Believe in God, you will be saved

[eddif]

The baptism of John was for the forgiveness of sins.
The baptism of Jesus is surely for power in the Holy Spirit.
We do learn, however, that when we are baptized our sins are forgiven up to that point.
And then, as time goes by, and sins do happen, we ask God for forgiveness and continue on our way.



I agree that some persons notice nothing in life and it just passes them by.
But biblically speaking, Romans does state that God can be known by the creation around us that is visible.
Definitely preaching is a much better way to get to know about God and to get to know God.


I agree with the above till the last sentence.
There are Christians that have left the faith. We are warned against this in scripture.
Then some will say that they were never saved to begin with...
Hate for this to turn into a OSAS discussion, but I'm willing if it's necessary.

I just think this belief system is dangerous to a believer.
Romans 2:6 God will render to each man according to his deeds.

Romans 2:7 Those who by perseverance by doing good, eternal life.

Romans 2:8 To those who do not obey the truth, wrath and indignation.


I've heard Charles Stanley state that anyone can commit any sin and still be saved.
This is not a biblical teaching.

If one believes in Jesus, they have moved from the baptism of John the Baptist to believing in the one who came after John (Jesus).

We start out without belief in God. All sorts of creation hints around us, but we may be unaware of them. Our mind can be unaware of God.
The preaching of the knowledge of God is one of the items in
Hebrews 6.
Knowledge of God is progressive and referred to as foundations. Once you have made it to Jesus it is impossible to backtrack to repentance. I have posted this before. Repentance comes before acceptance of Jesus, but can @wondering

wondering
The wording was supposed to be return to repentance. Awful mistake.

You phrased it correctly. We can’t stop at repentance it is worse than that.

Hebrews 6:4 kjv
4.For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

eddif

 

[The Gallant Saint]

I do believe you've nailed it.

We do hear this idea that we are righteous by proxy.
Not only that, I hear that our works are filthy rags to God...alluding to Isaiah 64:6 .

This is really a silly idea since Jesus did nothing but preach about how we are to do good works.

So I believe you're on a good mission.
There are many here that agree with us.

I think we're on the same page.

BTW the "sole fide" believers always quote Isaiah 64:6 out of context. The preceding verse is (with emphasis):

5 You meet him who rejoices in doing righteousness,
Who remembers You in Your ways.
Behold, You were angry, for we sinned,
We continued in our sins for a long time;
Yet shall we be saved?

If someone is continually sinful in some area, all the righteous deeds of that person in other areas count for nothing. They're basically fake, according to God. Fake righteousness.

 

[eddif]

I do believe you've nailed it.

We do hear this idea that we are righteous by proxy.
Not only that, I hear that our works are filthy rags to God...alluding to Isaiah 64:6 .

This is really a silly idea since Jesus did nothing but preach about how we are to do good works.

So I believe you're on a good mission.
There are many here that agree with us.

Proxy is not a word I use regularly.

1 Peter 2:24 kjv
24. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Sounds like proxy to me.

eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

wondering
The wording was supposed to be return to repentance. Awful mistake.

You phrased it correctly. We can’t stop at repentance it is worse than that.

Hebrews 6:4 kjv
4.For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

eddif

Hebrews 6 was written specifically for the Jews that had trusted in the Messiah, and were having second thoughts of maybe returning to the Law.

If we are sorry for our sin, it will be forgiven.
If we walk away from God and become unsaved, He will always welcome us back.
As the father did in the parable of the Prodigal Son which Jesus told.

I trust Jesus more than the person that wrote Hebrews - whoever that was.

 

[GodsGrace]

I think we're on the same page.

BTW the "sole fide" believers always quote Isaiah 64:6 out of context. The preceding verse is (with emphasis):

5 You meet him who rejoices in doing righteousness,
Who remembers You in Your ways.
Behold, You were angry, for we sinned,
We continued in our sins for a long time;
Yet shall we be saved?

If someone is continually sinful in some area, all the righteous deeds of that person in other areas count for nothing. They're basically fake, according to God. Fake righteousness.

I agree that Isaiah 64:6 is taken out of context.
Just one sentence is referred to and not the entire content...very bad hermeneutics.

As to being sinful in one area...I'd have to say that the evil one does know of our weaknesses and will dwell on those to divert us from our walk.

If we are endeavering to be free from that sin, then I do believe God takes that into account.
IOW, we cannot mock God.

 

[eddif]

Hebrews 6 was written specifically for the Jews that had trusted in the Messiah, and were having second thoughts of maybe returning to the Law.

If we are sorry for our sin, it will be forgiven.
If we walk away from God and become unsaved, He will always welcome us back.
As the father did in the parable of the Prodigal Son which Jesus told.

I trust Jesus more than the person that wrote Hebrews - whoever that was.

Romans 11:15 kjv
15, For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16. For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump isalso holy: and if the root be holy, so arethe branches.
17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

eddif

 

[eddif]

Romans 11:15 kjv
15, For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16. For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump isalso holy: and if the root be holy, so arethe branches.
17. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18. Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

eddif

Touch screens do what you touch, even I it is an accident.
(Early post)

What effects the Jew can be a warning to a gentile.

The one new man of Jew and gentile exists now.

The unity exists now
The slight differences exists now
Both are in Christ Jesus

Ephesians helps understand the one new man.

eddif

 

[gordon777]

Hebrews and all the scriptures give one message, and it is success or failure.

What brings forth herbs meet for God ( for whom it is dressed) receives blessing from God. ( We have to be meet/purged for the masters use. 2 Timothy 2:21.) But what bears thorns and briers ( to God) is rejected, and is cursed, and the end is to be burned. ( The cursed children cannot cease from sin. 2 Peter 2:14.)

But, there is better things of the ones who do not bear thorns to God, which are things that accompany salvation.

Those who do offences to others, commit iniquity against others ( they also offend the Lord God) shall be cast into the furnace of fire, then there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.





Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Hebrews 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.







It is therefore entirely in ignorance to not acknowledge fully, how these warning in the scriptures are not for the Jews, but are fully for the ones who say they are a Christian believer.

The testimony was always for the Gentiles, the Jews to this day reject.

But, now the perilous times came, when men are lovers of their own selves, and all having a form of godliness but who cannot acknowledge that we cease to sin, when we believe in the rising of Jesus Christ from that dead ( dead to sin).

We draw near to God in a full assurance of faith, when our hearts are sprinkled from an evil conscience,, and our bodies washed in pure water ( the water out of the belly of Jesus Christ in pure faith.)

Vain walkers, speaking great swelling words wont cease, until they are ceased, but the testimony will help to ensure that, ( which is why I share it.)

Now we hold fast that profession of faith WITHOUT WAVERING.

The just live by faith, and the unjust draw back to perdition, but we cannot be of those who draw back, but have to be of those who instead believe to the only way, for the saving of the soul. ( the way of righteousness.)





Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.




Then for all those who cannot acknowledge to have ceased from sin ( 1 Peter 4:1-2.) They are entangled again, ( in committing sins against others.)

It was better for them ( to the Gentiles as always.) to not have known the way of RIGHTEOUSNESS, than to turn from the Holy commandment ( to love your neighbour as ourselves)




2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[The Gallant Saint]

If we are endeavering to be free from that sin, then I do believe God takes that into account.

100% - the parable of the talents.

 

[gordon777]

"If we are endeavering to be free from that sin, then I do believe God takes that into account."



Nobody can endeavour ( try to achieve something, try for a goal) in the Lord Jesus Christ ( that is the wisdom of men of this world)

It is also the example of Israel to the world, of trying to establish their own righteousness, when Christ is the end of that, for righteousness. Romans 10;3-4.

Romans 10 tells of the righteousness which is of faith.

The word of faith that is preached to us, so we believe in our heart that God raised Jesus Christ our Lord from the dead, and with the heart man can believe unto that righteousness.




Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



Romans 3, speaks first of the propitiation ( forgiveness of our sons for us to be saved) through the forbearance of God.

This is why Ephesians 4 speaks of man beseeched to walk worthy of the Lord, with meekness, lowliness, longsuffering ( forbearing one another in love, the love of God if that is shed into our hearts through belief in thew rising of Christ from the dead to life)

The endeavouring is keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace ( which is believing in the unity of the faith unto Jesus Christ the perfect man.)



Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Ephesians 4:1 therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:






This is to put on, as the elect of God, mercies, kindness, humbleness, meekness, longsuffering, so we can forbear one another, and above all of those things to put n charity, the bond of perfectness, it is letting God ( through believing unto righteousness in our heart of the rising of Christ from the dead) rule in our heart, knowing we are called in one body ( endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace/it is faith in Jesus Christ.)





Colossians 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

 

[gordon777]

The parable of the talents can now be better seen, those who do not believe in the rising of Jesus Christ, try to achieve a goal, fail at times, and consider they did OK at times, they are as Israel who go about to establish their own righteousness, without believing in the rising of Jesus Christ from the dead.

Those who have kept the Spirit of unity in the bond of peace, are believers in Jesus Christ in the heart, they are faithful in he least to be faithful in much, because the ones who are unjust in the least, are unjust also in much. ( the ones who gained nothing after being given the talent.)





Luke 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

Luke 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.


Matthew 25;20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

 

[eddif]

The parable of the talents can now be better seen, those who do not believe in the rising of Jesus Christ, try to achieve a goal, fail at times, and consider they did OK at times, they are as Israel who go about to establish their own righteousness, without believing in the rising of Jesus Christ from the dead.

Those who have kept the Spirit of unity in the bond of peace, are believers in Jesus Christ in the heart, they are faithful in he least to be faithful in much, because the ones who are unjust in the least, are unjust also in much. ( the ones who gained nothing after being given the talent.)





Luke 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

Luke 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.


Matthew 25;20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Are you saying the following?

Philippians 2:13 kjv
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

God gives the faith, the talents, the strength. He is the reason we do the right thing.

eddif

 

[Cooper]

The parable of the talents can now be better seen, those who do not believe in the rising of Jesus Christ, try to achieve a goal, fail at times, and consider they did OK at times, they are as Israel who go about to establish their own righteousness, without believing in the rising of Jesus Christ from the dead.

Those who have kept the Spirit of unity in the bond of peace, are believers in Jesus Christ in the heart, they are faithful in he least to be faithful in much, because the ones who are unjust in the least, are unjust also in much. ( the ones who gained nothing after being given the talent.)





Luke 16:10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

Luke 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.


Matthew 25;20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

What is wrong in following Jesus all the days of our lives and taking Him at his word?
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[gordon777]

It is clear who believes in their heart that Jesus Christ is alive from the dead, their words and understanding is of life, in fact they do not inhabit forums all their lives, the forums are the place of the vain speakers, where else can they dwell, to seduce others with good words and fair speeches as predators.

( everyone can read the below testimonies/warnings, that the wolves are around for their evil purposes.)




Ezekiel 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

 

[gordon777]

Those seducers do not bother me, in fact I am more than happy to answer the words anyone claims, with what I follow after.

This is the Godly love forum, and it is not growth, is is to be filled with all the fulness of God, in full assurance of faith.

Just one syllable from anyone on the forum, reveals instantaneously what they believe in, if they deny themselves they confess Christ, if their interest in in their own selves, they cannot hide it.




Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.



1 Timothy 5:24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.


2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

 

[gordon777]

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[eddif]

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Do you have a group of scriptures to identify the good guys?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Cooper]

Do you have a group of scriptures to identify the good guys?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Good question.
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[Jason_hoovah]

Jesus clearly teaches in John 3:16 that He will save anyone who believes in Him: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish. lost but have eternal life…”. The word “who” includes you and everyone in this world. fruits of the spirit wall art

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The Bible says that, if salvation is based on our individual efforts, no one can save "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" - Romans 3: 23. Psalm 143:2 adds that “there is no one righteous before him.” Romans further affirm “there is no one righteous, even if one is not.”
We cannot save ourselves. Instead, we are saved when we trust Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8:9 teaches that “by grace, you have saved me by faith; results of work, so no one can be proud”. We are saved by the grace of God, and grace in its own right is unearned. We are not worthy of salvation; we simply receive it by faith.
The grace of God is sufficient to cover all sins - Romans 5:20. The Bible is also filled with examples of people being saved from the background of their sinful past. The Apostle Paul wrote to Christians who had previously lived in many of their sinful circumstances. The apostle Paul wrote to Christians who had previously lived in various sinful circumstances, including fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, theft, covetousness, and drunk. But Paul told them that, by salvation, “You were baptized, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit. of our God" - 1 Corinthians 6:9:11.
The Apostle Paul was formerly a persecutor of Christians, he approved of Stephen's death - Acts 8:1 and arrested Christians and threw them in prison - Acts of the Apostles 8:3. He later wrote, “Although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and a tyrant, I received mercy because I acted thus when I did not understand and believe But God's grace has been poured out upon me, along with faith and love in Jesus Christ. Here is the word that is trustworthy and worthy of acceptance by all: Jesus Christ. I have come into the world to save sinners, of whom I am first.” - I Timothy 1:13-15.
God often chooses to save those who seem unworthy to serve His purposes. He saved a criminal on the cross with only a few minutes left to live - Luke 23:42-43, a persecutor of the church (Paul), a fisherman who denied Christ (Peter), a Roman soldier and his family - Acts 10, a runaway slave (Onesimus in Philemon), and many others. There is no one beyond His ability to be saved - Isaiah 50:2. We need to respond in faith and receive His gift of eternal life.
Who will be saved? One thing is for sure - you can, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior! If you are not sure if you have accepted Jesus as your Savior, you can respond now with a prayer like this:
“Lord, I realized that I am still a sinner and cannot get to heaven by my own merits. I now put my faith in Jesus as the Son of God that He died for my sins and rose from the dead to give me eternal life. Please forgive me for my sins and help me to live for You. I thank You for accepting me and giving me eternal life.”

Should not perish. If you blasphemy the holy ghost you will lose your salvation because you are going against the spirit you accepted in order to save you and it is an unforgivable sin. God loved the world when it was a good and perfect place. Jesus died in order for a perfect world to be restored and save as many as possible.

 

[eddif]

Should not perish. If you blasphemy the holy ghost you will lose your salvation because you are going against the spirit you accepted in order to save you and it is an unforgivable sin. God loved the world when it was a good and perfect place. Jesus died in order for a perfect world to be restored and save as many as possible.

Well?
The original creation was very good. But perfect?

There was a tree no one was to eat from.
A serpent that carried Satan’s lies.

I think perfection comes at the last trump when we are changed.

Things got better at Pentecost, but still maybe not perfect.

There is one name for salvation, and I think it is Jesus.

Straighten me out.

eddif