Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

[Cnkw3]

There is one baptism, the baptism was not to come, there is not more than one.


Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

This is your verse.....
Mk 10:39 We can,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with,
This was to be future. He is referring to the cup and baptism of suffering he would have to endure. You can argue against it all you want. This has nothing to do with his water baptism.

The cup that the Lord drank from, is the cup the Father has given to the Son, which is by the blood of the covenant, and just as blood was spread from the bason in the first testament, so blood was given for the second..

The “ cup” the father gave the Lord was the one he prayed would “pass from me” but he ended with “ not my will but thine be done”. It was the suffering he would endure that would lead to the shedding of his blood.

Genesis 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

Means nothing. Completely out of context.

Zechariah 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

This again has nothing to do with the “cup” of Mk 10.

Exodus 24:6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.

Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Yes Jesus shed his blood. This says nothing of a “ cup” or baptism. You take things completely out of context. Who taught you how to study the Bible?

 

[Cnkw3]

Israel cant be saved before they go through the water, as the Egyptians were about to kill them, that is why they were baptized by the cloud and the water making separation for the Hebrews.

So if they weren’t saved until after they went through the water and according to Paul they are an example for us then we too are not saved until we come up out of the water.

Exodus 14:20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.

Exodus 14:21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
22 And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
23 And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,


1 Corinthians 10:Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;






That is exactly how and when the Hebrews were saved, at baptism of the cloud and in the sea, and it is the same way for all to be saved now, in baptism..

Good. We agree. No one is saved today until they come up out of the waters of baptism. Just like the nation of Israel back then. This makes since because who is the “Israel of God” today? The church. The body of Christ. These are the people Jesus shed his blood for.

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Yes. Again we agree. It is though water baptism that people under the new covenant are saved and become a child of God.

 

[Cnkw3]

One faith is to believe in Jesus being righteous, to be born of Him, and He did baptize in water to fulfil all righteousness( which is to fulfil all belief in Him)


Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.




Jesus did not show a different baptism as you claim, we need to believe we can be baptized with the same baptism and drink of the same cup. ( the cup is the covenant, as the first covenant was dedicated by blood in a cup also, as there is one faith to follow, not more)




Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

the “one faith” is the faith or the gospel which is the doctrine of Christ.
Rom 1. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. This is the faith that was preached. Gal 1:23
The faith that is to be contended for. Ju 3
It is “the faith” that justifies. Gal 2:16
The faith we are to be obedient to. Acts 6:7. Rom 1:5
You can’t be obedient to your own “belief”
The faith that we are to continue in. Acts 14:22
The faith we are to be established in. Acts 16:5
The one we are to stand fast in. 1 cor 16:13
Phil 1:27 with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

 

[gordon777]

This is your verse.....
Mk 10:39 We can,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with,
This was to be future. He is referring to the cup and baptism of suffering he would have to endure. You can argue against it all you want. This has nothing to do with his water baptism.

The “ cup” the father gave the Lord was the one he prayed would “pass from me” but he ended with “ not my will but thine be done”. It was the suffering he would endure that would lead to the shedding of his blood.

Means nothing. Completely out of context.

This again has nothing to do with the “cup” of Mk 10.

Yes Jesus shed his blood. This says nothing of a “ cup” or baptism. You take things completely out of context. Who taught you how to study the Bible?

Why cant we drink the same cup of the Lord, get away satan cup.



1 Corinthians 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.



The baptism is of the Holy Ghost, there is one baptism not many.



Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[gordon777]

So if they weren’t saved until after they went through the water and according to Paul they are an example for us then we too are not saved until we come up out of the water.

Good. We agree. No one is saved today until they come up out of the waters of baptism. Just like the nation of Israel back then. This makes since because who is the “Israel of God” today? The church. The body of Christ. These are the people Jesus shed his blood for.

Yes. Again we agree. It is though water baptism that people under the new covenant are saved and become a child of God.

We are saved by faith, Israel had none, we are not saved by water but by the Lords Spirit.

That is we See Jesus was baptized( anointed) of the Holy Ghost to baptize us with the same..




Zechariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

 

[gordon777]

the “one faith” is the faith or the gospel which is the doctrine of Christ.
Rom 1. The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. This is the faith that was preached. Gal 1:23
The faith that is to be contended for. Ju 3
It is “the faith” that justifies. Gal 2:16
The faith we are to be obedient to. Acts 6:7. Rom 1:5
You can’t be obedient to your own “belief”
The faith that we are to continue in. Acts 14:22
The faith we are to be established in. Acts 16:5
The one we are to stand fast in. 1 cor 16:13
Phil 1:27 with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Faith is purification, not water.




Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.





Faith is not in water on earth, but in the eater from the Lords belly.



John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

[Cnkw3]

We are saved by faith, Israel had none, we are not saved by water but by the Lords Spirit.

They had enough faith to walk through the Red Sea. Isnt that why they were saved? Now they perished in the wilderness because they didn’t remain faithful.

 

[gordon777]

They had enough faith to walk through the Red Sea. Isnt that why they were saved? Now they perished in the wilderness because they didn’t remain faithful.

The sea was parted that is why the Egyptians perished in the sea as they went in after them. ( why are you showing every word you speak has no faith/belief /knowledge of God in it)


Exodus 15:4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

 

[gordon777]

They were saved because God opened up the sea for the Hebrews and closed the sea on the Egyptians.

They were saved from Egypt, and died the same way the Egyptians died, without faith/belief/knowledge of the Lord.


That is why they spoke to God to never hear His voice any more.



Deuteronomy 5:25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.

 

[Cnkw3]

The sea was parted that is why the Egyptians perished in the sea as they went in after them. ( why are you showing every word you speak has no faith/belief /knowledge of God in it)


Exodus 15:4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

I didn’t ask how the Egyptians perished. The difference between the two....
The Israelites were told to go through the sea. They did what God said. This is FAITH.
The Egyptians were never told to go through the sea. They did what they wanted to do for selfish reasons and they ultimately perished. This is lack of faith. This ultimately is what condemned Israel in the wilderness.
All faith is? DOING WHAT GOD TELLS YOU TO DO.

 

[Benadam]

"all righteousness" refers to the righteousness of a life successfully resisting temptation to sin.

As soon as Jesus was Baptized into the life of John the Baptist He was ' driven' into the desert by the Holy Spirit to be tempted by the devil.
He was driven into John the Baptists experience of a sinners righteousness.

And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

 

[gordon777]

"all righteousness" refers to the righteousness of a life successfully resisting temptation to sin.

As soon as Jesus was Baptized into the life of John the Baptist He was ' driven' into the desert by the Holy Spirit to be tempted by the devil.
He was driven into John the Baptists experience of a sinners righteousness.

Jesus came to us in the way of righteousness, the same as it is told that John came to us in the way of righteousness.

That way of righteousness is what causes man to believe in God.

The way of righteousness that John spoke was, to prepare the way of the Lord, to make His paths straight.

The word that Jesus Christ spoke to us, was peace. ( the righteousness of the Kingdom of heaven, which we are to seek.)





Matthew 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 21:32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.


Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all





Yes Jesus shows how to resist temptation.

But no, that is not the kingdom of heavens righteousness we are to seek, that is just the evil we are to not seek. ( of the temptations of satan.)

Jesus was baptized of John, because the kingdom of heaven is taught exactly that way by Jesus, to sit in the least places, ( Jesus lowering Himself down for baptism by man, which He did as example, along with being meek and lowly , our King riding a donkey.) and we have to HUMBLE OURSELVES ALSO AS A LITTLE CHILD AS JESUS DID.





Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

Matthew 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

Luke 14:7 And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them.
8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
9 And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;





Now that is the cup of Christ and His baptism, which all the exalted cannot possibly neither understand or acknowledge, nor drink, but deny and refuse.