Are You Able to Disprove this Evidence for When Jesus Said He Would Return?

[OSASArminian]

One fact is enough for us, however, which is, that we know the Anointed One did come after the sixty-nine sevens (seven sevens plus sixty-two sevens). From the time of the decree concerning the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the moment of the coming of the Anointed One, there were to be four hundred eighty-three years. Now that the sixty-nine sevens have already passed and the Anointed One (Christ) has also come, what is left is the last seven. By the way, there is exactly 173,880 days from Nisan 1, 444 BC (declaration to rebuild the temple) to March 28, 33 AD (Gregorian). The 4 day inspection of the lamb is March 28, 29, 30, 31. April 1, 33 AD, Friday was when Jesus died. That's April Fool's Day as Satan mocks Jesus. He died on Passover in 33 AD. As soon as the last seven is fulfilled the children of Israel will receive the fullness of blessing of Daniel 9.24. However, within the seven years of the death of Christ, was there any day which could have been deemed as a time when transgression was finished for the children of Israel and upon Jerusalem? No, not even a single day. And have there not been over nineteen hundred more years since the time of Christ and still no end of transgression? Hence, it is quite evident that the seventieth seven did not follow immediately after the sixty-nine sevens nor around 70 AD either.

 

[Stormcrow]

I only know what I am doing. Mark Biltz needs to come to speed with what I am doing.

I'll keep believing Christ and His words, as I've repeatedly posted them here.

 

[OSASArminian]

"The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." All students of Revelation know that this refers to the Romans. Are Romans Jesus' people? After the death of Christ the Jews incurred God’s severe judgment: the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem and its temple sanctuary in 70 A.D. Since the term "the people" refers to the Romans, many accordingly think that the term "the prince" obviously points to the Roman prince Titus who led the Romans. But there are many reasons to refute this conclusion. Why is it that the Scripture here does not say the prince shall destroy the city but rather says the people of the prince? Although the prince must work through his people, it is still unnatural to say the people and not directly say the prince. Since the Holy Spirit mentions both the prince and the people, while nevertheless putting a primary emphasis on the people, can it be that He is implying by this that these people represent the people of that prince who is yet to come? If so, then the prince in question here is not Titus, and the people who attacked Jerusalem in the former day were in spirit and in attitude morally the people of the future prince. This prince whom Daniel prophecies about will be a world renown figure in the future, who is the Antichrist. "The prince that shall come" is therefore the Antichrist.

 

[OSASArminian]

"A heart so filled with oneself has little room for anyone or anything else."

Anonymous

You keep doing what you're doing. I'll keep believing Christ and His words, as I've repeatedly posted them here.

I thought Preterism taught Jesus already returned, but that conflicts with the fact we are also told we will all know it when He returns. Do we all know it?

Since Mark Biltz is caught in the act of being wrong in his 2008-2015 prediction and I can see why he is wrong because he doesn't believe in partial rapture, perhaps it would be advisable he understand how partial rapture works. I'm just saying it would seem to be a logical step to take. I don't think people should engross themselves over a person's work which has been shown to be wrong as you seem to be insisting we still do.

 

[OSASArminian]

"The end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined" (v.26). "The end" here is not the end of the city nor of the sanctuary. According to correct grammatical construction, "the end thereof" should be connected to the phrase "the prince that shall come." The fulfillment did not come at the time of Titus but is yet to come in the future. The people of the prince who shall come shall destroy this city and the sanctuary, but "the end thereof" (that is to say, the end of the prince)* shall come as a flood. We know that this superman is soon to come, and the world will have no peace. But thank God, we shall be gone before the Antichrist arrives.

* The Revised Standard Version (1952) recognizes this construction of the verse, as follows: ". . . and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. His end shall come with a flood . . ." (9.26 mg.)

 

[OSASArminian]

"And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" (v.27a Darby). The preceding verse tells us of the destructive actions of Antichrist; this next verse continues to speak of his action. The last seven is divided into two halves. At the beginning of the last seven, the Antichrist will confirm a covenant with many. This covenant is not the Old Covenant which God singularly covenanted with His people, for the use of the indefinite article "a" here proves it. The phrase "the many" with the use of the definite article "the" refers to a special group of people — even the Jews. So that this covenant will be a political pact between the Jews and the Antichrist. The duration of the pact is to be seven years, but in the middle of this term of years Antichrist will break it. This is the meaning of the words, "he shall think to change the times and the law," found in chapter 7 and verse 25. Here we may see the similarity disclosed between this prince and the little horn mentioned in chapter 7.

 

[OSASArminian]

In the midst of these seven years in question, Antichrist shall break the covenant, and thus the rest of this period of the seven (that is to say, three years and a half) shall be in his hand. During these three and a half years he shall also wear out the saints (7.25). And during the same three and a half years, this little horn will attempt to change time and season, and cause sacrifice and oblation to cease. At the present moment the Jews have neither sacrifice nor oblation; but in the future these will be restored. We now have seen the beginning of the return of the Jews to Palestine from the early part of the century and have also heard of their desire to restore these things. The end is truly near.

 

[OSASArminian]

Why will the Antichrist cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease? Because at that time he will speak blasphemously against God (see ch. 7). Since sacrifice and oblation are offered to God, he will naturally forbid them. "And upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end" (v.27b). "The wing of abominations" speaks of idols. In the temple of God the wings of the cherubim covered the ark. Yet Antichrist shall enter God’s temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thess. 2), thus having the wings of abominations. Due to this idolatry, God will permit desolations to extend for three and a half years until the end of the seventy sevens. "And that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate" (v.27c). The desolate is Jerusalem. As the end of the seventy sevens approaches, the nations shall gather to attack Jerusalem. Then shall the Lord fight for her (Zech. 14.1-6). And so shall the word of Daniel 9.24 be fulfilled.

 

[OSASArminian]

We may here perceive just how Satan uses man. Antichrist is only a man; but by his obeying Satan he is given devilish power to rule over nations. Though his actual coming is still in the future, nonetheless even in 70 A.D. the Romans had already become Antichrist’s people! For they had his spirit. Today we see the many turmoils among the nations. Satan is actually manipulating at the back. He gives power to this person and to that, using many in the political arena as his puppets to disturb the world. The last person he is to use will be the Antichrist. We can even now discern that the spirit of Antichrist is already working everywhere. The most revealing character of the Antichrist is his lawlessness (2 Thess. 2). If we open our eyes to the affairs of this age, we shall know how rampant lawlessness has become. At every level of society there are lawless people. In every profession, the lawless form the majority. It seems as though there is but a thin line between people and the outbreak of lawlessness. Once one yields to lawlessness, that one is forever caught.

For this reason, we who believe in the Lord and are bought with His blood ought at this hour to resist together with one mind Satan and his works both in our spirits as well as in our prayers. Pray that God will enable His Church to know the victory of the cross in order that the saints may have the experience of ascension. The sins of the world need to be judged. The Church of Christ needs to be matured for first rapture!

 

[Stormcrow]

{25} Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Messiah is the subject of this passage.

{26} And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people [ROMANS] of the prince [TITUS] that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

See the phrase that begins with "and the people?" It's paranthetical to the subject, which is Messiah! Read it that way!

{27} And he [MESSIAH] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for [BECAUSE OF] the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Daniel 9:25-27 (KJV)

Now, what is the covenant Messiah makes???

God tells Isaiah:

{6} "I am the LORD, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You, And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, {7} To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon And those who dwell in darkness from the prison. {8} "I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images. {9} "Behold, the former things have come to pass, Now I declare new things; Before they spring forth I proclaim them to you." Isaiah 42:6-9 (NASB)

And how was this fulfilled???

{27} And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; {28} for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26:27-28 (NASB)

Christ, whose blood was shed to confirm the covenant and whose death put an end to sacrifice, is the one who opened the seals of judgment upon Jerusalem and Judea for their abominations!


{8} When He [Christ] had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. {9} And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. Revelation 5:8-9 (NASB)

Who do you think judged Jerusalem for its abominations??? The Bible I read said Christ did, and used the Romans to execute judgment, just as He had used the Assyrians and Babylonians before!!!


Christ is the only one worthy to judge ANYONE for their sins. This whole passage is about Christ, not some futuristic "boogeyman." :bigfrown

 

[OSASArminian]

{25} Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Messiah is the subject of this passage.

{26} And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people [ROMANS] of the prince [TITUS] that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

See the phrase that begins with "and the people?" It's paranthetical to the subject, which is Messiah! Read it that way!

{27} And he [MESSIAH]
shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the
midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and
for [BECAUSE OF] the overspreading of abominations he shall make it
desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon
the desolate. Daniel 9:25-27 (KJV)

Where did Jesus make any covenant for 7 years? Jesus was cut off after the 69th unit of seven years. For Jesus to make a covenant for 7 years and in the middle be cut off on the cross would mean that the first half of the 70th seven overlaps the 2nd half of the 69th seven. That makes no sense at all and is totally inconsistent with the consecutive usage of the other 69 sevens. Therefore, you must revert to "he" being the Antichrist because he can be neither Jesus nor Titus.

Now, what is the covenant Messiah makes???

God tells Isaiah:

{6} "I am the LORD, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You, And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, {7} To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon And those who dwell in darkness from the prison. {8} "I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images. {9} "Behold, the former things have come to pass, Now I declare new things; Before they spring forth I proclaim them to you." Isaiah 42:6-9 (NASB)

And how was this fulfilled???

{27} And when He had taken a cup and given
thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; {28} for this is My blood of the covenant,
which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 26:27-28 (NASB)

Christ, whose blood was shed to confirm the covenant and whose death put an
end to sacrifice, is the one who opened the seals of judgment upon Jerusalem and
Judea for their abominations!

Dan. 9.26 is the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD which is 37 years after the cross. But then you take verse 27 and go backwards 37 years to the cross. That makes no sense. Dan. 9.27 follows Dan. 9.26 so what occurs in Dan. 9.27 is after 70 AD and thus pertains to the Antichrist. His people destroyed the Temple in 70 AD. Seals 2 to 4 in Revelation have no association with Israel. They are general in nature, thus depicting the past 20 centuries.

{8} When He [Christ] had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. {9} And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. Revelation 5:8-9 (NASB)

Who do you think judged Jerusalem for its abominations??? The Bible I read said Christ did, and used the Romans to execute judgment, just as He had used the Assyrians and Babylonians before!!!

Christ is the only one worthy to judge ANYONE for their sins. This whole passage is about Christ, not some futuristic "boogeyman."

Jesus will use evil to judge. Absolutely! But they are not "his people". They would be the people in spirit of this real person who you call a boogeyman, none other than Neron Kaisar resurrected whose name comes to 666 (Rev. 13.18) in Aramaic--one of the five fallen Caesars ("five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come" Rev. 17.10). John wrote this around 95 AD.

Dan. 9.24 is certainly not fulfilled in any regard: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Who can say Israel ("thy holy people") do not sin anymore? When did the Temple get anointed because of Jesus' death in 33 AD? How is it everlasting righteousness when there is the destruction of the Temple 37 years later? Who can say the millennial kingdom has started for Jesus has not returned yet, and everlasting righteousness certainly does not describe the world today. I see transgressions all around. Reconciliation for iniquity has certainly not played out yet. The cross is only a start. The time of recompense, the millennium, has not yet begun. The nations are still deceived (Rev. 20.3). No holy Temple, no way to annoint it. Hence, vision and prophecy are still sealed as in the Seals of the past 20 centuries. The 6th Seal has begun to be broken open with the Japan 2011 earthquake (Rev. 6.12).

When you claim these things are fulfilled and you see the world today, your conscience shows itself to be seared, for though Jesus' blood atones for sins for forgiveness these all arching themes remain unfulfilled, and only those in Christ can find power over sin and self having died on the cross with Christ.

I don't know how you are going to be able to get around this. Daniel, therefore, must have in view a future Antichrist when speaking of the people of the prince who will break a 7 year political deal, and his end "shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined" through these past 20 centuries and the final 7 year Tribulation.

Since John wrote the book of Revelation 95 AD, or thereabouts, he is not going over 70 AD but the end of this age.

 

[Lehigh3]

Shortly come to pass in the backdrop of a trillion years, 2000 years is very short.

Nope. Jesus didn't say anything like that. His words are clear. I said disprove them without twisting them.

Sorry, Preterism stands. Want to try again to disprove Christ's words? I know you will fail!

 

[OSASArminian]

Nope. Jesus didn't say anything like that. His words are clear. I said disprove them without twisting them.

Sorry, Preterism stands. Want to try again to disprove Christ's words? I know you will fail!

This just puts it into context. 1000 years is a day to the Lord.

I am glad you couldn't overturn the previous post which shows why preterism is false.

And when Jesus returns we will all know it. Jesus never returned in 70 AD. I guess you lose.

 

[reba]

There is only one preterist on the forum that i know of. I say that because preterism comes in varying degrees like most every thing else. Most end time topics will hit on preterism while a deeper preterist discussion belongs in the preterist sub forum.

Many here have differing views on many subjects. A good thing about forums one can talk about ideas with out offending a fellow church member.

There are plenty of forums where every one must agree to be allowed to post. We strive to be a bet more open and let folks hear more than one idea.

Good ol Peter and Paul did not always agree.

leaving the link to the TOS.

Announcements - General Talk reba

 

[joseph]

Reba, that is an awesome point regarding Peter & Paul.

Sent from my ADR6300

 

[Stormcrow]

Where did Jesus make any covenant for 7 years?

The covenant He made was eternal. He confirmed the eternal covenant by His earthly ministry, which was cut in half by His crucifixion!

See the thread Cyberseeker put up about Daniel's 42nd week!

 

[Sinthesis]

One can't confirm (strengthen) a covenant that does not already exist. Only some believed in Jesus, thus only some saw Jesus as confirmation that God had kept the covenant and finally sent the Jewish Messiah.

 

[OSASArminian]

The covenant He made was eternal. He confirmed the eternal covenant by His earthly ministry, which was cut in half by His crucifixion!

See the thread Cyberseeker put up about Daniel's 42nd week!

Jesus never made a covenant for 7 years towards His cross. When did an end of transgressions take place after Jesus died? Where was the everlasting righteousness and regeneration of the world? That comes later. Israel is still in sin.

Just as the 69 sevens were consecutive, so follows the 70th seven. Hence, the second half of the 69th seven doesn't overlap the first half of the 70th seven. The 70th set of seven years has yet to begin. It is none other than the 7 year Tribulation in which the Antichrist stops Israel's sacrifices in the 3rd Temple half way through the Tribulation (Dan. 9.27).

Historicists are wrong, waitin for a false Christ. Repent.

 

[OSASArminian]

One can't confirm (strengthen) a covenant that does not already exist. Only some believed in Jesus, thus only some saw Jesus as confirmation that God had kept the covenant and finally sent the Jewish Messiah.

Dan. 9.24 pertains to the world, so obviously not all these things have happened yet. And the people of the prince who destroy the Temple in 70 are certainly not Jesus' people. They are unregenerates.

 

[OSASArminian]

Daniel’s Seventy Sevens​

After Daniel had confessed the sins of his people, God sent Gabriel to say this to him: "Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy" (v.24). Since Daniel prayed to God for His people and His holy city, God in His answer also mentioned "thy people and thy holy city." Let us understand that "thy people" points to the children of Israel, and "thy holy city" refers to Jerusalem. What God means is this: When the seventy sevens are passed, the transgression of Israel and the holy city will be finished, their sins will come to an end, their iniquity will receive reconciliation, and the everlasting righteousness will be brought to them. Have all these been fulfilled? No, the children of Israel continue today to be "Lo-ammi . . . not my people" (Hosea 1.9). Hence her restoration is yet in the future. These things still remain unfulfilled because the prophecy concerning the seventy sevens has not been fulfilled. But at the second coming of the Lord Jesus, all the prophecies shall be fulfilled.

We know the Anointed One did come after the sixty-nine sevens (seven sevens plus sixty-two sevens). From the time of the decree concerning the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the moment of the coming of the Anointed One, there were to be four hundred eighty-three years. Now that the sixty-nine sevens have already passed and the Anointed One (Christ) has also come, what is left is the last seven. As soon as the last seven is fulfilled the children of Israel will receive the fullness of blessing of Daniel 9.24. However, within the seven years of the death of Christ, was there any day which could have been deemed as a time when transgression was finished for the children of Israel and upon Jerusalem? No, not even a single day. And have there not been over nineteen hundred more years since the time of Christ and still no end of transgression? Hence, it is quite evident that the seventieth seven did not follow immediately after the sixty-nine sevens.

Why is it that this one seven has not been fulfilled and that the children of Israel have not yet received the full blessing? Because "after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and shall have nothing." Christ has died, and consequently the children of Israel did not receive the blessing. It was because they would not receive Him with willing hearts but crucified Him instead, and therefore punishment came upon them. "The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" (v.26). When the Jews insisted on killing the Lord Jesus, they openly declared: "His blood be on us, and on our children" (Matt. 27.25). Naturally God is treating them according to their own word by temporarily rejecting them and showing grace towards the Gentiles. But after the number of the Gentiles has been fulfilled, He will give grace once again to the children of Israel. And at that time, this last seven shall be fulfilled. As soon as the last seven is over, God will deliver the children of Israel according to promise (Dan. 9.24).

"The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary." All students of Revelation know that this refers to the Romans. After the death of Christ the Jews incurred God’s severe judgment: the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem and its temple sanctuary in 70 A.D. Since the term "the people" refers to the Romans, many accordingly think that the term "the prince" obviously points to the Roman prince Titus who led the Romans. But there are many reasons to refute this conclusion. Why is it that the Scripture here does not say the prince shall destroy the city but rather says the people of the prince? Although the prince must work through his people, it is still unnatural to say the people and not directly say the prince. Since the Holy Spirit mentions both the prince and the people, while nevertheless putting a primary emphasis on the people, can it be that He is implying by this that these people represent the people of that prince who is yet to come? If so, then the prince in question here is not Titus, and the people who attacked Jerusalem in the former day were in spirit and in attitude morally the people of the future prince. This prince whom Daniel prophecies about will be a world renown figure in the future, who is the Antichrist. "The prince that shall come" is therefore the Antichrist.

"The end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined" (v.26). "The end" here is not the end of the city nor of the sanctuary. According to correct grammatical construction, "the end thereof" should be connected to the phrase "the prince that shall come." The fulfillment did not come at the time of Titus but is yet to come in the future. The people of the prince who shall come shall destroy this city and the sanctuary, but "the end thereof" (that is to say, the end of the prince)* shall come as a flood. We know that this superman is soon to come, and the world will have no peace. But thank God, we shall be gone before the Antichrist arrives.

* The Revised Standard Version (1952) recognizes this construction of the verse, as follows: ". . . and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. His end shall come with a flood . . ." (9.26 mg.).

"And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" (v.27a Darby). The preceding verse tells us of the destructive actions of Antichrist; this next verse continues to speak of his action. The last seven is divided into two halves. At the beginning of the last seven, the Antichrist will confirm a covenant with many. This covenant is not the Old Covenant which God singularly covenanted with His people, for the use of the indefinite article "a" here proves it. The phrase "the many" with the use of the definite article "the" refers to a special group of people — even the Jews. So that this covenant will be a political pact between the Jews and the Antichrist. The duration of the pact is to be seven years, but in the middle of this term of years Antichrist will break it. This is the meaning of the words, "he shall think to change the times and the law," found in chapter 7 and verse 25. Here we may see the similarity disclosed between this prince and the little horn mentioned in chapter 7.

In the midst of these seven years in question, Antichrist shall break the covenant, and thus the rest of this period of the seven (that is to say, three years and a half) shall be in his hand. During these three and a half years he shall also wear out the saints (7.25). And during the same three and a half years, this little horn will attempt to change time and season, and cause sacrifice and oblation to cease. At the present moment the Jews have neither sacrifice nor oblation; but in the future these will be restored. We have seen the the return of the Jews to Palestine and have also heard of their desire to restore the Temple. The end is truly near.

Why will the Antichrist cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease? Because at that time he will speak blasphemously against God (see ch. 7). Since sacrifice and oblation are offered to God, he will naturally forbid them. "And upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end" (v.27b). "The wing of abominations" speaks of idols. In the temple of God the wings of the cherubim covered the ark. Yet Antichrist shall enter God’s temple and proclaim himself God (2 Thess. 2), thus having the wings of abominations. Due to this idolatry, God will permit desolations to extend for three and a half years until the end of the seventy sevens. "And that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate" (v.27c). The desolate is Jerusalem. As the end of the seventy sevens approaches, the nations shall gather to attack Jerusalem. Then shall the Lord fight for her (Zech. 14.1-6). And so shall the word of Daniel 9.24 be fulfilled.

We may here perceive just how Satan uses man. Antichrist is only a man; but by his obeying Satan he is given devilish power to rule over nations. Though his actual coming is still in the future, nonetheless even in 70 A.D. the Romans had already become Antichrist’s people! For they had his spirit. Today we see the many turmoils among the nations. Satan is actually manipulating at the back. He gives power to this person and to that, using many in the political arena as his puppets to disturb the world. The last person he is to use will be the Antichrist.

The Church of Christ needs to be matured for rapture!