Atheist in a Christian Den.

[jasoncran]

I have a question for the atheist. If monkeys evolved into humans as you say.. Whats stopping the other monkeys form evolving?

natural selection with gene mutations. humans according the toe evolved from a common ancestor of the monkeys.that ancestor by mutation and natural selection evolved into what we have today. theother primates may be on another path of evolution then our ancestors.

now then, read up on the toe., i as a creationist answered that for the athiest.

 

[rrowell]

natural selection with gene mutations. humans according the toe evolved from a common ancestor of the monkeys.that ancestor by mutation and natural selection evolved into what we have today. theother primates may be on another path of evolution then our ancestors.

now then, read up on the toe., i as a creationist answered that for the athiest.

Creationist always demand the Christian "prove" God exists, yet they cannot themselves "prove" evolution :

The impression given in our schools and in the media is that evolution is an established fact of science, and that it is clearly demonstrated in the fossil record. If evolution did happen, then the fossil record should be full of 'evidence'. But Stephen Jay Gloud, Harvard's top evolutionist has admitted: "Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless"
Another evolutionist adds: "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology (the study of fossils) DOES NOT PROVIDE THEM" (Evolution. Vol. 28 (Sept. 1974). p. 467. David B. Kitts 'Paleontology and Evolutionary Theory'). What this means is that living things have remained the same! This agrees with what Christians have believed all along. (Genesis 1:12,21,24)

 

[Tri Unity]

Creationist always demand the Christian "prove" God exists, yet they cannot themselves "prove" evolution.

They not only cannot prove it; they are extremely deceitful and dishonest the way they manipulate data to appear as evidence. Radiometric dating has so many flaws; other forms of dating, such as helium concentrations in the atmosphere, or carbon 14 concentration in the atmosphere, or the decay rate of the magnetic core, is completely ignored if that data contradicts their legacy of lies. It is really pathetic.

 

[Artie]

I have a question for the atheist. If monkeys evolved into humans as you say.. Whats stopping the other monkeys form evolving?

Monkeys didn't evolve into humans. We have common ancestors.

 

[Atothetheist]

They not only cannot prove it; they are extremely deceitful and dishonest the way they manipulate data to appear as evidence. Radiometric dating has so many flaws; other forms of dating, such as helium concentrations in the atmosphere, or carbon 14 concentration in the atmosphere, or the decay rate of the magnetic core, is completely ignored if that data contradicts their legacy of lies. It is really pathetic.

The heck? Let me ask you, since clearly YOU know how whats best.

Do you believe in Micro evolution?

If you do, you must realize that if the earth is billions of years old, and things keep adapting and changing, you will have a totally different animal?

Surely this thought must have cross your mind.

I can provide evidence for evolution, and unlike you, I can scientifically verify it. Your belief still hasn't gotten past the hypothesis stage.

 

[Atothetheist]

Creationist always demand the Christian "prove" God exists, yet they cannot themselves "prove" evolution :

The impression given in our schools and in the media is that evolution is an established fact of science, and that it is clearly demonstrated in the fossil record. If evolution did happen, then the fossil record should be full of 'evidence'. But Stephen Jay Gloud, Harvard's top evolutionist has admitted: "Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless"
Another evolutionist adds: "Evolution requires intermediate forms between species and paleontology (the study of fossils) DOES NOT PROVIDE THEM" (Evolution. Vol. 28 (Sept. 1974). p. 467. David B. Kitts 'Paleontology and Evolutionary Theory'). What this means is that living things have remained the same! This agrees with what Christians have believed all along. (Genesis 1:12,21,24)

Ummm.... You do realize WE have intermediates.... Techincally, every fossil is an intermediate, but if you want, I can show you an upright walking man? Or several other species that are similar.

 

[DarkHorseRising]

They not only cannot prove it; they are extremely deceitful and dishonest the way they manipulate data to appear as evidence. Radiometric dating has so many flaws; other forms of dating, such as helium concentrations in the atmosphere, or carbon 14 concentration in the atmosphere, or the decay rate of the magnetic core, is completely ignored if that data contradicts their legacy of lies. It is really pathetic.

What about observed examples of evolution? There are many well documented ones.

 

[Artie]

They not only cannot prove it; they are extremely deceitful and dishonest the way they manipulate data to appear as evidence. Radiometric dating has so many flaws; other forms of dating, such as helium concentrations in the atmosphere, or carbon 14 concentration in the atmosphere, or the decay rate of the magnetic core, is completely ignored if that data contradicts their legacy of lies. It is really pathetic.

There are many kinds of Creations:

Types of biblical creationism
4.1 Young Earth creationism
4.2 Old Earth creationism
4.2.1 Gap creationism
4.2.2 Day-Age creationism
4.2.3 Progressive creationism
4.3 Neo-Creationism
4.4 Intelligent design
4.5 Creation science
4.6 Theistic evolution (evolutionary creation)
4.7 Modern geocentrism
4.8 Omphalos hypothesis

When you say "they" do you also include all your fellow Christians who believe God used evolution to create? Do you also include the Pope and all the scientists of the Catholic Church? "Pope Benedict has refused to endorse "intelligent design" theories, instead backing "theistic evolution" which considers that God created life through evolution with no clash between religion and science."

"And the Methodist Church? ""We find that science's descriptions of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution are not in conflict with theology." (¶ 160. F. The Book of Discipline 2008)
"The General Conference of The United Methodist Church goes on record as opposing the introduction of any faith-based theories such as Creationism or Intelligent Design into the science curriculum of our public schools." (Resolution 5052 of The Book of Resolutions 2008)"

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[Artie]

What about observed examples of evolution? There are many well documented ones.

Literal belief in the Bible completely depends on the veracity of evolution. There are about 8.7 million species on the Earth today with 6.5 million on land Reuters and to have a viable breeding population in the wild you would need on the average about 4000 of each animal. Minimum viable population. So either Noah packed 34800 million animals on the Ark plus food and water for a year, or there were less animals and those animals evolved to all the species we have today.

 

[rrowell]

The heck? Let me ask you, since clearly YOU know how whats best.

Do you believe in Micro evolution?

If you do, you must realize that if the earth is billions of years old, and things keep adapting and changing, you will have a totally different animal?

Surely this thought must have cross your mind.

I can provide evidence for evolution, and unlike you, I can scientifically verify it. Your belief still hasn't gotten past the hypothesis stage.

Unless you were here a billion years ago you cannot prove anything only suppose.

Evolution claims that man has been on the earth for a million years. The problem is that using population statistics, the universe should be packed with people. Assuming a million year occupation, starting with two people, taking a very conservative growth rate (1/2 percent---the current is 2 percent), a million years of mankind would calculate to a present population of 10 to the 2100 power people (only 10 to the 130 power electrons could be crammed into the entire known universe!) The same figures would arrive at the current population on the planet in 4000 years. It is interesting to note that Jesus placed man and woman 'from the beginning of Creation' (Mark 10:6; Matthew 19:4). Jesus didn't have a 4 billion year gap between the planet and mankind's arrival.

 

[rrowell]

What about observed examples of evolution? There are many well documented ones.

I would love to show me one... not a theory, solid evidence!

 

[rrowell]

There are many kinds of Creations:

When you say "they" do you also include all your fellow Christians who believe God used evolution to create? Do you also include the Pope and all the scientists of the Catholic Church? "Pope Benedict has refused to endorse "intelligent design" theories, instead backing "theistic evolution" which considers that God created life through evolution with no clash between religion and science."

"And the Methodist Church? ""We find that science's descriptions of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution are not in conflict with theology." (¶ 160. F. The Book of Discipline 2008)
"The General Conference of The United Methodist Church goes on record as opposing the introduction of any faith-based theories such as Creationism or Intelligent Design into the science curriculum of our public schools." (Resolution 5052 of The Book of Resolutions 2008)"

Though I do not agree with any of the above, I do believe it is possible that God used methods in his creation that would align with science, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for example, science believes it was possibly destroyed by meteorites... So what? A God that could create a universe could surly use a meteorite to do his work...

Everything science cannot solve proves Gods existence, any scientist that says everything can be explained by science is missing out on a scientific achievement award LoL...

 

[rrowell]

Literal belief in the Bible completely depends on the veracity of evolution. There are about 8.7 million species on the Earth today with 6.5 million on land Reuters and to have a viable breeding population in the wild you would need on the average about 4000 of each animal. Minimum viable population. So either Noah packed 34800 million animals on the Ark plus food and water for a year, or there were less animals and those animals evolved to all the species we have today.

Nothing is impossible with God, but much is impossible with science they have so many obsticles.

The most universal laws of science are the first and second law of thermodynamics. "As far as we know, all changes are in the direction of increasing entropy, of increasing disorder, of increasing randomness, or running down" (Isaac Asimov. 1973). This is the second law, all systems are in the process of running down, decaying, growing old, moving from order to disorder. The Bible agrees (Hebrews 1:11-12). But evolution has everything moving 'upward', not downward:
"One problem biologists have faced is the apparent contradiction by evolution of the second law of thermodynamics. Systems should decay through time, giving less, NOT MORE ORDER" ("A Downward Slope to Greater Diversity". Science. Vol. 217 (Sept. 24, 1982). p. 1239 Roger Lewin)

 

[Artie]

Though I do not agree with any of the above, I do believe it is possible that God used methods in his creation that would align with science, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for example, science believes it was possibly destroyed by meteorites... So what? A God that could create a universe could surly use a meteorite to do his work...

Or a meteorite could land all by itself without divine intervention.

Everything science cannot solve proves Gods existence,

Nonsense. Why? And if so why not any other deity such as Allah or Brahma?

 

[Artie]

The most universal laws of science are the first and second law of thermodynamics. "As far as we know, all changes are in the direction of increasing entropy, of increasing disorder, of increasing randomness, or running down" (Isaac Asimov. 1973). This is the second law, all systems are in the process of running down, decaying, growing old, moving from order to disorder. The Bible agrees (Hebrews 1:11-12). But evolution has everything moving 'upward', not downward:
"One problem biologists have faced is the apparent contradiction by evolution of the second law of thermodynamics. Systems should decay through time, giving less, NOT MORE ORDER" ("A Downward Slope to Greater Diversity". Science. Vol. 217 (Sept. 24, 1982). p. 1239 Roger Lewin)

What in the world does this have to do with what I wrote? Let's take it one more time shall we: "There are about 8.7 million species on the Earth today with 6.5 million on land and to have a viable breeding population in the wild you would need on the average about 4000 of each animal. So either Noah packed 34800 million animals on the Ark plus food and water for a year, or there were less animals and those animals evolved to all the species we have today." Could you address this in a logical and reasonable manner instead of just saying "Nothing is impossible with God?" I can reduce the numbers if you like and include only land animals. That would be only 26000 million.

 

[rrowell]

Or a meteorite could land all by itself without divine intervention.Nonsense. Why? And if so why not any other deity such as Allah or Brahma?

Exactly, something besides science is the creator, science can only try to explain it:

"science". Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. Merriam-Webster, Inc. Retrieved 2011-10-16. "3 a: knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b: such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena"

So there is a God and he even loves you :biglol

 

[rrowell]

What in the world does this have to do with what I wrote? Let's take it one more time shall we: "There are about 8.7 million species on the Earth today with 6.5 million on land and to have a viable breeding population in the wild you would need on the average about 4000 of each animal. So either Noah packed 34800 million animals on the Ark plus food and water for a year, or there were less animals and those animals evolved to all the species we have today." Could you address this in a logical and reasonable manner instead of just saying "Nothing is impossible with God?" I can reduce the numbers if you like and include only land animals. That would be only 26000 million.

LoL... your killing me man

Ill post this again:

Evolution claims that man has been on the earth for a million years. The problem is that using population statistics, the universe should be packed with people. Assuming a million year occupation, starting with two people, taking a very conservative growth rate (1/2 percent---the current is 2 percent), a million years of mankind would calculate to a present population of 10 to the 2100 power people (only 10 to the 130 power electrons could be crammed into the entire known universe!) The same figures would arrive at the current population on the planet in 4000 years. It is interesting to note that Jesus placed man and woman 'from the beginning of Creation' (Mark 10:6; Matthew 19:4). Jesus didn't have a 4 billion year gap between the planet and mankind's arrival.

Using your million year methods, we should have evolved to the rate we would not have room to breath... and you wonder about the capacity of a boat?

Science couldn't do it, only a God could make it work...

Science will always paint themselves into a corner... always...

 

[Artie]

So there is a God and he even loves you :biglol

Where?

 

[Artie]

Using your million year methods, we should have evolved to the rate we would not have room to breath... and you wonder about the capacity of a boat?

Yes, if the Bible is true how do you get 26000 million animals on the Ark and if there were fewer animals how did we get to 6.5 million species of land animals except for evolution?

 

[BornAgain]

Yes, if the Bible is true how do you get 26000 million animals on the Ark and if there were fewer animals how did we get to 6.5 million species of land animals except for evolution?

I have to jump in here. I was explaining this to my 6 year old granddaughter the other day....

Creation of heaven and earth​

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. ​

Gen 1:1 (KJV)

Creation of the light​

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light​

Gen 1:3 (KJV)

Creation of the firmament​

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters​

Gen 1:6 (KJV)

The earth separated from the waters​

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so​

Gen 1:9 (KJV)

Creation of the sun, moon and stars​

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: ​

Gen 1:14 (KJV)

Creation of fish, fowl, beasts and cattle ​

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. ​

Gen 1:20 (KJV)

Creation man in the image of God​

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ​

Gen 1:26 (KJV)

Provision for food​

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat​

Gen 1:29 (KJV)


Then we sang that song: Jesus Loves me yes He does, cuz the Bible tells me so. She didn't have any problems understanding this....



God made it simple for the believer to understand and we try to complicate it...


This is meant to be respectful to show how simple it can be explained.