Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

[Cnkw3]

The lesson remains that you consider the cup of the Lord that He drank from, and the baptism that the Apostles had the same as Christ, is not for anyone else, and that's nonsense, unless you think you can show more than one cup and more than one baptism.

Of course there is more than one cup. Here is one.
Mat 26:27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
This is the cup of the Lord supper that Jesus instituted the night he was betrayed.

Here’s another
My 10:38-39 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

This cup and this baptism was still to come this has nothing to do with him being immersed in water by John the Baptist. He is referring to the suffering he will endure and tells the apostles that they too would partake of this cup of suffering. This was not given to everybody but was given directly to the apostles.
Jesus prayed to the father....remove this CUP from me.
he told Peter to put his sword away...”shall I not drink the cup the father has given me”
You are misusing these verses by taking them out of their context and creating your own doctrine

 

[Cnkw3]

The people of Israel did not believe in Jesus because belief does not come by signs, or by healing, or by water, or anything else, apart from belief in the Lord Jesus rising, and part of that belief is Jesus being righteous to receive water baptism. Nothing is ironic, and it is not even a discussion.

That belief comes by the Spirit, otherwise nobody can believe in the truth without that Spirit of truth.

Again....this is NOT what the Bible says. John said...
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 20:30-31
John tells me that these signs that Jesus did were written down for me so THAT I MIGHT BELIEVE. He does not even mention the Spirit.
You are right....it’s not even up for discussion. The Bible says it and that settles it. I can believe the Bible or I can believe what you say. Which way do you think I’m gonna go.

 

[Cnkw3]

Israel was made as examples, and ensamples, it again is very straight forward and your thoughts are just your own ( not much value against scripture)


1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Yes. I agree that they are an example to those that follow.
Were the Israelites saved before or after they went through the water? Now, as our example, are believers today saved before or after they go through the water? They are exactly the same.

 

[Cnkw3]

People are hardened through the deceitfulness of sins, because they do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Again very simple, but you cant quite grasp the simplicity in Christ, or just cant acknowledge it. Nobody can be baptized unless they believe, that is the simplistic order, and it is the right way too.





Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Why do you keep posting acts 2:38 when you don’t even believe in what it says?
This is a direct quote from you....
“Washing away the sins is done by be,lief in Christ, His bloods purity to wash away our impurity ( of an unbelieving heart) then the heart is purified ( through faith)”
This is NOT what Peter said in acts. He said sins are washed away or remitted after baptism. What was baptism “for”? The remission of sins. These people were already believers in vs 37 but were told that they were still in their sins. So I do not know why you post this passage since it contradicts your own doctrine.

 

[Cnkw3]

Baptism is belief in Christ being baptized by John the Baptist, and that He fulfilled all righteousness, and died for our sins, and we are baptized with Him unto His death. We believe in Christ being risen from the dead, if we have that good conscience( awareness made by the Spirit of revelation, and there is ONE SPIRIT and ONE BAPTISM.



Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

This has nothing to do with what ever you just said above. This passage tells us there is “the faith” which is the “one faith”. And it is the gospel of Jesus Christ. You know. The one Peter preached on Pentecost. And Peter did not tell those people what you just told me so we are NOT in one mind and in one spirit.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Yes the “one baptism” is water baptism for the remission of sins that Jesus commanded through the great commission. It is the only one that was to go on until the end of the world. This makes since seeing it the ONLY baptism that washes away our sins. Mk 16:16. Acts 22:16

 

[Cnkw3]

You can keep going around in circles, it means only dizziness for you.

Why pretend you know something when you deny the mist basic parts ?

Hahahaha! I deny the most basic parts?
Mk 16:16. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
Acts 2:38 repent and be baptized for the remission of sins.

It don’t get more basic then this....
At what point did Jesus just say above that sins were removed and salvation occurred? Before or after water baptism? And we know it’s water because acts 10 settles that fact.

Please show me scripture just like I showed you that teach this nonsense that we have to believe in Jesus baptism? If it is basic then it should be written really plain and all over the place.

The Apostles are the same as anyone else, all hearts are purified by faith.

The comforter, the Holy Ghost, of course is the same gift the Apostles were given, it is the peace of Christ, which teaches us all things.

No scripture there so I have to conclude that this is just your own commentary.

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Were they baptized in water yes or know? If so...at what point does the Bible say they were “purified” (sin free). After baptism! Mk 16:16. Acts 2:38. Acts 22:16. That is exactly what Peter preached and it is exactly what baptism in the name of the lord is for.....remission of sins! This is very basic Bible 101.

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Yes. Jew and gentile. Both are saved the exact same way. The Jews on Pentecost were baptized in water for remission of sins and so were the gentiles. They both believed and were baptized in water and according to Jesus that formula equals salvation. Mk 16:16.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This was not said to you and me. When did Jesus talk to you? Were you there with him 2000 years ago? If not then this was not promised directly to you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.





On top of that, we are to follow the Apostles, exactly on their examples, as testified, so stop being against everything in the faith, or you will be stopped soon enough by the one whose Word you oppose...

If it is his will then so be it!

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Just because you post this passage does not mean it is about me. See I have passages too....
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:21-23

 

[gordon777]

Of course there is more than one cup. Here is one.
Mat 26:27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the[a] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
This is the cup of the Lord supper that Jesus instituted the night he was betrayed.

Here’s another
My 10:38-39 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

This cup and this baptism was still to come this has nothing to do with him being immersed in water by John the Baptist. He is referring to the suffering he will endure and tells the apostles that they too would partake of this cup of suffering. This was not given to everybody but was given directly to the apostles.
Jesus prayed to the father....remove this CUP from me.
he told Peter to put his sword away...”shall I not drink the cup the father has given me”
You are misusing these verses by taking them out of their context and creating your own doctrine

There is one baptism, the baptism was not to come, there is not more than one.


Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,





The cup that the Lord drank from, is the cup the Father has given to the Son, which is by the blood of the covenant, and just as blood was spread from the bason in the first testament, so blood was given for the second..





Genesis 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

Zechariah 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.


Exodus 24:6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.

Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

 

[gordon777]

Again....this is NOT what the Bible says. John said...
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 20:30-31
John tells me that these signs that Jesus did were written down for me so THAT I MIGHT BELIEVE. He does not even mention the Spirit.
You are right....it’s not even up for discussion. The Bible says it and that settles it. I can believe the Bible or I can believe what you say. Which way do you think I’m gonna go.

We believe because the testimony is truth, and to hear the testimony of truth we need the Spirit of truth to hear it with, as the words Jesus spoke are Spirit and are life. ( only you claim you are free to hear God without Jesus allowing you, which is through the Spirit)




John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

 

[gordon777]

Yes. I agree that they are an example to those that follow.
Were the Israelites saved before or after they went through the water? Now, as our example, are believers today saved before or after they go through the water? They are exactly the same.

Israel cant be saved before they go through the water, as the Egyptians were about to kill them, that is why they were baptized by the cloud and the water making separation for the Hebrews.


Exodus 14:20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.

Exodus 14:21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
22 And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
23 And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,


1 Corinthians 10:Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;






That is exactly how and when the Hebrews were saved, at baptism of the cloud and in the sea, and it is the same way for all to be saved now, in baptism..




1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[gordon777]

Why do you keep posting acts 2:38 when you don’t even believe in what it says?
This is a direct quote from you....
“Washing away the sins is done by be,lief in Christ, His bloods purity to wash away our impurity ( of an unbelieving heart) then the heart is purified ( through faith)”
This is NOT what Peter said in acts. He said sins are washed away or remitted after baptism. What was baptism “for”? The remission of sins. These people were already believers in vs 37 but were told that they were still in their sins. So I do not know why you post this passage since it contradicts your own doctrine.

It is with a true heart in full assurance of faith, that our hearts are sprinkled from an evil conscience, ( sprinkled through the blood of sprinkling, to be elect through sanctification of the spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. ( baptism is through that blood of sprinkling and in a pure faith our bodies are washed with pure water, and that is baptism that saves us=belief in Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 3:21)




Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

 

[gordon777]

This has nothing to do with what ever you just said above. This passage tells us there is “the faith” which is the “one faith”. And it is the gospel of Jesus Christ. You know. The one Peter preached on Pentecost. And Peter did not tell those people what you just told me so we are NOT in one mind and in one spirit.

Yes the “one baptism” is water baptism for the remission of sins that Jesus commanded through the great commission. It is the only one that was to go on until the end of the world. This makes since seeing it the ONLY baptism that washes away our sins. Mk 16:16. Acts 22:16

One faith is to believe in Jesus being righteous, to be born of Him, and He did baptize in water to fulfil all righteousness( which is to fulfil all belief in Him)


Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.




Jesus did not show a different baptism as you claim, we need to believe we can be baptized with the same baptism and drink of the same cup. ( the cup is the covenant, as the first covenant was dedicated by blood in a cup also, as there is one faith to follow, not more)




Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

 

[gordon777]

Mk 16:16. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.


"At what point did Jesus just say above that sins were removed and salvation occurred? Before or after water baptism? And we know it’s water because acts 10 settles that fact."



Sins are removed when we are dead with Him and buried in baptism, it cant be before or after that.




Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.



Baptism is our hearts purified by faith, or we are yet in an evil conscience, and our hearts are not sprinkled by the blood of sprinkling, nor our bodies washed with pure water, by a pure faith in Jesus Christ rising from the dead.

 

[gordon777]

"Please show me scripture just like I showed you that teach this nonsense that we have to believe in Jesus baptism? If it is basic then it should be written really plain and all over the place."




All scripture is for instruction in righteousness, and as the testimony tells, Jesus fulfilled ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS, through His baptism right here again for ya..




2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

 

[gordon777]

The Apostles are the same as anyone else, all hearts are purified by faith.

The comforter, the Holy Ghost, of course is the same gift the Apostles were given, it is the peace of Christ, which teaches us all things.

"No scripture there so I have to conclude that this is just your own commentary."




Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

 

[gordon777]

"Were they baptized in water yes or know? If so...at what point does the Bible say they were “purified” (sin free). After baptism! Mk 16:16. Acts 2:38. Acts 22:16. That is exactly what Peter preached and it is exactly what baptism in the name of the lord is for.....remission of sins! This is very basic Bible 101."


Hearts are purified by faith, and our heart is sprinkled from an evil conscience by the blood of sprinkling, and our bodies washed with pure water ( that is out of the belly of the Lord and that is the pure faith)

Now the baptism that saves us is the belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord. ( this is basic bible you cant quite grasp yet, as water does not purify nor give pure faith)




Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[gordon777]

"Yes. Jew and gentile. Both are saved the exact same way. The Jews on Pentecost were baptized in water for remission of sins and so were the gentiles. They both believed and were baptized in water and according to Jesus that formula equals salvation. Mk 16:16."


You have a difficult believing in the Spirit.

He that believes and is baptized, is, out of His belly flow rivers of living waters, that is the baptism of water( that is the pure water and it is by the blood of sprinkling.)

It is all by faith, and it is Spirit, Spiritual understanding,without it, nobody is able to be baptized unto Christ.( I can see you have none of it yet, but have to constantly keep ignoring and demeaning all I share with you.)





Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.



John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

 

[gordon777]

"This was not said to you and me. When did Jesus talk to you? Were you there with him 2000 years ago? If not then this was not promised directly to you."



The comforter the world cant receive, now you must be confirming you are of the world that cant receive the Holy Ghost, for Christ to dwell in us. ( this is said to me to believe in, it does not stop me because you assume to speak for me.)




John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, AND SHALL BE IN YOU.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.

 

[gordon777]

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

"Just because you post this passage does not mean it is about me"


Earthly things is what you are showing you follow so far, as our conversation is in Heaven and that is where baptism is at too, not on earth, but in the Spirit, which is Heaven.




Philippians 3:20 FOR OUR CONVERSATION IS IN HEAVEN; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:


Matthew 21:25 THE BAPTISM OF JOHN, WHENCE WAS IT? FROM HEAVEN, OR OF MEN? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?

Luke 20:4 THE BAPTISM OF JOHN, WAS IT FROM HEAVEN, OR OF MEN?

Mark 11:30 THE BAPTISM OF JOHN, WAS IT FROM HEAVEN, OR OF MEN? answer me.

 

[gordon777]

You made clear you deny that the baptism of Christ and the Apostles is for anyone else, and the cup also, that it is not the cup for anyone else.

It is madness, not even confusion, which you are infecting yourself with.

If you want the cure, stop digging your own pit, it is pitiful.

 

[gordon777]

Psalm 94:13 That thou mayest GIVE HIM REST FROM THE DAYS OF ADVERSITY, until THE PIT BE DIGGED FOR THE WICKED.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because YOUR ADVERSARY THE DEVIL, as a roaring lion, WALKETH ABOUT, SEEKING WHOM HE MAY DEVOUR: