BELIEVE.....God's Prophets !

[Oscar3]

No we speak though prayer and through his word, but I Seem to recall you saying once that God spoke to you with a loud voice come from Heaven. It could have been someone else, that is why I asked.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

No we speak though prayer and through his word, but I Seem to recall you saying once that God spoke to you with a loud voice come from Heaven. It could have been someone else, that is why I asked.

I have a very strong, very supernatural, and very intimate relationship with the Lord. He has taken me through some of the darkest, ugliest, most unimaginable things that the world has to offer. because of that, I have experienced the power of God in my life that most Christians have not experienced. He has done things in my life that most Christians, even though they were to see in Scripture that God does such things, would not believe it. He speaks to me in ways that most people would never understand.

To be where I am, you must go through what I have gone through.

My relationship with the Lord needs no evaluation. Especially the sort of evaluation that is usually dished out. Simply continue keeping me on your 'suspicious' list, Oscar.

 

[Oscar3]

I have a very strong, very supernatural, and very intimate relationship with the Lord. He has taken me through some of the darkest, ugliest, most unimaginable things that the world has to offer. because of that, I have experienced the power of God in my life that most Christians have not experienced. He has done things in my life that most Christians, even though they were to see in Scripture that God does such things, would not believe it. He speaks to me in ways that most people would never understand.

To be where I am, you must go through what I have gone through.

My relationship with the Lord needs no evaluation. Especially the sort of evaluation that is usually dished out. Simply continue keeping me on your 'suspicious' list, Oscar.

Gabby
While I find you a little strange, well maybe alot strange, I consider you to be a sister in Christ. I was simply asking.

 

[mutzrein]

Anyone got any comments about the prophet of God in 1 Kings 13 who after delivering the message God gave to him, then disobeyed God himself?

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Anyone got any comments about the prophet of God in 1 Kings 13 who after delivering the message God gave to him, then disobeyed God himself?

The first thing I notice is that we never know his name.

As far as his outright disobedience...that puts him in the same boat as Moses, David, Peter...

Then there is the fact that he is human. He can be deceived. It says a lot about the high cost of disobedience. It says that if an old prophet can blow it, anybody can.

Any record of the jerk that led him astray?

1Ki 13:18 He said unto him, I [am] a prophet also as thou [art]; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. [But] he lied unto him.

 

[mutzrein]

The first thing I notice is that we never know his name.

As far as his outright disobedience...that puts him in the same boat as Moses, David, Peter...

Then there is the fact that he is human. He can be deceived. It says a lot about the high cost of disobedience. It says that if an old prophet can blow it, anybody can.

Any record of the jerk that led him astray?

1Ki 13:18 He said unto him, I [am] a prophet also as thou [art]; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. [But] he lied unto him.

I agree entirely Gabby. Men (and prophets) of God have always been human. And that is the nature of the flesh which we wrestle against. But it does not lessen in any way the fact that they were / are indeed men of God, raised up by God for the purpose of delivering the message He has given them. Do they fail? Are they human? Of course. But no less potent is the message that God gave them.

As far as the jerk is concerned, by virtue of the fact that he was an 'old' prophet, must tell us that the other was younger and therefore probably more easily persuaded against a wiser choice.

And therein lies a lesson.

 

[Oscar3]

18 He said to him, "I too am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord, saying, Bring him back with you to your house, that he may eat bread and drink water. " (He was lying to him.)


13:12 The prophet was clearly an apostate. He had not spoken against Jeroboam; instead, he boldly lied to the Lord's true prophet.

13:19 went back with him: The man of God had withstood Jeroboam's attempt to save face by having the prophet stay with him (v. 7), yet now the prophet failed to discern the deception and plainly violated God's clear instructions (v. 9). The prophet would pay a terrible price for his disobedience (v. 24).

13:20 Whatever his motives were for bringing the man of God to his house, the aged prophet now received a true word from God. He realized too late his awful part in the condemnation of the man of God. The divine sentence (v. 22) would be speedily executed (v. 24).

13:24 The way the lion stood by both the man of God and his donkey shows that the lion did not kill for food but was God's executioner (see vv. 25, 26, 28).

13:29 The old prophet was brought back to biblical faith at the sight of the death of the true prophet from Judah. The true but disobedient prophet had paid a terrible price for his disobedience to what he knew to be the word of God (vv. 20).

13:32 the saying will surely come to pass: This confession proclaims renewal of faith in God's word by the prophet who had become deceitful. The mercy of God is at His disposal! The Lord had healed the hand of Jeroboam (v. 6) because of His mercy, and the Lord restored the faith of the deceitful prophet because of His mercy as well.

 

[mutzrein]

Is the above your own work Oscar?

 

[Oscar3]

Is the above your own work Oscar?

Mut
No. I am sorry I forgot to put the source.
That is a commentary writen by Chuck Smith

 

[Jay T]

Anyone got any comments about the prophet of God in 1 Kings 13 who after delivering the message God gave to him, then disobeyed God himself?

And what about Balaam ?

A prophet of God's, that found a way to betray God's people into committing sin, so that they could be overcome, by the enemy !

And, then there is the Prophet Hosea, who God told, to marry a Harlot !

 

[Oscar3]

And what about Balaam ?

A prophet of God's, that found a way to betray God's people into committing sin, so that they could be overcome, by the enemy !

And, then there is the Prophet Hosea, who God told, to marry a Harlot !

Never in all my years have I seen someone take so much scripture out of context like you Jay T.
You do the very same thing the devil does.

42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

 

[scorpia]

This predicts that God's last day prophet(s)....will be rejected, just as Noah was in his day.......just before Jesus Christ, comes again.

Which brings up another Bible verse, the Christian world, wants to ignore......
'satan, which deceives the whole world', (Revelation 12:9).

Truly, men will still continue to reject God's messages to the whole world until His second coming and this is all because of the emergence of the bible which many see as the only source and final authority in all TRUTH about God - God's substitute in the perception of many people.

Pople believe that the bible is the best antidote for Satan who without their knowledge continues to use the bible as a simple tool in drawing people away from the true, alive and real God who does exist in His own ways. We must all realize that it is only the Lord God (not the bible) whom we all must call on and come to if we really want not ourselves to be deceived by satan and his devil.

 

[mutzrein]

Never in all my years have I seen someone take so much scripture out of context like you Jay T.
You do the very same thing the devil does.

And what was out of context with that Oscar? Just examples of people that God has chosen to convey a message.

 

[Jay T]

Pople believe that the bible is the best antidote for Satan who without their knowledge continues to use the bible as a simple tool in drawing people away from the true, alive and real God who does exist in His own ways.

Not for nothing does God tell us the satan, has and will, come to deceive the Christian world......
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

An example of this.....

It is the cunning of Satan that the death of Christ brought in grace to take the place of the law.

The death of Jesus did not change or annul or lessen in the slightest degree the law of Ten Commandments (Matthew 5:17,18).

That precious grace offered to men through a Saviour's blood establishes the law of God.
Since the fall of man, God's moral government and His grace are inseparable.

They go hand in hand through all dispensations.
"Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other" (Psalm 85:10).

Jesus, our Substitute, consented to bear for man the penalty of the law transgressed. He clothed His divinity with humanity and thus became the Son of man, a Saviour and Redeemer.

The very fact of the death of God's dear Son to redeem man shows the immutability of the divine law. How easily, from the transgressor's standpoint, could God have abolished His law, thus providing a way whereby men could be saved and Christ remain in heaven!

The doctrine which teaches freedom, through grace, to break the law is a fatal delusion......
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon (satan) was wroth (angry) with the woman (church), and went to make WAR with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

We must all realize that it is only the Lord God (not the bible) whom we all must call on and come to if we really want not ourselves to be deceived by satan and his devil.[/color]

But, as Jesus Christ proved (Matthew 4:4).....the word of God, the Bible, is the weapon of choice, to defeat satan.

 

[scorpia]

But, as Jesus Christ proved (Matthew 4:4).....the word of God, the Bible, is the weapon of choice, to defeat satan.

Exactly, people are being drawn nigh to the bible instead of to the true, real, alive Lord God who exists in His own ways. The simple test here is this: is the bible the Lord God? If not, then let us draw ourselves nigh to the true God and rid ouselves off with anything and anyone that is and who is not God, be it the bible or the man pastors of today.

 

[Vic C.]

You continue to violate our ToS, which states:

1 - This is a Christian site, therefore, any attempt to put down Christianity and the basic tenets of our Faith will be considered a hostile act.

This includes disregarding our Statement of Faith, which says:

The bible is the inspired, infallible, and only authoritative Word of God.

Thi is in accordance with:

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Jay T]

Exactly, people are being drawn nigh to the bible instead of to the true, real, alive Lord God who exists in His own ways.

Apart from the Bible....there CANNOT BE any true knowledge of God !

God's thoughts and ways are revealed in the BIble....
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

SO....without the Bible teling us what God's thoughts and ways are.....NO ONE can know what God is like, and how He relates to mankind.

The Bible is the ONLY SOURCE available to mankind, as to who God is, and what His wants are, for the betterment of mankind.

Prophecy PROVES the Bible to being True and accurate......

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

The rise and fall of nations in world history, was foretold hundreds of years before....the events happened.
Daniel, chapters 2,7,8,9,12.
Revelation, Chapter 13 tells of the rise of the United States of America, ect.

The prophecies of the Messiah (Daniekl 9:24-27)...to come and die.
Isaiah, chapter 53, tells also of Christ's mission and death on the cross.
Prophecies made hundredfs of years in advance of the event, which happened later.

The simple test here is this: is the bible the Lord God? If not, then let us draw ourselves nigh to the true God and rid ouselves off with anything and anyone that is and who is not God, be it the bible or the man pastors of today.

Listening to ANY man can be DANGEROUS !
The Bible says NOT to put your trust in man.

The Bible test, as to who has the truth is found in......
Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them".
EVERY man's teachings are to go up against this test.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Take your pick.

Acts 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

Put these on your list too.

Act 15:32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed [them].

 

[mutzrein]

Put these on your list too.

Act 15:32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed [them].

Yes isn't it strange that some want to believe that prophets disappeared when Jesus ascended to the Father.

Prophets were obviously men / women called by God to direct His own people. Have there been some false ones? Yes. Have even true ones erred? Of course. But that doesn't negate the legitimacy of those whom God has called to fulfill his bidding. As it was in the days of Noah - so it will be in these last days.

 

[scorpia]

Apart from the Bible....there CANNOT BE any true knowledge of God !

How about the true, alive and real God himself who does exist in His own ways, can't we get from Him the true knowledge of God? Remember that Paul did get knowledge and wisdom of God from Jesus himself, the true, real and alive God. Are you discounting the possibility that Jesus himself may impart to us today the true knowledge of God? I do believe that the bible is a testimony for us that there is really God but getting wisdom and knowledge of God is only possible through Jesus himself.

[quote:a801d]God's thoughts and ways are revealed in the BIble....
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

SO....without the Bible teling us what God's thoughts and ways are.....NO ONE can know what God is like, and how He relates to mankind.

Use those verses as your guide in coming to God, treat them as proofs that God exists in His own ways for you to call on and to come to Him so that you may get from Him the wisdoms of God that you need in your life and in attining your own salvation and eternal life. In this way, you have shown God that you worship Him in the right way and Him only is the One who you do trust in your life.

The Bible is the ONLY SOURCE available to mankind, as to who God is, and what His wants are, for the betterment of mankind.

Not disarding and downgrading the bible, have fear in God for GOD, alone, is the ONLY SOURCE available to mankind, as to who God is, and what His wants are, for the betterment of mankind. The bible is our guide that tells us to come directly to God if we want to know who God is and if we want salvation and eternal life. Try to properly weigh these things that we must consider in realizing the true faith in God.

Prophecy PROVES the Bible to being True and accurate......

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

Be though as it may, still we have to call on and come to God so that God himself will be the One to confirm such things (truth about the bible) to us and not just our fellow men and our own thoughts.

The rise and fall of nations in world history, was foretold hundreds of years before....the events happened.
Daniel, chapters 2,7,8,9,12.
Revelation, Chapter 13 tells of the rise of the United States of America, ect.

The prophecies of the Messiah (Daniekl 9:24-27)...to come and die.
Isaiah, chapter 53, tells also of Christ's mission and death on the cross.
Prophecies made hundredfs of years in advance of the event, which happened later.

And the One behind these things is God himself, so what's the big deal if we put our trust and confidence in God instead of putting same on our own understanding of what is written in the scripture?

Listening to ANY man can be DANGEROUS !

Unless that any man is drawing us nigh from God, indeed it is dangerous to listen to any man,

The Bible says NOT to put your trust in man.

And so is God in reality hence I'm saying put all your trust and confidence only to God the Almighty.

The Bible test, as to who has the truth is found in......
Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them".
EVERY man's teachings are to go up against this test.

[/quote:a801d]

It is impossible for you to know the real meaning of the verse that you cited here unless you found yourself under the direct tutelage of the Lord God. Most denominations use that verse to put a clear distinction between the speaker and the listeners as to who is really who in the sight of God but without them knowing it, it is purely based on postulation.