[_ Old Earth _] Are plants "alive"

[Snidey]

I don't see how organs tie to souls. The relevant distinction here is consciousness.

 

[John]

I don't see how organs tie to souls. The relevant distinction here is consciousness.

Do plants have a conscious? can they think? do they have memories? etc.

 

[Snidey]

I don't see how organs tie to souls. The relevant distinction here is consciousness.

Do plants have a conscious? can they think? do they have memories? etc.

...? I'm not sure what you're saying

 

[proponent]

I don't see how organs tie to souls. The relevant distinction here is consciousness.

Do plants have a conscious? can they think? do they have memories? etc.

Can you prove that worms do?

 

[Barbarian]

For a Christian it's no problem. The "Death" God spoke of in Genesis was a spiritual, not a physical death. We know this, because He says that Adam will die the day he eats from the tree, but Adam lives on physically for many years after.

BTW, the Bible says that plants are alive. Jesus refers to them as being alive in various contexts, such as His saying that a seed must die in order to bring forth life.

 

[John]

For a Christian it's no problem. The "Death" God spoke of in Genesis was a spiritual, not a physical death. We know this, because He says that Adam will die the day he eats from the tree, but Adam lives on physically for many years after.

BTW, the Bible says that plants are alive. Jesus refers to them as being alive in various contexts, such as His saying that a seed must die in order to bring forth life.

Yes...then he dies :wink:

Ummm make sure you know what "seed" he is talking about.

 

[Barbarian]

He was using a metaphor, describing a living thing (a seed) and saying it must die in order for new life to come. If you are a Christian, you should know that there is a non-literal meaning there as well, a more important one.

But your argument is over. God does indeed say that plants are living things.

 

[John]

BTW, the Bible says that plants are alive. Jesus refers to them as being alive in various contexts, such as His saying that a seed must die in order to bring forth life.

need to post up some verses.

 

[Barbarian]

Ok, for those who don't read the Bible much...

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

 

[John]

Well pardon me for not being a walking Bible.

Well in this case i would say my argument is over.

 

[Patashu]

Leaves can be though of as organs. They take in nutrients (Sunlight) for conversion to usable energy. Bark is very similar to skin, and even more similar to scales, as it is a protective outer layer. I still don't see a huge distinction that makes plants 'not alive'.
Edit: Sorry if I implied that bark is an organ.

Dog,Human,worm all have a heart, my backyard Oak tree does not.

Since when has 'has a heart' been a scientific qualifier for life? I mean, sure, if you define life the way YOU want to it's easy to exclude plants, but language does not work that way.

 

[jsasaki06]

Life is in DNA. When the Bible was written, there was no understanding of DNA, so maybe "blood" was just a metaphor. It probably shouldn't be taken literally.