Are You a Fundamentalist?

[KevinK]

Uh, no. He cut off his head and slew him. Both transpired.

"and slew him, and cut off his head"

Reread the passages from my post #70. I even underlined the twice-used phrase "and slew him".

 

[turnorburn]

Reread the passages from my post #70. I even underlined the twice-used phrase "and slew him".

i thought this subject was blowing the thread off topic?

tob

 

[smaller]

Reread the passages from my post #70. I even underlined the twice-used phrase "and slew him".

I would say you have a personal inference to read it that way and nothing more. It can just as easily be read that David slew G, and cut off his head, in that order. The second statement can certain point to the first "slew."

If someone really wanted to emphasize your angle, we could just as easily say that drawing the sword from the sheaf is what "slew" G.

51 Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him,

 

[turnorburn]

The answer is there Kevin, ask the Lord to show you, I'm off to bed..

tob

 

[KevinK]

I would say you have a personal inference to read it that way and nothing more. It can just as easily be read that David slew G, and cut off his head, in that order. The second statement can certain point to the first "slew."

If someone really wanted to emphasize your angle, we could just as easily say that drawing the sword from the sheaf is what "slew" G.

51 Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him,

This is not a personal inference. This is a well-known Biblical contradiction. I did not make it up myself. Google it; a lot will come up.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

AH, semantics. So what? Now you're a member of the immoral minority? And many of the first shall be made last, and many of the last shall be made first. What a crazy race we run.

The immoral minority?
Is that a real group?
If I join do I get a membership card?

 

[smaller]

This is not a personal inference. This is a well-known Biblical contradiction. I did not make it up myself. Google it; a lot will come up.

I'm not surprised that a lot of people waste their time over such matters and base their utter lack of understandings on what they think they see, as if scripture is a hard math formula and they get to do a contrived "gotcha!" with scripture and or God's Word.

 

[reba]

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[reba]

cut off his head is the manor of how he was slain. ...

 

[childeye]

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The immoral minority?
Is that a real group?
If I join do I get a membership card?

Yes, it is a real group in the minds of those who believe they are the moral majority. You don't get a membership card. To be a member you have to not have a membership card of the moral majority.

 

[childeye]

This is not a personal inference. This is a well-known Biblical contradiction. I did not make it up myself. Google it; a lot will come up.

No offense intended Kevin, but to me this is more like poor articulation rather than a contradiction.

 

[smaller]

No offense intended Kevin, but to me this is more like poor articulation rather than a contradiction.

Transliterations have issues. Languages aren't meant to blend perfectly, and won't. The Hebrew language in use today had to be reconstructed. It may or may not be perfectly identical to original manuscripts, nor do I think it's all that important to the concepts presented in any cases of languages. The O.T. should be understood through the Words of Jesus in any case and He "probably" spoke whatever version of Hebrew was in vogue at the time, and probably had a Perfect Handle on "how" it was spoken and delivered prior. He also "probably" spoke Aramaic. (and whatever other language there might be in the universe, if there was needs to do so, which there wasn't, that we can tell.)

I doubt very much that the 'jot's and tittle's of the "Words of God" changed at all quite frankly or we'd have records of Jesus giving language correction lessons to the scribes of the day.

 

[Free]

Transliterations have issues.

I think you mean translations have issues.

Kevin's earlier point is very clear though: 1 Sam. 17 has Goliath being killed twice, once by a stone in verse 50 and a second time in verse 51. Not that it is a big issue.

 

[smaller]

I think you mean translations have issues.

No, I meant "transliterations" meaning trying to directly translate from one language to another, as opposed to "paraphrasing" meaning generally translating by the "ideas" trying to be conveyed. Both have issues, the latter having many more issues.

Kevin's earlier point is very clear though: 1 Sam. 17 has Goliath being killed twice, once by a stone in verse 50 and a second time in verse 51. Not that it is a big issue.

Not worth the time. Can be read numerous ways, as prior noted.

 

[KevinK]

Good morning, everyone.

My point in pointing out these admittedly minor discrepancies is simply to explain why I do not subscribe to a fundamentalist (100% literalist) interpretation of the Bible. I feel you must work a bit harder to understand the essential truths contained in scripture, and that's really a good thing. The vast majority of the Bible is true; it's our life work to figure out what it is.

 

[turnorburn]

Good morning, everyone.

My point in pointing out these admittedly minor discrepancies is simply to explain why I do not subscribe to a fundamentalist (100% literalist) interpretation of the Bible. I feel you must work a bit harder to understand the essential truths contained in scripture, and that's really a good thing. The vast majority of the Bible is true; it's our life work to figure out what it is.

They aren't discrepancies if you keep everything in text, did you ask the Lord last night?

tob

 

[KevinK]

They aren't discrepancies if you keep everything in text,

This is OK.

...did you ask the Lord last night?

This is not OK. It is an ad hominem argument, addressing the speaker rather than the issue. Mods?

 

[turnorburn]

This is OK.

This is not OK. It is an ad hominem argument, addressing the speaker rather than the issue. Mods?

Ah the voice of experience you've done this before..

tob

 

[Free]

No, I meant "transliterations" meaning trying to directly translate from one language to another, as opposed to "paraphrasing" meaning generally translating by the "ideas" trying to be conveyed. Both have issues, the latter having many more issues.

I think what you meant is "translations," which is translating from one language to another. To transliterate is to change the characters of a word into the corresponding characters of a different language:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transliterate

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/transliterate

As examples, "logos" and "Theos" are transliterations, with "Word" and "God" being the English translations, respectively. "Logos" and "Theos" are essentially still Greek words, they have just been changed to English letters so an English speaking person can read them without learning the Greek alphabet, but apart from knowing what the Greek words are, an English speaking person would not understand what was written.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/logos.html

 

[KevinK]

Ah the voice of experience you've done this before..

tob

As have you.