Are you prolife or prochoice?

[atmosphere]

pro-life or pro-choice doesn't matter- if you take away someone's rights to do something (especially when it comes to their own body) then you're taking away their God given gift of free choice. now i will say certain times that some abortions are performed are worse than others... The first trimester is plenty of time to know one is pregnant, so that is when i feel the decision should be made. after that is just really sad...
people (whether you believe it or not) have ways of justifying to themselves when something is and isn't right- it's not up to you to judge or stop them unless it directly affects your life... that's God's job.

i'm 23, i have a son, as well as an abortion under my belt- call me evil or "un-Christian"... but this is how it is- i don't regret my decision, because that's just a stupid way to live, and i will not try to put a stop to someone making a decision for themselves.

censorship is evil- no matter how you look at it- even if it's "censoring" something "evil"... taking the option from someone to come to their own conclusion is, in every sense of the word, wrong. How can someone know good, if you're hiding the bad? how can they determine what is and what should never be? that is how we learn...

 

[Steve]

Well, I'm certainly not here to condemn you. My position, which I have kept intact, is that I really DON'T know what my real attitude is on abortion.
However, I NEVER, NEVER advise anyone to have one, or verbally approve of it.

 

[Blue-Lightning]

if you take away someone's rights to do something (especially when it comes to their own body) then you're taking away their God given gift of free choice.

#1) Nobody has the right to destroy another person
#2) Nobody has full rights to their own body (I can't use it to harm others)
#3) It is up to society to condemn negative choices of free will

people (whether you believe it or not) have ways of justifying to themselves when something is and isn't right- it's not up to you to judge or stop them unless it directly affects your life... that's God's job.

Okay, by that logic I shouldn't stop a person with a gun from killing someone in the street. By that logic I shouldn't help an elderly person who is being mugged... it doesn't directly effect my life and I shouldn't make a moral judgment.

censorship is evil- no matter how you look at it- even if it's "censoring" something "evil"... taking the option from someone to come to their own conclusion is, in every sense of the word, wrong.

Murder, rape, arsony, defemation, burglary, treason, parental neglect, abuse, child pornography - why is it okay to "censor" all of these acts but not okay to "censor" abortion?

BL

 

[atmosphere]

i've written what i've written- i can't say any more... i'm not saying i'd ever advise someone else to have an abortion- obviously i'd rather they keep the child. i don't regret my decision, though not a day goes by that i don't think about the child i would have had with her... but it's not up to anyone on this planet to decide for someone (about abortions here, lets stay on the topic) what they should and shouldn't do- let alone tell them what they can and cannot do.

 

[Grace Alone]

Atmosphere:

Do you believe that a fetus is a human being?
Do you believe that abortion is murder?
Do you believe murder is okay?

I'm not saying this to be judgemental towards decisions you've had to make in your life. We all make wrong choice - we all sin. My intention is only to get you to think about your position on this issue. You claim to protect choice, and you say you have no right to make choices for anyone else, yet people are making choices every day for little children who cannot yet choose for themselves.

but it's not up to anyone on this planet to decide for someone (about abortions here, lets stay on the topic) what they should and shouldn't do- let alone tell them what they can and cannot do.

It's not up to anyone on this planet to decide for an unborn child (who is completely innocent) that they don't deserve to live.

 

[*AlwayzADreamer*]

I'm pro-life.

 

[way2groovy1]

It breaks my heart that some people do not see or choose not to see that the baby (who at 3 weeks the backbone, spinal column, and nervous system are forming. The kidneys, liver, and intestines are taking shape. By 5 weeks the baby is the size of a raisin and their little heart begins to beat) is a human being. What happened to their choice? Do you think they would choose to die? Would you?

These lives are being thrown away.

Years ago, while giving an anesthetic for a ruptured tubal pregnancy (at two months) I was handed what I believed to be the smallest human being ever seen. The embryo sac was intact and transparent. Within the sac was a tiny human male, swimming extremely vigorously in the amnionic fluid, while attached to the wall by the umbilical cord. The tiny human was perfectly developed, with long, tapering fingers, feet and toes. It was almost transparent as regards to the skin, and the delicate arteries and veins were prominent to the ends of the fingers. The baby was extremely alive and did not look at all like the photos and drawings of 'embryos' which I have seen. When the sac was opened, the tiny human immediately lost its life and took on what is accepted as the appearance of an embryo at this stage, blunt extremities, etc.


- Paul E. Rockwell, M.D

 

[*AlwayzADreamer*]

Well...before I said pro-life, but I think there are some exceptions. Like if a girl was raped, I think she should have the choice if she wants an abortion. But for the most part, I feel that if someone thinks they are responsible enough to have sex, then they need to be responsible and not take an easy way out by having an abortion.

 

[Heidi Mighty Mo]

I hope I don't sound harsh here but I have a problem when people say they are prolife except when it is a rape situation. What you are saying is that since it was rape, then the baby isn't worth saving. Rape is a horrible thing but it is not the fault of the resulting baby - which, BTW, is a rather rare occurance in a rape situation.

You are either pro-life or pro-choice, no need to ride the fence. If you are pro-life then you consider the zygote and fetus are human and worthy of living, if you are pro-choice then it is just a hunk of tissue that has no value. If you believe it is human, than it still is human even if the baby is a conceived by rape.

 

[mcrees]

pro-life or pro-choice doesn't matter- if you take away someone's rights to do something (especially when it comes to their own body) then you're taking away their God given gift of free choice.

If this is the case then hard drugs should be legalized. After all it is their body, if they choose to destroy it their gift of free choice.

 

[atmosphere]

mcrees:

If this is the case then hard drugs should be legalized. After all it is their body, if they choose to destroy it their gift of free choice.

off the subject, but yes... if you want to get on a discussion of hard drugs- let's go... it is their body- if they want to destroy it, by all means- i'm not going to stop you... i'll do my damnedest to teach you about God so that heroin isn't an option- but if that's the road you want to take... well, i love you- but you're allowed to make your own decisions...

Grace Alone:

You claim to protect choice, and you say you have no right to make choices for anyone else, yet people are making choices every day for little children who cannot yet choose for themselves.

taking away an option and making a choice for someone, are two separate things... telling someone they are not allowed to decide for themselves is wrong- educating them on the other options is right... show them that with trust in God all things are possible- even the ability to raise a child with less than comfortable income (or whatever reason they would want to have an abortion).

...actually, you know what? screw it. it has no effect on my life what-so-ever if abortions remain legal or not. i don't care- there are other things to worry about right now. this argument has no end, that is why it's been going on for so long... i wouldn't go as far to say it's "murder"... but i also wouldn't go as far to say that a fetus (however old) isn't "human"... it has to be something, so sure- let's call it human. that doesn't change the fact that it's inside of another human... and while there, it is a part of that human-

okay- someone said an abortion is the "easy" way out- yeah right, ever had one? or walked with your girl through the mob of people who are making her feel worse than she already feels? -holding her hand and being there for her... providing her as much comfort as you possibly can through this horrific ordeal? knowing that the window of opportunity for such a decision is small- but the decision itself is quite large... ever sit up at night thinking about it, having mixed feelings about your decision... wondering if it was better for all three of you to just end it? wondering what your life would be like now had you gone the other way? yeah- it's an insane thing to think about... imagine yourself having to make such a decision. it sucks. so don't tell me it's the "easy way out," because it's not. ...unless you're a prostitute.

all i know is, God doesn't like it. i'm sure. but the problem with most people who have abortions- they don't know God... or what faith in Him can do for you and the quasi-human inside the womb. making it illegal isn't going to help that. all you're going to do is cast out all those girls who are lost, and feel no hope- perhaps upping the suicide rate, which would be what? murder-suicide?
i remember a woman screaming at us as we entered the Planned Parenthood, holding a bible and saying "you're sending your baby to the hands of the devil!" now, i don't know much- but if she read that book she was holding, she'd see that the baby wouldn't be going to the hands of the devil- infact, we'd be sending it home... to God, who can take much better care of it than we ever could. that's just being argumentative on my part though- so, i'll say this:

it's not up to me or anyone in government to say what a woman can and cannot do with her own body... sticking up for the rights of the "unborn baby"... are you kidding? that "baby" has no idea- again, irrelivant- i say keep it legal within the first trimester. find something else to do with your time than trying to stop it all together- go to the nearest homeless shelter and feed some starving people... take care of the people who are here now- and then when that's taken care of- we'll be able to take care of this... let's worry about our oversized population we have now before we take on some more-

man, i just know y'all are gonna tear this post apart... so, have at it-

 

[Blue-Lightning]

You crack me up... you say it's nobody's business about what people do with their bodies but you are in favor of prosecuting people who murder I bet. You have no basis for your statements - you only say what you think without reason.

Hope you think more rationally about your various positions.

BL

 

[atmosphere]

dude, it's as simple as this- if you murder a man, you go to jail (no death penalty)... because you have hindered that person's ability to live and his/her family's...
abortion (whether it's "murder" or not, doesn't matter) it's that person's body... it sucks i know, but focus on something else... don't worry about what someone wants to do with their own God given body- their judgement will come... if a woman has an abortion (and no one know's about it) it's between her and God. let her make that decision as God has let her. THAT is my point... (within boundaries of course, like the first trimester)
man!

 

[Grace Alone]

Why do you care whether it is within the first trimester? You're saying that the baby doesn't matter because it is dependant on the mother's body and therefore it's up to the mother to choose life or death for her child. According to your line of arguing, it doesn't matter whether it's two months along or nearly fully mature.

 

[Vic C.]

if you murder a man, you go to jail (no death penalty)...

BL, it is really sad and a poor reflection on society when a convicted, cold-blooded murderer has more of a right to life than a innocent unborn child...regardless of how that child was conceived. Makes me want to cry. :

 

[Heidi Mighty Mo]

Yep. So true. In fact, animals have more rights these days than an unborn child.

 

[way2groovy1]

I hope I don't sound harsh here but I have a problem when people say they are prolife except when it is a rape situation. What you are saying is that since it was rape, then the baby isn't worth saving. Rape is a horrible thing but it is not the fault of the resulting baby - which, BTW, is a rather rare occurance in a rape situation.

You are either pro-life or pro-choice, no need to ride the fence. If you are pro-life then you consider the zygote and fetus are human and worthy of living, if you are pro-choice then it is just a hunk of tissue that has no value. If you believe it is human, than it still is human even if the baby is a conceived by rape.

I agree it's not the baby’s fault that the woman got raped; it's the man who did its fault.

There are families out there that can't conceive. If a woman who is raped feels she can't raise the baby then adoption is an excellent option.

I knew a missionary family who while on the mission field the wife was raped by some of the locals. She found out that she was pregnant and decided to keep the baby. They came and visited us at church years ago and the husband was holding the baby. I watched this man hold and love this child who was conceived out the hate of another man. It was beautiful.

 

[Heidi Mighty Mo]

That is awesome! ^ :D

 

[Blue-Lightning]

Where you're going wrong, At, is in thinking that the baby is part of the woman's body. It isn't. It is a separate, unique individual from the point of conception onward.

BL

 

[cubedbee]

Where you're going wrong, At, is in thinking that the baby is part of the woman's body. It isn't. It is a separate, unique individual from the point of conception onward.

BL

This is true. The fetus and the woman are genetically distinct organisms. If you don't believe the fetus is human, you could characterize it as a parasite which the woman has the right to remove, but it cannot be considered just part of her body.