple, and priesthood that could make nothing perfect, and was but a shadow of the covenant that could.

Excellent post! Thank GOD we are under grace and not under the law!

 

[BornAgain]

Excellent post! Thank GOD we are under grace and not under the law!

We are no longer under the Mosaic law but under a law-the New Testament. As long as there is sin in the world there is a law. Many think that God's grace will cover us and we can live any way we want to. That is false.

Rom 4:14-15

For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression

Rom 3:27

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith, the Law of Christ, or the Law of Faith.

Gal 6:1-2

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

James 2:12

So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

The law we are under now is referred to as the New Testament, the New Covenant or the Law of Liberty, the Law of Christ, the Law of Faith.

 

[John 8:32]

Here is something I find odd with the idea that the Sabbath is no longer to be kept by New Covenant Christians...

Do we agree that the Sabbath was created on the seventh day of creation week?

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Now this is prior to Mt Sinai and the "giving of the Law".

When the Sabbath command is codified...

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

How does one remember something that was not in existence? It was in existence, it existed at creation.

So in Jesus day, He kept the Sabbath...

Mar 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

He claimed to be Lord of the Sabbath, named the Sabbath as the Lord's day...

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Paul taught on the Sabbath, he even wrote a letter telling a gentile church in Colosse not to let any one judge them for keeping the Sabbath...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Interestingly enough, the passage in Hebrews 4 says there remains a "keeping of Sabbath"...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
sab-bat-is-mos'
From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatismâ€, that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.

The Greek word that is used in Hebrews 4:9, σαββατισμός, pronounced sabbatismos, which means “Sabbath rest, Sabbath observance†(Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).

One should read the entire article...

http://emmilglenn.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/sabbatismos/

OK now let's propel ourselves forward in time to the Millenium, after Christ's return...

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Hmmm, they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of transgressors...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Eze 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

Eze 46:12 Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily unto the LORD, one shall then open him the gate that looketh toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth one shall shut the gate.

This Temple has yet to be built and if you read Ezek 40 - 48 you find that this is the Temple that will be built in the Millenium.

Now, in the past under the Old Covenant, God had people put to death for breaking the Sabbath. In the future people will keep the Feast Days, the Sabbath is one of these...

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

What if they do not?

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Remember what we read in Isa 66:23?

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

You mean to tell me that people will get hungry and be struck with plagues if they don't keep the Feast Days? Yep.

Now we read...

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The Christ who would say, don't bother keeping that old Sabbath is not the one who is the same yesterday, today and forever. In fact...

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

 

[BornAgain]

Here is something I find odd with the idea that the Sabbath is no longer to be kept by New Covenant Christians...

Do we agree that the Sabbath was created on the seventh day of creation week?

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Now this is prior to Mt Sinai and the "giving of the Law".

When the Sabbath command is codified...

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

How does one remember something that was not in existence? It was in existence, it existed at creation.

So in Jesus day, He kept the Sabbath...

Mar 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

He claimed to be Lord of the Sabbath, named the Sabbath as the Lord's day...

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Paul taught on the Sabbath, he even wrote a letter telling a gentile church in Colosse not to let any one judge them for keeping the Sabbath...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Interestingly enough, the passage in Hebrews 4 says there remains a "keeping of Sabbath"...

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

G4520
σαββατισμός
sabbatismos
sab-bat-is-mos'
From a derivative of G4521; a “sabbatismâ€, that is, (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.

The Greek word that is used in Hebrews 4:9, σαββατισμός, pronounced sabbatismos, which means “Sabbath rest, Sabbath observance†(Arndt and Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).

One should read the entire article...

http://emmilglenn.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/sabbatismos/

OK now let's propel ourselves forward in time to the Millenium, after Christ's return...

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Hmmm, they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of transgressors...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Eze 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Eze 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

Eze 46:12 Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily unto the LORD, one shall then open him the gate that looketh toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth one shall shut the gate.

This Temple has yet to be built and if you read Ezek 40 - 48 you find that this is the Temple that will be built in the Millenium.

Now, in the past under the Old Covenant, God had people put to death for breaking the Sabbath. In the future people will keep the Feast Days, the Sabbath is one of these...

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

What if they do not?

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Remember what we read in Isa 66:23?

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

You mean to tell me that people will get hungry and be struck with plagues if they don't keep the Feast Days? Yep.

Now we read...

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The Christ who would say, don't bother keeping that old Sabbath is not the one who is the same yesterday, today and forever. In fact...

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

You quote and mix the OT with the NT. You cannot live under 2 laws at the same time. You are committing spiritual bigamy. Just as you cannot have 2 wives without committing bigamy.

 

[John 8:32]

You quote and mix the OT with the NT. You cannot live under 2 laws at the same time. You are committing spiritual bigamy. Just as you cannot have 2 wives without committing bigamy.

Hmmm,

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Seemed good enough for Paul and Timothy, good enough for me.

 

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Hmmm,

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Seemed good enough for Paul and Timothy, good enough for me.

There is nothing 'illegal' about being lawful or doing Saturday or Sunday Sabbath.

That is probably not the point though.

The net effect of following 'every law' was summed up by Paul in Romans 13:8-10. Any command is summed up in that stretch of scripture.

One could very well do the Sabbath and utterly fail at being lawful or legal by Paul's bottom line definition of what that means or entails.

For example, a believer sitting in a pew on the Sabbath who thinks about killing his neighbor may appear to be legal on the outside of the cup, but the fact is that surface view would not be accurate to his innards.

That external view of that legal person really wouldn't be worth a hoot.

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